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LEEEEEEL what?! I hope your talking about base chakra levels because as far as chakra goes as a topic, naruto plus kurama chakra made naruto rank higher than sasuke in terms of chakra levels including sage energy. OMFG to say his chakra is much higher is laughable. If that were true he would have had naruto out-ranked. Sasukes jutsu are more destructive based which should of course make sasuke more difficult to cope with in a fight.


I meant to say Naruto had much more, doesn't change my point though, you make no damn sense. Being equals in power doesn't mean being equals in chakra.


It brought him back in his prime, in his prime he didnt have rinnengan and thus the cap of edo tensei is made. Everyone knows this. notice when Madara got brought back Zetsu said Madara cna do anything? of course its hyperbole but this right here suggests that Edo tensei had a cap. He could use Sage chakra before because hashi cells dont work on undead. You dont have more chakra but the chakra regenerates faster. If it had unlimited chakra then Tobirama could do as much clones as he wanted. Whats that about he ain't got more chakra?? are you a retard or something, reread the last 2 chapters :| show some actual proof or speculation instead of denying my own.

Are you stupid? Read the f*cking manga and tell me where it says Edo Tensei brought him back at his prime. If it brought him back in his prime how the hell would even be able to activate or use the Rinnegan? lmao, stop pal, cause you sound dumb.

....If they didn't he wouldn't be able to use Mokuton, again with the baseless assumptions? He couldn't use Senjutsu cause he didn't get it until AFTER he was brought back, it has nothing to do with him being an Edo, otherwise his plan to beat Obito down using Hashirama's Senjutsu and force him to use Rinne Tensei would be pointless.

@underlined: Already knew this? Your point? I already stated that chakra levels don't run out, never said they increase.

Learn the difference between unlimited and infinite and then reply to me. Infinite means he has an infinite amount, unlimited means it won't run out and that's how it is going by what the manga has shown.

Im going to use the fact you gave me to counter your second fact. If Madara can go a whole night on PS and genjutsu controlling Kurama and other Katon jutsu. Keeping In mind susano'o is an MS technique. If someone who has more chakra than you is then absorbed into your own chakra system your chakra reserves are going to increased double or more. I don't see how this is difficult to grasp.

By using a clone, he splits his chakra in half and ends up at the same situation he was at VoTe if we go by your baseless 2x chakra assumption.

-Hashirama's DNA doubles his chakra from EMS.

-Madara uses a clone, splits it in half.

-2/2=1, or did you forget from wanking Madara too hard?

-Back at the same point as he was at VoTE since each clone has half his total reserves, which would be equal to VoTE Madara if we followed your 2x chakra assumption.

@bold: You sure do love twisting the manga. Go show me where Hashirama was absorbed into Madara moron. Where are you getting this bullshit from? Getting a piece of his DNA=/=Absorbing him. Or did Obito and Danzo also absorb Hashirama? :rolleyes:

How is it irrelavant? its completely relevant, its like saying you can clone a crappy car, a good car but not a better car, it makes no sense what your saying. Your acting as if its written in stone that you can't clone PS or there is a chakra restriction stopping him from doing so.
You have no feats or logic, only baseless speculation. I've already presented the chakra issues and you have no counter besides the invalid "Edo Tensei cap" bullshit.

Using V3 as evidence Madara has the chakra to clone PS doesn't make any damn sense.

.... :| 1-9 Tails Bijudama enhanced with rinnengan and Madaras own chakra/ Hashi chakra?? Are you freaking kidding me?? Not saying it breaks through but it at least rivals with Bijudama. If not the remaining chakra from Jubidama is tanked by PS. Furthermore Bijudama takes made amount of prep time. By that time he gets attacked. Juubidama seems to be the structure of your argument hen this attack takes mad long to do.
lmao, what the f*ck? This is why I can't take these wankers seriously.

-Madara's Rinnegan nor his chakra isn't going to enhance Bijuu Dama unless you have some scans of it doing so, keep your BS out of this discussion.

-He doesn't have Hashirama's chakra, he has his DNA which enhances his own chakra. More bullshit I see.

B and Naruto fired 9 Bijuu Dama at the weakest form of the Juubi and it plowed through them all with its laser, this form of Juubi is far inferior to this form of Juubi, who can release something like , and Obito, who is the Jin, meaning everything is stronger when used through him as , can simultaneously use 4 Juubi Dama, each stronger than the one the V2 Juubi fired off, and you are telling me that the 9 Bijuu (Who don't even have Jins to focus their power) are going to make a Bijuu Dama that rivals 1 let alone 4 Juubi Dama? Log off pal, cause you can't be taken seriously. This shit is almost sig worthy.

