[Discussion] Yonkou commander bounties
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Judging by the yonko(and crew) standing in this manga and the range in their bounties shown so far(appear to be between 800 and a million for now), i suppose they are supposed to be viewed not far from each other eventhough of course there are decrepancies in strength between them
I find it crazy that Jack has higher bounty than 3 sweet commanders though. Eventhough it's true he is more ruthless, it shouldn't be enough reason for him to have higher when they yonko and crew having similar standings in this manga and in balance with each other especially if the "Kaido, King, Queen, Jack" thing seen on Oda's desk is accurate and if Oda follows the card game where Jack may actually be the weakest.
And considering no billion berry bounty has been shown in Big Mom's crew yet, and the fact Katakuri is the last one to be revealed, it gives him a higher chance for him to be higher in the ladder than Smoothie who with her higher bounty has better portrayal than Cracker(they are in the same crew and have similar positions, so bounty difference is some kind of indication), who himself had higher portrayal than Snack comparatively to Urouge
So it looks to be Katakuri > Smoothie > Cracker > Snack. With Jack having higher bounty than 3 of them though it gives greater hype to the Beast Pirates now especially since Kaido is supposed only to have 3 calamities as opposed to 4 in Big Mom's case, which may imply Kaido favoured quality over quantity to keep the balance which would then make sense for why Jack could be this highly rated while possibly be the weakest of the calamities, that's assuming of course Oda really follows that card game. Otherwise, it could be more debatable i guess
Oh and on a side note, Cracker is stronger than Doflamingo who himself is below Jack. The Doflamingo wankers just never know when to stop. Let that relic of the past burried in the stone
I find it crazy that Jack has higher bounty than 3 sweet commanders though. Eventhough it's true he is more ruthless, it shouldn't be enough reason for him to have higher when they yonko and crew having similar standings in this manga and in balance with each other especially if the "Kaido, King, Queen, Jack" thing seen on Oda's desk is accurate and if Oda follows the card game where Jack may actually be the weakest.
And considering no billion berry bounty has been shown in Big Mom's crew yet, and the fact Katakuri is the last one to be revealed, it gives him a higher chance for him to be higher in the ladder than Smoothie who with her higher bounty has better portrayal than Cracker(they are in the same crew and have similar positions, so bounty difference is some kind of indication), who himself had higher portrayal than Snack comparatively to Urouge
So it looks to be Katakuri > Smoothie > Cracker > Snack. With Jack having higher bounty than 3 of them though it gives greater hype to the Beast Pirates now especially since Kaido is supposed only to have 3 calamities as opposed to 4 in Big Mom's case, which may imply Kaido favoured quality over quantity to keep the balance which would then make sense for why Jack could be this highly rated while possibly be the weakest of the calamities, that's assuming of course Oda really follows that card game. Otherwise, it could be more debatable i guess
Oh and on a side note, Cracker is stronger than Doflamingo who himself is below Jack. The Doflamingo wankers just never know when to stop. Let that relic of the past burried in the stone
Right now Usopp has a higher bounty than Sanji.... let that sink in.. lol
Bounties =/= Strength
Higher bounty character =/= Stronger than lower bounty character
Order of introduction =/= order of strongest either.. as seen with Mihawk being the first Shichibukai we were introduced to..
Jack could very well be the strongest Calamity.. it's up in the air right now..
And a sweet commander with a bounty lower than 1 billion can still defeat Jack..
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Bounties =/= Strength
Higher bounty character =/= Stronger than lower bounty character
Order of introduction =/= order of strongest either.. as seen with Mihawk being the first Shichibukai we were introduced to..
Jack could very well be the strongest Calamity.. it's up in the air right now..
And a sweet commander with a bounty lower than 1 billion can still defeat Jack..
