[Discussion] Yonkou commander bounties

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Even if Parasite couldn't control the biscuits you guys act like Doffy's strings couldn't break them. Cracker can make unlimited biscuits Doffy can produce unlimited strings the biscuit army isn't nearly as advantageous in this scenario as it was in Luffy's fight.
 

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Uusop had a higher bounty than Sanji simply because Uusop is giving credit for exposing Dressrosa and DD himself hyped Uusop up with that high ass reward for catching him. Put it into perspective. Uusop has actually been useful to the straw hats post time skip Sanji has not.

He ain't do jack shit in Punk hazard. He failed to protect his own crew at Dressrosa and was saved by Law. He got captured and tooken away and now he's gonna get married. Sanji role after time skip was bleek.
Exactly my point.

I agree with you.


My point is simple though.. Sanji vs Usopp ..... who wins?

Usopp has a higher bounty but that doesn't mean he is physically stronger than Sanji.

Jack can have a higher bounty and still be beaten by a sweet commander with a lower bounty. That's all I was saying..

And also that Jack may very well be the strongest Calamity regardless of already being introduced to us.. best example being Mihawk and the Shichibukai.
 

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Your a fool if you think that ABC logic gone fly around here.
Doflamingo doesn't even have the strength to bypass Crackers armor lol
Doflamingo regular body is cannonly more powerful than Crackers armor since it tanked multiple hits from Luffy G4. Haki coated strings ruin cracker. Once Cracker is out of his armor DD turns the entire BF into strings f*cking Cracker up.
 

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Exactly my point.

I agree with you.


My point is simple though.. Sanji vs Usopp ..... who wins?

Usopp has a higher bounty but that doesn't mean he is physically stronger than Sanji.

Jack can have a higher bounty and still be beaten by a sweet commander with a lower bounty. That's all I was saying..

And also that Jack may very well be the strongest Calamity regardless of already being introduced to us.. best example being Mihawk and the Shichibukai.
Wrong and Jack isn't the strongest calamity.

Unlike Uusop who is a Joke. Jack is someone that is deadass serious. Jack attacking Fuji,Sengoku and survived Cracker couldn't even defeat the duo of Nami and Luffy.

Kaido men have higher bounties because Beast Pirates would smash Big mom Pirates.
 

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Wrong and Jack isn't the strongest calamity.

Unlike Uusop who is a Joke. Jack is someone that is deadass serious. Jack attacking Fuji,Sengoku and survived Cracker couldn't even defeat the duo of Nami and Luffy.

Kaido men have higher bounties because Beast Pirates would smash Big mom Pirates.
Wtf is wrong exactly? lol

I guess you didn't read my post correctly.. I either only said facts. Or said possibilities that Oda hasn't given us the answer for yet..

You f*cked up when you said Usopp is a joke.

Your comparison of Jack and Cracker alone might very well suggest that Jack is in fact the strongest Calamity.. it's just an option.. I aint never said that's what it's gonna be for a fact.

I do feel like the last sentence you said might be right though.. lol
 

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KKG knocking out Doflamingo while he was on the edge of unconsciousness and severely wounded does not confirm that KKG would knock out Doflamingo while he was at 100% power and health.
Luffy wasn't at 100% power and health either at the time he used KKG..

Put Doflamingo at 100% full health and power, and put Luffy too, and we get same results.

Especially since KKG knocks out Doflamingo 1/1 in the manga it knocks out Doflamingo 100% of the time. (Until proven otherwise)
 

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Luffy wasn't at 100% power and health either at the time he used KKG..
And?

Put Doflamingo at 100% full health and power, and put Luffy too, and we get same results.
No we don't, considering that Doflamingo was further from 100% than Luffy was, and Luffy still ended up needing to be saved.

Especially since KKG knocks out Doflamingo 1/1 in the manga it knocks out Doflamingo 100% of the time. (Until proven otherwise)
Yeti Cool Brothers knocked out Zoro 1/1 in the manga, so they knock him out 100% of the time.
 