-He gets attacked by what? He can evade anything in this guy's arsenal with the utmost ease, we've seen from the Juubi that it doesn't take long to do and he's trapped in Obito's barrier yet we are really wondering whether Madara is going to take him out during Juubi Dama's prep? Especially since he doesn't need to be still or actively focused on it to charge it up? lmao, stop.

I also see that you failed to comprehend the simple fact that if Madara used the Bijuu to create an explosion that let him match Juubi Dama in power, the explosions of both attacks would shatter PS with ease and kill Madara as well, especially since the barrier is up, meaning he has nowhere to run or hide. The 9 Bijuu matching an explosion that dwarfs the Juubi itself, which in turn dwarfs any of the Bijuu is laughable at best.


Juubi Dama from the Juubi's body or from Obito's Tress blows Madara's ass up along with the other Bijuu.

The counter: Madaras reaction time>>>>Juubidama prep and i already gave a counter as to how he tanks Juubidama
His reaction time being greater than Juubidama prep doesn't mean shit here, as he can't stop the prep nor can he tank it, especially not with the idiotic method you have listed.

Just stop, the shit you are posting becomes stupider and stupider as you go on.
 
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I meant to say Naruto had much more, doesn't change my point though, you make no damn sense. Being equals in power doesn't mean being equals in chakra.

Obviously not in all cases but in these particular cased (Naruto/sasuke Hashirama/Madara) it is to be suggested history is repeating itself. Uzumaki having a lot of chakra and naruto having sage and kurama chakra then sasuke Being a uchiha and being this advanced for his age for a uchiha. They are also known for masses of chakra. Im reading inbetween the lines and you don't have to dig that far in to recognise the connotations.



Are you stupid? Read the f*cking manga and tell me where it says Edo Tensei brought him back at his prime. If it brought him back in his prime how the hell would even be able to activate or use the Rinnegan? lmao, stop pal, cause you sound dumb.

beyond his prime


....If they didn't he wouldn't be able to use Mokuton, again with the baseless assumptions? He couldn't use Senjutsu cause he didn't get it until AFTER he was brought back, it has nothing to do with him being an Edo, otherwise his plan to beat Obito down using Hashirama's Senjutsu and force him to use Rinne Tensei would be pointless.

Im talking about the effects of the cells actually working on his bloodstream, he has no bloodstream due to being an edo and thus the cells cannot function to its fullest. He couldn't use it because he couldn't, of course he had it what are you on about?? ive already explained why he couldn't use the full power of hashi DNA. so far iv'e been giving the most proof.

@underlined: Already knew this? Your point? I already stated that chakra levels don't run out, never said they increase.

Let me lay it out for you in basic terms. If your cap before you die is 50 chakra for example and when you get brought back your able to use 75 chakra, you can only use up to 50 chakra points because that's your original cap, you cant go over 50 because its a cap. in order to use the full 75 you would have to be alive.

Learn the difference between unlimited and infinite and then reply to me. Infinite means he has an infinite amount, unlimited means it won't run out and that's how it is going by what the manga has shown.

In this case Edo provides unlimited amount but again comes with caps, refer back to the clones as an example again


By using a clone, he splits his chakra in half and ends up at the same situation he was at VoTe if we go by your baseless 2x chakra assumption.

Hes only able to make 2 clones :|

-Hashirama's DNA doubles his chakra from EMS.

-Madara uses a clone, splits it in half.

-2/2=1, or did you forget from wanking Madara too hard?

exactly 50/50 so he has 2 PS YOUR JUST EXPLAINING MY POINT TO ME, you can modify how mach chakra yo pour into each clone i just saying he's getting at least double the amount of chakra, im talking about his chakra reserves here, they are doubled if not more since Hashi had more chakra. to be more accurate 1+1.5 (1.5 being hashi chakra reserves)


-Back at the same point as he was at VoTE since each clone has half his total reserves, which would be equal to VoTE Madara if we followed your 2x chakra assumption.

