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Madara Uchiha: The man off to war with the world. The deceiving, lying, evil man who will stop at nothing to achieve his goal.

Heres the thing though: The "Madara" im talking about, isnt actually Madara. Not completely at least.

Over time there have been countless theories about who Toby really is. Some have been acceptable, others have been flat out retarded (Obito; I mean come on guys, HOW IS HE OBITO IF HALF OBITOS FACE WAS CRUSHED AND YET WE CLEARLY SEE AN UNCRUSHED FACE ON TOBY!). Achem. Sorry bout that. Now then...

I have no intention of giving any said opinion on who Toby truly is, because quite frankly I don't have an opinion on who he is. What I do know however is that whoever Toby is, he isn't Madara Uchiha, or again, at least not completely. And to prove this, I have put together this little number to back me up. *Game show music plays*


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Madara ALWAYS has his right Sharingan activated (and possibly his left, but its covered by his mask). Now, even though its been said that Madara has incredible chakra, NO ONE can have a NATURAL Sharingan remain activated for ONE HUNDRED PLUS YEARS. This leads to the conclusion that the Sharingan MUST have been transplanted thus remaining active, not so different from Kakashi.


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I know im not the only one who hasnt noticed that white shit that oozes out of Madara's arm here. Very similar to Zetsu infact. Need more proof on this one? Watch the anime.


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Wow. Look at that face. Yup. Thats a full face right there. Nothing wrong with it. Nothing at all.

Question: Why wear a mask if nothings wrong with your face Madara?
Answer: HES NOT MADARA


4)

So. Heres the story. Madara Uchiha co-founded the leaf alongside Hashirama Senju, two descendants of the legendary Sage of the 6 Paths. Madara despised Senju, and tried to get the other Uchiha to revolt against him when Senju was appointed the first Hokage. The Uchiha turned their backs on Madara, who then fled only to return later to fight Senju at the valley of the end, where Madara supposedly died, but really didnt.

This all happened at least 100 years ago, and yet Madara is still alive EVEN after being mortally injured by Hashirama. Now I have no problem believing this, Madara was known to have powerful chakras, however the story gets a bit unbelievable when you consider this: Madara and Hashirama were both VERY powerful ninja. Hashirama is arguably more powerful than Madara himself even, considering if he wasnt the battle between them would have gone down differently.

SO, why is it that Madara is the only one of the two who is still alive? If Hashirama truly was as legendary as they say, and yet Madara Uchiha still lives, shouldn't Hashirama still be alive as well? Ya? ...I thought so too.


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This one stems from #4. Madara is at least 150 when you consider how old he was when they say he died, which was 100 years ago (or so). So why the hell does a ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY year old have only THREE WRINKLE LINES UNDER HIS EYE??? Even Tsunade, whos FIFTY looks like she's an withered up old hag when it was shown what she really looked like during the pain arc.


6)

Zetsu:

Why is it, that even after Madara declares himself as Madara to the WHOLE WORLD that Zetsu is the ONLY person (if you can call him that) to still call him Toby? Didn't Madara say something like he created Zetsu? Wouldn't that mean that Zetsu knows his true identity? Well, one things for sure... Zetsu supports me and my claim that Toby is not really Madara.

7)

The Mystery Coffin:

Madara really shouldn't have ANYTHING to fear, should he? He has almost all the Bijuu, hes going to war, he has a nice army with him, he has a cool new mask, and he somehow is able to break the laws of physics by being alive. Yup. Life sure is a breeze when your immortal and have NOTHING to fear. Oh wait...

Now if Toby truly was Madara, WHY ON HIS MIND-CONTROLLED EARTH WOULD HE BE AFRAID OF A DEAD PERSON IN A COFFIN???

People have said that inside this coffin is the Sage of 6 Paths: This cant be true because if it was true Madara wouldnt be fighting a war against the world, he'd be fighting a war with Kabuto to get DNA samples of the SO6P. People have also said that its Izuna, Madara's brother whos in the coffin. Well this doesn't make ANY sense at all if Toby was Madara, because if it was Izuna WHY would Madara be afraid? He already has his brothers eyes, and what would his brother say? "Don't worry everyone! This man IS in fact Madara, so you can put ALL your conspiracy theories behind you!"... not likely.