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And?


No we don't, considering that Doflamingo was further from 100% than Luffy was, and Luffy still ended up needing to be saved.



Yeti Cool Brothers knocked out Zoro 1/1 in the manga, so they knock him out 100% of the time.
@ bold

Proof for this being what exactly?
 

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If people haven't got the memo at this point in the story I don't know what to say, bounty does not equal strength.

Jack is suicidal, he's stupid enough to start fights with admirals and stuff which explains perfectly why his bounty is so high.

If you use your common sense you won't be disappointed later on trust me, I'm sure all the calamities are reckless just like Jack ergo there huge ass bounties. Case closed.

How and why is Doflamingo relevant in this thread? people still trying to rank him above every commander? Lol what's next, DD will be stronger than Smoothie and Katakuri as well?
 

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If people haven't got the memo at this point in the story I don't know what to say, bounty does not equal strength.

Jack is suicidal, he's stupid enough to start fights with admirals and stuff which explains perfectly why his bounty is so high.

If you use your common sense you won't be disappointed later on trust me, I'm sure all the calamities are reckless just like Jack ergo there huge ass bounties. Case closed.

How and why is Doflamingo relevant in this thread? people still trying to rank him above every commander? Lol what's next, DD will be stronger than Smoothie and Katakuri as well?
The question wasn't about their strength as much as it was where do we assume Jack is in the Calamity ranking with a 1bil bounty when 3 out of 4 of another yonkou's commanders are under 1 bil. Jack being over 1 bil and the other known Yonko commanders being under implies he'd be either the #1 or 2 commander for Kaido assuming the bounty amounts are relative to the position. If people still believe Jack is the lowest commander with a 1 bil bounty then that'd mean the remaining 2 likely have over 1 bil bounty.
 

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The question wasn't about their strength as much as it was where do we assume Jack is in the Calamity ranking with a 1bil bounty when 3 out of 4 of another yonkou's commanders are under 1 bil. Jack being over 1 bil and the other known Yonko commanders being under implies he'd be either the #1 or 2 commander for Kaido assuming the bounty amounts are relative to the position. If people still believe Jack is the lowest commander with a 1 bil bounty then that'd mean the remaining 2 likely have over 1 bil bounty.
Which is why it's highly possible that Jack is the strongest calamity, or at least the calamity with the highest bounty.. (especially if him being Kaido's right hand man is true)
 

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You think Bellamy has the same capacity to do damage that Law does? Because Bellamy having the same capacity to do damage that Law does is the only way that Luffy and Doflamingo were weakened by even at minimum the same degree.
Luffy ate almost all of Doflamingo's strongest attacks and was heavily exhausted thanks to the side effects of G4. Even Doflamingo mocked him for being extremely weakened to a point where he couldn't even stand on his own. Then Luffy had to overpower the apparent most powerful attack Doffy had to offer in order to finally KO him. Luffy by no means in a batter shape than Doffy, not during their final clash.
 

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Which is why it's highly possible that Jack is the strongest calamity, or at least the calamity with the highest bounty.. (especially if him being Kaido's right hand man is true)
I agree but most people still say as a fact he'll be the lowest commander. I was wondering if seeing these new commander bounties changed people's mind.
 

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You think Bellamy has the same capacity to do damage that Law does? Because Bellamy having the same capacity to do damage that Law does is the only way that Luffy and Doflamingo were weakened by even at minimum the same degree.
Doffy himself said that Luffy was also very weakened after Luffy said that GK weakened Doffy. It should be obvious that Oda wanted them to be close in terms of health at the start of the fight. You underestimate the damage that you would take from someone punching you for 15+ minutes nonstop and you overestimate the damage done by GK (Doffy healed his organs after 20-30 minutes).
 