Talk about interpreting the manga to suit your needs LOOL

@bold: You sure do love twisting the manga. Go show me where Hashirama was absorbed into Madara moron. Where are you getting this bullshit from? Getting a piece of his DNA=/=Absorbing him. Or did Obito and Danzo also absorb Hashirama? :rolleyes:

You know exactly what i mean your deliberately being ignorant :eww: cell duplicate, thats exactly what happened to obito and danzo, they experimented on it. Madara has the source of the cells inside of him. evidently since latest manga scans have further re-enforced my statement. Obito and Danzo aren't able to go SM are they? because they havent go the larger portion of hashi in them. The face is a replica however the fact htat he can go SM is a good implication of how much of Hashi DNA he actually has.


You have no feats or logic, only baseless speculation. I've already presented the chakra issues and you have no counter besides the invalid "Edo Tensei cap" bullshit.

Just countered it, what proof have you actually contributed up and till now?

Using V3 as evidence Madara has the chakra to clone PS doesn't make any damn sense.

Ignorance is blinding you because it makes perfect sense

lmao, what the f*ck? This is why I can't take these wankers seriously.

-Madara's Rinnegan nor his chakra isn't going to enhance Bijuu Dama unless you have some scans of it doing so, keep your BS out of this discussion.

Now i know you've lost it

-He doesn't have Hashirama's chakra, he has his DNA which enhances his own chakra. More bullshit I see.

Hashirama DNA= Hashirama chakra infused within

B and Naruto fired 9 Bijuu Dama at the weakest form of the Juubi and it plowed through them all with its laser, this form of Juubi is far inferior to this form of Juubi, who can release something like , and Obito, who is the Jin, meaning everything is stronger when used through him as , can simultaneously use 4 Juubi Dama, each stronger than the one the V2 Juubi fired off, and you are telling me that the 9 Bijuu (Who don't even have Jins to focus their power) are going to make a Bijuu Dama that rivals 1 let alone 4 Juubi Dama? Log off pal, cause you can't be taken seriously. This shit is almost sig worthy.

Did i say 4 bijudama :| thats just ridiculous and like i said this is all depending of if he gets to fire it anyway, like i said prep is required, madara having knowledge on juubi and TB isn't going to stand there smiling admiring the chakra collecting together is he? Bee is able to do multi bijudama so why cant madara if he has 1-7 biju inside him? like i have said repeatedly this is dependant of if he gets to do juubidama. If he is hit head on it would destroy susnao'o i can admit that which is why i gave a way he can counter it instead. The amount of things you have said in this discussion is sig worthy but i'm not going to be a deep nigga and sig it.


-He gets attacked by what? He can evade anything in this guy's arsenal with the utmost ease, we've seen from the Juubi that it doesn't take long to do and he's trapped in Obito's barrier yet we are really wondering whether Madara is going to take him out during Juubi Dama's prep? Especially since he doesn't need to be still or actively focused on it to charge it up? lmao, stop.

I also see that you failed to comprehend the simple fact that if Madara used the Bijuu to create an explosion that let him match Juubi Dama in power, the explosions of both attacks would shatter PS with ease and kill Madara as well, especially since the barrier is up, meaning he has nowhere to run or hide. The 9 Bijuu matching an explosion that dwarfs the Juubi itself, which in turn dwarfs any of the Bijuu is laughable at best.


Juubi Dama from the Juubi's body or from Obito's Tress blows Madara's ass up along with the other Bijuu.


His reaction time being greater than Juubidama prep doesn't mean shit here, as he can't stop the prep nor can he tank it, especially not with the idiotic method you have listed.

Just stop, the shit you are posting becomes stupider and stupider as you go on.
This shiz is fkin hilarious!!! you want to talk about stupid shit?? ow about the meteor being dragged out of space in seconds flat try that for stupid xD this discussion cant go on for now untill next chapter
 

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Madara did not create meteors. He used the rinnegan's gravitational prowess to more or less drag them in with gravitational pull. He could, at most, make them come in faster with more chakra. That is it. He cannot just create meteors wherever the hell he wants to.
 

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Everyone knows current mads > v1 juubito
If he gets his ems back he's > v2.:)
In madara we trust
 

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Everyone knows current mads > v1 juubito
If he gets his ems back he's > v2.:)
In madara we trust

TROLOLOL Fk no Madara would get beaten to a pulp

Madara did not create meteors. He used the rinnegan's gravitational prowess to more or less drag them in with gravitational pull. He could, at most, make them come in faster with more chakra. That is it. He cannot just create meteors wherever the hell he wants to.