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That's because Usopp's bounty doesn't come from his strength, but more due to the dangerosity of his power of amassing people who ended up toppling Donquixote family. But the yonko commanders judging by their standing in the manga should have bounties more representative to their strength. They are portrayed as the final echellon to top before the yonko who are part of the 3main powers of the one piece world. So obviously in their case, their bounties would be more of an indication. If it wasn't the case, we'd have had top yonko commanders bounties in the 300millions range or below. But Oda is clearly intending for their bounties to be in the billions berry range and it's done for a reason, for the readers to have a better estimate of where people on that level range threat level wise
Bounties can represent strength still. It just doesn't only represent strength. It represents strength and threat level towards the government as mentioned by Aokiji since Long Ring arc. For rising powers however, it can be inaccurate since they didn't yet achieve the level of feat to prove their strength, but it can't be the case for yonko crews who are long term veterans with strength already known and established throughout the world as part of the balance of power since countless years
It doesn't directly says one is necessarily stronger i agree with that, but it's still an indicator of the general level of a guy who is a primarily fighter like the yonko commanders. There can be other people whose threat originally came from their dangerosity towards the world government like Robin(due to being able to read poneglyphs) but for primarily fighters, majority of the bounty comes from strength with the dangerosity towards the civils or marines(like Kid, Caribou or Jack) increasing their bounty due to their level of threat, but with no way escalating it(Kid only had 15millions over Luffy preskip and it's harder to increase in bounty starting 300Millions). So while someone weaker can have higher bounty due to level of threat, it can still be an indicator of his strength. That's why i mentioned even regardless of the fact Jack is more threatening due to civils(it's not like Big Mom pirates don't destroy stuffs either to boot when we saw them killing people to have ingredients at the beginning of the arc), having higher bounty than 3sweet commanders is giving the beast Pirates incredible portrayal judging by their similar standing in the one piece world especially if he ends up being lower in the ladder in the Beast Pirate group
No one said it was necessarily the case. That's why i used the if-condition(while mainly factoring in Oda's naming of the rest of the calamities) countless times in my post.
Like he also could be the weakest if Oda follows the card game
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Cracker isn't stronger than DD and I thought it was obvious that Big mom was the weakest emperor so for her sweet commanders to be weaker than. The other yonko top tiers crew mates was obvious
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Uusop had a higher bounty than Sanji simply because Uusop is giving credit for exposing Dressrosa and DD himself hyped Uusop up with that high ass reward for catching him. Put it into perspective. Uusop has actually been useful to the straw hats post time skip Sanji has not.Right now Usopp has a higher bounty than Sanji.... let that sink in.. lol
Bounties =/= Strength
Higher bounty character =/= Stronger than lower bounty character
Order of introduction =/= order of strongest either.. as seen with Mihawk being the first Shichibukai we were introduced to..
Jack could very well be the strongest Calamity.. it's up in the air right now..
And a sweet commander with a bounty lower than 1 billion can still defeat Jack..
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He ain't do jack shit in Punk hazard. He failed to protect his own crew at Dressrosa and was saved by Law. He got captured and tooken away and now he's gonna get married. Sanji role after time skip was bleek.
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What basis is jack or cracker confirmed to b >doffy
I will say cracker has better ardament but how is that everything to look at ... what was shown to take out cracker is drastically inferior to what it took to defeat doffy
Jack stamina beast but again he's basically fearless yet u rank him over doffy
Doffy feats and hype put him on the level of a yonko commander why is that hard to believe I don't see why not
As for these bounties it's unclear when exactly doffy became a warlord but his bounty was frozen for period of time I wanna c what his bounty is after everything is said and done
Manipulating entire government, running biggest underground dealings in OP vers, illegally having one of his underlings expierence to on restricted area as well as kid napping children to do those experiements.