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Doffy himself said that Luffy was also very weakened after Luffy said that GK weakened Doffy. It should be obvious that Oda wanted them to be close in terms of health at the start of the fight. You underestimate the damage that you would take from someone punching you for 15+ minutes nonstop and you overestimate the damage done by GK (Doffy healed his organs after 20-30 minutes).
Ok macho usually u and me are in agreement however u cannot be serious:|

It was stated in manga that doffy never healed from gamma knife he just stopped himself from dying

That move if it lands would one shot anyone bar doffy perhaps Ivankov and that healing dwarf girl


Doffy commented on Luffy being banged up because he was laughing that he forced Luffy to fight Bellamy against his will

That much is obvious


Also how is punching someone for 15mintues (timing is wrong btw no way in hell lufffy was fighting spring guy for that long when in the manga if there is a 20 minute time difference it usually is stated) equates to having all your organs shredded instantly at once?

Like bro I get people don't really like dofflamingo but come on gamma knife is the nastiest move I've seen in this manga but people try to compare luffys damage from bellemy to doffy a damage from law the two don't add up. They are in no way shape or form able to be compared

Even the type of attack one is physical the other one being internal

Hell do u even think all of bellemy s punches = a flaming red hawk thing that Luffy did to doffy ???

I don't lol bellemy was injured and tired af, that exchange between Luffy and bellemy was more so emotional then anything because Luffy was freeing bellemy of doffy's clutches

So how would a heavily injured person repeadilty hitting someone who was not fighting back equals having all your organs ripped apart at once?
That is literally laws strongest move you cannot be saying a bunch of no named attacks by bellemy of all people = laws strongest move :|

Lastly what do u think injection shot did I speculate it did something to doffy status wise but no feats can claim it until oda says what it does
 

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Ok macho usually u and me are in agreement however u cannot be serious:|

It was stated in manga that doffy never healed from gamma knife he just stopped himself from dying

That move if it lands would one shot anyone bar doffy perhaps Ivankov and that healing dwarf girl


Doffy commented on Luffy being banged up because he was laughing that he forced Luffy to fight Bellamy against his will

That much is obvious


Also how is punching someone for 15mintues (timing is wrong btw no way in hell lufffy was fighting spring guy for that long when in the manga if there is a 20 minute time difference it usually is stated) equates to having all your organs shredded instantly at once?

Like bro I get people don't really like dofflamingo but come on gamma knife is the nastiest move I've seen in this manga but people try to compare luffys damage from bellemy to doffy a damage from law the two don't add up. They are in no way shape or form able to be compared

Even the type of attack one is physical the other one being internal

Hell do u even think all of bellemy s punches = a flaming red hawk thing that Luffy did to doffy ???

I don't lol bellemy was injured and tired af, that exchange between Luffy and bellemy was more so emotional then anything because Luffy was freeing bellemy of doffy's clutches

So how would a heavily injured person repeadilty hitting someone who was not fighting back equals having all your organs ripped apart at once?
That is literally laws strongest move you cannot be saying a bunch of no named attacks by bellemy of all people = laws strongest move :|

Lastly what do u think injection shot did I speculate it did something to doffy status wise but no feats can claim it until oda says what it does
If Doffy's organs never recovered, then Doffy would have died when KKG knocked him out since his strings would deactivate and his organs would fall apart. So Doffy's organs were fully recovered before KKG knocked him out. Just one hit from Bellamy had Luffy spitting out blood, so Luffy would have been very weakened after being a punching bag for Bellamy after 15+ minutes (and he also wasted some Haki). And yes, it was 15+ minutes since their fight started before Hajrudin defeated Machvise and it ended shortly after Zoro defeated Pica. So unless you think all of the Executive's fights lasted less than a minute, Luffy vs Bellamy would be around 15 minutes, if not longer. Besides, Oda was clearly trying to portray Luffy and Doffy as being about as damaged as the other since he had both Luffy and Doffy comment that the other person's health was bad on the same page.

Also, GK only affects the organs close to it, and Doffy stiched his organs back together after a few seconds.
 
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