The only explanation on WHOEVER is inside that coffin is that Toby is CLEARLY NOT MADARA.


8)

Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan:

Its been established quite clearly that Madara has the EMS. What HASNT been established yet however is if TOBY has the EMS. Now then, heres a few fun things to think about:

Toby always appears to have his trusty pair of Sharingan activated. CLEARLY he has the chakra to maintain these eyes constantly; so why not just have your EMS constantly activated? I mean, its not like their gonna damage your vision.


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We see here that Madara has two Sharingan. Moments later we see one of those precious eyes forever lose its light so that Izanagi could be activated. Now why on earth would you sacrifice on eye that possesses the EMS??? Surely the EMS would have had some sort of tech that would have gotten you out of that nasty situation. So why give one up? The answer: He never had EMS. The dumbed down answer: Hes not actually Madara.

As you can all see from here, its obvious that Toby has MANY more secrets left. The question is though, why is he posing as Madara Uchiha, and why does he care so much about keeping this identity? Thats all for now. Thank you and good night.
 

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very nice theory

and indeed: its impossible to be obito, why would madara, out of all the uchiha members that were alive back then, choose obito's body, who was completely crushed by a rock, and who was a KID...

another proof: on the attack of the nine tails 16 years ago we saw the so called "madara" in an older body (still with a mask)

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so yeah its impossible to be obito because obito would be still a kid at that time
 
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you dont think its possible after all the sh!t we have seen.

No. I really dont. As you put it best, "after all the shit we have seen" - this is true, we have seen a lot. However this then leads to the inevitable question: Why would OBITIO go through all of this? He has NO motives to do so. PLUS How in the hell can in be Obito if Madara was fully grown when he attacked the leaf 12 years prior to the start of Naruto? Obtio would have still been in his teens. THAT FACT ALONE should close any and all theories about Obito being Toby, because the only logical explanation to that would be that Obito can time travel... which again HAS NO PURPOSE WHAT SO EVER!
 

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Okey!..If, hes Obito you guys, then i'll leave NB for good...U_U
 

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He could actually be Madara, but we don't know.

You make alot of really good points though. Like super perfect points.
 

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yea.... we knw tobi is not madara..... what we(I) want to know is that...who the hell is that tobi guy????????
 

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No. I really dont. As you put it best, "after all the shit we have seen" - this is true, we have seen a lot. However this then leads to the inevitable question: Why would OBITIO go through all of this? He has NO motives to do so. PLUS How in the hell can in be Obito if Madara was fully grown when he attacked the leaf 12 years prior to the start of Naruto? Obtio would have still been in his teens. THAT FACT ALONE should close any and all theories about Obito being Toby, because the only logical explanation to that would be that Obito can time travel... which again HAS NO PURPOSE WHAT SO EVER!

ok but couldnt madara replace his body with the zetsu lookng shit.
 
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Madara Uchiha: The man off to war with the world. The deceiving, lying, evil man who will stop at nothing to achieve his goal.

Heres the thing though: The "Madara" im talking about, isnt actually Madara. Not completely at least.

Over time there have been countless theories about who Toby really is. Some have been acceptable, others have been flat out retarded (Obito; I mean come on guys, HOW IS HE OBITO IF HALF OBITOS FACE WAS CRUSHED AND YET WE CLEARLY SEE AN UNCRUSHED FACE ON TOBY!). Achem. Sorry bout that. Now then...

I have no intention of giving any said opinion on who Toby truly is, because quite frankly I don't have an opinion on who he is. What I do know however is that whoever Toby is, he isn't Madara Uchiha, or again, at least not completely. And to prove this, I have put together this little number to back me up. *Game show music plays*


1)
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Madara ALWAYS has his right Sharingan activated (and possibly his left, but its covered by his mask). Now, even though its been said that Madara has incredible chakra, NO ONE can have a NATURAL Sharingan remain activated for ONE HUNDRED PLUS YEARS. This leads to the conclusion that the Sharingan MUST have been transplanted thus remaining active, not so different from Kakashi.