Selling loads of artificial Df to world government enemies
munipulating entire country kidnapping thousands of warriors and figures and hiding them away as toys
kidnapping a king
Raising his hand (well foot) against admiral
Using his status to print out false stories of him resigning
Stealing from the holly land and mocking them in their face
Hiding a lot of military war fire arms and weapons
Among a whole lot of other shit in addition to his physical feats and the secret he knows of the world nobels that was said to shake the world which is why they gave him back his royal status (in weird way)
There's so much shit that he has done and ****ed with which is why his down fall was drawn out the way it did it opened up a lot of duckery which is about to happen
Sorry but the stuff that doffy has accomplished behind the scenes is more then just terrifying cities and killing off population
Bogard if u think doffy bounty will not go up (as did jinbe's did) in some way from the 340 mill bounty (that I believe is close to zoro who has not done even remotely the stuff doffy has done) your being delusional as ****
My personal opinion doffy > cracker because cracker doesn't like pain and doffy can hit him by Turning terrain into string or using his biscuts against cracker as they have no will to break free ...:|
Jack is not really debate because there is no feats to compare aside from jack being stamina beast
Again this is my opinion which you are entitled to your opinion but why is it hard to believe dofflamingo is commander level and can contend with likes of ppl like Cracker Jack jozu vista Marco sabo (rev commander) etc
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Parasite works by wrapping around the limbs. You've brought up this nonsense before, the technique works on limbs, not brains.
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Parasite works by attaching itself to the victim's spine in order to control their movements. The biscuit soldiers don't have spines since they're literally just biscuits, so Parasite wouldn't work on them.
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What am I supposed to be seeing here? Every time we see Parasite used, Doffy attaches the string to the top of the spine.
Even if Parasite could work on the biscuit soldiers, what makes you think Doffy's ability to control them via Parasite would override Cracker's ability to control them via his DF?
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Parasite does work in accordance with the brain
Law suggested one way to stop someone who is under parasite control is to knock him out unconscious. So it clearly has something to do with brain control. The other strings attached on the body are most likely to facilitate a better control both for weak or strong targets
Also Cracker is stronger than Doflamingo because Doflamingo got raped by Boundman when Luffy was continuously pressured even with Boundman by Cracker during 11hours where he couldn't even use his main power(because of Nami's rain) which was instead replenishing Luffy everytime, and having his direction altered by the homies in the forest, to the point it required a situational mode for him to be defeated
Not going to bother with the rest of the wanking though
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Law suggested one way to stop someone who is under parasite control is to knock him out unconscious. So it clearly has something to do with brain control. The other strings attached on the body are most likely to facilitate a better control both for weak or strong targets
Also Cracker is stronger than Doflamingo because Doflamingo got raped by Boundman when Luffy was continuously pressured even with Boundman by Cracker during 11hours where he couldn't even use his main power(because of Nami's rain) which was instead replenishing Luffy everytime, and having his direction altered by the homies in the forest, to the point it required a situational mode for him to be defeated
Not going to bother with the rest of the wanking though
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It works on limbs
Jozu is physically stronger then doffy yet was unable to free himself (please don't tell me he chose to stay that way when his crew mate was about to b executed )
Luffy it looked like he did something different whether it be the expanding of his body or kings Haki we don't know yet
But it should def work against biscuits I mean it goes around their limbs and he has caught Luffy sanji jozu etc all who should be physically stronger then a biscuit...
Edit: I retract my statement bogard proved me wrong with the attachment to brain thing I didn't remember that but he showed scans etc however I still believe doffy is stronger then cracker he doesn't even have to deal with he biscuits if he stays in the air ..
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And then either retconned or shown more clearly later that it works through wrapping around their limbs.
I guess the 30 minutes Luffy spent running from Doflamingo means nothing. Luffy only lasted 11 hours against Cracker because Nami was able to soften the Crackers for Luffy to eat, allowing his nutrients/calories to be replenished to maintain Gear 4.
You can't compare normal situations to situations where Luffy had a circumstantial boost not readily available and external from himself.
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Jozu was in Parasite for literally only a few seconds and he didn't know why he was unable to move.
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It wouldn't make sense if that conversation between Doffy and Croc lasted an entire minute. It was just Doffy asking Croc to join him and Croc saying no, so it should have been only a few seconds. Besides, how do you think Jozu became free from Parasite after Croc used Sables? Do you think Doffy just let him go?
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Yeah? What use did Doffy have for him next. He wasn't actively fighting, just observing for the most part