From space :| he would have to know where exactly in space they were and not only that but htey would have to be travelling faster than the speed of light since it takes light 5 minutes to reach the earth surface. As soon as he dragged his hand down there was the meteor.
 

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Everyone got their chance on Madara. Now it's time for Hiruzen and Tobirama to take him out.
 

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TROLOLOL Fk no Madara would get beaten to a pulp



From space :| he would have to know where exactly in space they were and not only that but htey would have to be travelling faster than the speed of light since it takes light 5 minutes to reach the earth surface. As soon as he dragged his hand down there was the meteor.

Dude. This is Naruto. You are thinking to much into it. He pulls in a Meteor from outer space with the Deva path, while PS is active.
 

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Don't put your replies inside the quote, that is annoying.

Obviously not in all cases but in these particular cased (Naruto/sasuke Hashirama/Madara) it is to be suggested history is repeating itself. Uzumaki having a lot of chakra and naruto having sage and kurama chakra then sasuke Being a uchiha and being this advanced for his age for a uchiha. They are also known for masses of chakra. Im reading inbetween the lines and you don't have to dig that far in to recognise the connotations.

Irrelevant. Everything in this part of your post is irrelevant and doesn't refute anything I said. Your reasoning for them being near equals in chakra is shot down by the simple fact being equals in power doesn't mean you are equals in chakra. You aren't reading in between the lines you are making shit up. Them being known for their masses of chakra doesn't mean that Madara has equal chakra to Hashirama.

beyond his prime

Exactly, prime isn't beyond his prime. Him being revived beyond his prime is why he has Mokuton and Rinnegan in a young body, meaning you whole point on this matter is moot.

Im talking about the effects of the cells actually working on his bloodstream, he has no bloodstream due to being an edo and thus the cells cannot function to its fullest. He couldn't use it because he couldn't, of course he had it what are you on about?? ive already explained why he couldn't use the full power of hashi DNA. so far iv'e been giving the most proof.

Baseless, its never said that he needs blood for the cells to work at their fullest, you just pulled more shit out of your ass. Come back with proof and not your opinion, cause I don't care for it.

lol? He couldn't use what because he couldn't? I really hope you aren't referring to Senjutsu when the f*cking manga shows him getting it from Hashirama in the most recent chapter, which means he didn't have until then. This has nothing to do with the full power of Hashirama's cells.

Let me lay it out for you in basic terms. If your cap before you die is 50 chakra for example and when you get brought back your able to use 75 chakra, you can only use up to 50 chakra points because that's your original cap, you cant go over 50 because its a cap. in order to use the full 75 you would have to be alive.
Wrong. No such cap is put on Edos, they can only use as much chakra as they are revived with, not as much chakra as they died with, that is f*cking retarded logic you are using here. Madara was at 50, Hashirama's DNA pushed him to 75, but he got old so its not noticeable, Kabuto modified him, so now he is back at 75. If Edo Tensei followed your logic, Minato would be restricted to the amount of chakra he had when he was alive, even though it increased by getting Kurama.

In this case Edo provides unlimited amount but again comes with caps, refer back to the clones as an example again

The cap you are speaking of doesn't exist, you made it up.

Hes only able to make 2 clones
Ok?

exactly 50/50 so he has 2 PS YOUR JUST EXPLAINING MY POINT TO ME, you can modify how mach chakra yo pour into each clone i just saying he's getting at least double the amount of chakra, im talking about his chakra reserves here, they are doubled if not more since Hashi had more chakra. to be more accurate 1+1.5 (1.5 being hashi chakra reserves)
So what if you can modify it? If Madara has any less chakra than he had at VoTE, he isn't utilizing PS in a full on fight, irrelevant point.

Why are you mentioning Hashirama's reserves here? Implanting his DNA doesn't give you his chakra or his reserves. That's another bullshit assumption. When are you going to bring manga panels to support your arguments instead of your own shitty opinion.

-Back at the same point as he was at VoTE since each clone has half his total reserves, which would be equal to VoTE Madara if we followed your 2x chakra assumption.

Talk about interpreting the manga to suit your needs LOOL

-Are you not the moron who said Madara's chakra would double from adding Hashirama's DNA? (I went along with it even though its a baseless assumption)

2/2=1. VoTE Madara is 1 and Alive Madara is 2 according to your 2x chakra logic.