2)
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I know im not the only one who hasnt noticed that white shit that oozes out of Madara's arm here. Very similar to Zetsu infact. Need more proof on this one? Watch the anime.


3)
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Wow. Look at that face. Yup. Thats a full face right there. Nothing wrong with it. Nothing at all.

Question: Why wear a mask if nothings wrong with your face Madara?
Answer: HES NOT MADARA


4)

So. Heres the story. Madara Uchiha co-founded the leaf alongside Hashirama Senju, two descendants of the legendary Sage of the 6 Paths. Madara despised Senju, and tried to get the other Uchiha to revolt against him when Senju was appointed the first Hokage. The Uchiha turned their backs on Madara, who then fled only to return later to fight Senju at the valley of the end, where Madara supposedly died, but really didnt.

This all happened at least 100 years ago, and yet Madara is still alive EVEN after being mortally injured by Hashirama. Now I have no problem believing this, Madara was known to have powerful chakras, however the story gets a bit unbelievable when you consider this: Madara and Hashirama were both VERY powerful ninja. Hashirama is arguably more powerful than Madara himself even, considering if he wasnt the battle between them would have gone down differently.

SO, why is it that Madara is the only one of the two who is still alive? If Hashirama truly was as legendary as they say, and yet Madara Uchiha still lives, shouldn't Hashirama still be alive as well? Ya? ...I thought so too.


5)
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This one stems from #4. Madara is at least 150 when you consider how old he was when they say he died, which was 100 years ago (or so). So why the hell does a ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY year old have only THREE WRINKLE LINES UNDER HIS EYE??? Even Tsunade, whos FIFTY looks like she's an withered up old hag when it was shown what she really looked like during the pain arc.


6)

Zetsu:

Why is it, that even after Madara declares himself as Madara to the WHOLE WORLD that Zetsu is the ONLY person (if you can call him that) to still call him Toby? Didn't Madara say something like he created Zetsu? Wouldn't that mean that Zetsu knows his true identity? Well, one things for sure... Zetsu supports me and my claim that Toby is not really Madara.

7)

The Mystery Coffin:

Madara really shouldn't have ANYTHING to fear, should he? He has almost all the Bijuu, hes going to war, he has a nice army with him, he has a cool new mask, and he somehow is able to break the laws of physics by being alive. Yup. Life sure is a breeze when your immortal and have NOTHING to fear. Oh wait...

Now if Toby truly was Madara, WHY ON HIS MIND-CONTROLLED EARTH WOULD HE BE AFRAID OF A DEAD PERSON IN A COFFIN???

People have said that inside this coffin is the Sage of 6 Paths: This cant be true because if it was true Madara wouldnt be fighting a war against the world, he'd be fighting a war with Kabuto to get DNA samples of the SO6P. People have also said that its Izuna, Madara's brother whos in the coffin. Well this doesn't make ANY sense at all if Toby was Madara, because if it was Izuna WHY would Madara be afraid? He already has his brothers eyes, and what would his brother say? "Don't worry everyone! This man IS in fact Madara, so you can put ALL your conspiracy theories behind you!"... not likely.

The only explanation on WHOEVER is inside that coffin is that Toby is CLEARLY NOT MADARA.


8)

Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan:

Its been established quite clearly that Madara has the EMS. What HASNT been established yet however is if TOBY has the EMS. Now then, heres a few fun things to think about:

Toby always appears to have his trusty pair of Sharingan activated. CLEARLY he has the chakra to maintain these eyes constantly; so why not just have your EMS constantly activated? I mean, its not like their gonna damage your vision.


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We see here that Madara has two Sharingan. Moments later we see one of those precious eyes forever lose its light so that Izanagi could be activated. Now why on earth would you sacrifice on eye that possesses the EMS??? Surely the EMS would have had some sort of tech that would have gotten you out of that nasty situation. So why give one up? The answer: He never had EMS. The dumbed down answer: Hes not actually Madara.

As you can all see from here, its obvious that Toby has MANY more secrets left. The question is though, why is he posing as Madara Uchiha, and why does he care so much about keeping this identity? Thats all for now. Thank you and good night.

you are a fool. 1) it doesn't show madara 100% of the time otherwise the show would be called madara, so if he does de-activate his sharingan its not incredulously important news and wont be shown, also the only time we ever see itachi without his sharingan activated is after an very difficult battle.
also he doesn't keep EMS activated constantly because it wastes a hell of a lot more chakra than sharingan and what is the point of wasting chakra, not to mention people don't go around with their greatest weapon on show to everyone thats like the raikage running around with raiton armour constantly.

and why are you speculating that EMS has something similar to izanagi, izanagi is an ability which is in some ways even more difficult to achieve because you need the dna of a senju to use it. also madara was going to replace one of his eyes with the rinnegan anyways, and the rest of this is just your speculation which isn't based on anything
 

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Stupidity is a rare thing...don't you think...U_U

How the F*ck can he be obito are F*ckin serious...:|

Well there isnt any proof saying that Obito cant be Tobi. :|

but there's plenty of reasons why he can be.

#1 His technique were he can open dimension's is very similar to Kakashi's MS technique. Just with A little modification's.

#2 Obito's right side was crushed. Tobi's arm was made of Zetsu. Zetsu was from the rock country. Obito had supposedly in the rock country. Makes sense right? Zetsu could have healed him.

#3 Tobi. Obito Obito tobi Very similar indeed. :|

#4 Tobi has the same hair as Obito. That's why his hair isnt long like Madara's.

#5 Obito said those who dont help their friends are worse then scum, i'll change that aspect of the ninja world. With the moon's eye plan he could easily change the way the ninja world is. Like he want's it.

I could go on but those are some of the main reason's...
 

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mplease keep all madara is things here in that link and good points yes his sharingan is a transplant he transplaneted his brotehrs eyes :p so he can't de activate it and the fight he had with the first hokage was 80 years ago
 

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you are a fool. 1) it doesn't show madara 100% of the time otherwise the show would be called madara, so if he does de-activate his sharingan its not incredulously important news and wont be shown, also the only time we ever see itachi without his sharingan activated is after an very difficult battle.
also he doesn't keep EMS activated constantly because it wastes a hell of a lot more chakra than sharingan and what is the point of wasting chakra, not to mention people don't go around with their greatest weapon on show to everyone thats like the raikage running around with raiton armour constantly.

and why are you speculating that EMS has something similar to izanagi, izanagi is an ability which is in some ways even more difficult to achieve because you need the dna of a senju to use it. also madara was going to replace one of his eyes with the rinnegan anyways, and the rest of this is just your speculation which isn't based on anything

You are a fool.

When I said Madara always has his Sharingan activated, I meant and implied that we have NEVER seen him (flashbacks dont count) without his Sharingan. Thats pretty damn suspicious if you ask me. And as for the EMS: true constant use of it would be pricey, that part was more of a joke. However it was implying that we have never seen Madara use it once. I dont know about you, but with chakra like that, I think he could get away with using EMS quite a lot. PLUS it adds the doubt that he has it when you consider how many times he COULD have used it in the manga but didnt. Like the Kage summit for example: Madara claimed to have wanted to take the Kage hostage, im sure he could have used some sort of EMS tech to do that quite efficiently... you know, assuming he had EMS...

And the question isnt why im speculating EMS has something similar to Izanagi, the real question should be why your not. This entire time Madara has been hyping up the EMS and yet we have yet to actually see ANYTHING once. Therefore, until we know exactly what capabilities the EMS has, I have every right to speculate about how to use it when.

And clearly you havent read any of the reasons listed if you claim that this is all based on nothing.
 

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That is all just so wrong... I couldn't know where to start.

Okay let me try,

8. he used Izanagi because this is not his real EMS-eye we've seen that he posesses plenty sharingan so he always got those implented.

1. If it was implanted and he was not an Uchiha, than he would need to cover it.

2. What do you want to tell us with this?

3. Looks, Style oh and so people wouldn't know all his secrets? It was often said already that Madara uses some of Zetsus cells to keep him alive and you see the left side of his face is totally black, it doesn't just look like some shadows fall on his face.

4. Like Jman and Orochimaru, both got great skills but only one of them could live forever.

5. :rolleyes:

6. Mabey a nickname? Can't really give you any prove though.

7. Well no clue about that.
 
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