I also like you are forgetting the f'*cking fact that Susanoo costs chakra to make and maintain, Madara used it for a brief scuffle at VoTE and you think he'll use it with a clone and not suffer from chakra drainage? lmao, wank wank is all I see here.

Actually, give me some proof his chakra was doubled, until then you have no argument on this point.

You know exactly what i mean your deliberately being ignorant cell duplicate, thats exactly what happened to obito and danzo, they experimented on it. Madara has the source of the cells inside of him. evidently since latest manga scans have further re-enforced my statement. Obito and Danzo aren't able to go SM are they? because they havent go the larger portion of hashi in them. The face is a replica however the fact htat he can go SM is a good implication of how much of Hashi DNA he actually has.

No I don't know what you mean, say what you mean if you don't want someone to interpret it wrong. What the hell do you think I am a mind reader?

lol the source of the cells inside him? The source of the cells is Hashirama, he doesn't have Hashirama inside him genius, he has his cells and that's it. Same thing as what Danzo did, they implanted Hashirama's cells, don't make this more complicated than it really is.

Obito and Danzo can't go SM because they didn't f*cking absorb Sage Power It has nothing to do with the amount of DNA they have, even if you want to go by that stupid ass shit logic. Half of Obito's goddamn body is made of Hashirama's DNA while Madara only has enough of his DNA to cover his face, yet Madara got Sage Mode. Which is because he stole it not cause he spontaneously pulled it out of his ass like you do with your "arguments". Read the manga pal, read the damn manga.

Now i know you've lost it

Unless you are talking about Madara being a Jin of multiple Bijuu, which is impossible and doesn't matter anyway, cause no amount of buff he can add is coming close to the Juubi's power, especially since he doesn't have Kurama or Gyuki, the Bijuu with the best feats.

Hashirama DNA= Hashirama chakra infused within
In what universe? Surely not Narutoverse. Go show me a scan supporting this bullshit or GTFO. My tolerance for stupidity is very very very low. Especially when so much is in one post.

Ignorance is blinding you because it makes perfect sense

lol, by this shitty logic, Naruto can use an FRS the size of the Juubi just because he made one the size of Gamakichi despite one costing much more chakra than the other.

Did i say 4 bijudama thats just ridiculous and like i said this is all depending of if he gets to fire it anyway, like i said prep is required, madara having knowledge on juubi and TB isn't going to stand there smiling admiring the chakra collecting together is he? Bee is able to do multi bijudama so why cant madara if he has 1-7 biju inside him? like i have said repeatedly this is dependant of if he gets to do juubidama. If he is hit head on it would destroy susnao'o i can admit that which is why i gave a way he can counter it instead. The amount of things you have said in this discussion is sig worthy but i'm not going to be a deep nigga and sig it.

-I am the one who mentioned the 4 Juubidama in the first place, why the hell would you only make a counter for 1? Not like your counter is legit anyway.

-Bijuu 1-7 have never shown Continuous Bijuu Dama, only Kurama and Gyuki, so no, Madara doesn't get that shit either, its irrelevant since Juubi Dama>>>>>>Any Bijuu Dama Madara can produce.

Madara CAN'T DO SHIT. Get that through your head. I don't care if it requires prep cause he can't do shit about it. Already listed many things Obito can do, he can even go with this variant of the Juubi Dama, which obliterates this prep nonsense. Its funny you cry about Madara preventing it even though I already listed what will happen if he tries that, but of course, ignore what you can't counter. :rolleyes:

This shiz is fkin hilarious!!! you want to talk about stupid shit?? ow about the meteor being dragged out of space in seconds flat try that for stupid xD this discussion cant go on for now untill next chapter

What is hilarious is your argument. Its shitty, based on nothing but speculation, and most if not everything in your post has no scans to back it up. here is nothing about next chapter that will change this discussion, the cold hard fact is that you make no sense. No sense at all.

-Hashirama's DNA having his chakra reserves in it? Since when pal?
-Madara's chakra reserves being his plus Hashirama's since he has his DNA?
-Madara having more DNA than a guy who has half his body made of Hashirama's DNA?
-Madara overpowering Juubidama? With only 7 Bijuu? Even though 5 Bijuu were matched by BM Naruto?
-Madara having enough chakra to clone PS because he can clone V3, something that costs much less chakra?
-Inventing an Edo Tensei chakra cap?
-Hashirama's DNA needing blood to work at their best despite manga never implying this?

All you are doing is spouting fanfiction bullshit, and I'm getting pretty tired of it.
 
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