[VS] Yonko Marshall D. Teach VS. Fleet Admiral Akainu

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Countering Sengoku is WB best feat Na? Teach after timeskip is much stronger due to his new knowledge and and mastery over both his df.

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] sends a healthy Akainu to his knees.

And yet Teach ran away from Akainu, saying he was too weak to fight him.

 

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And yet Teach ran away from Akainu, saying he was too weak to fight him.

That was pre timeskip Teach are you implying that BB didn't get any stronger after the timeskip?

 

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That was pre timeskip Teach are you implying that BB didn't get any stronger after the timeskip?

Did you link a feat from post-skip Teach or pre-skip Teach?

 

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Did you link a feat from post-skip Teach or pre-skip Teach?

Teach hasn't been in a fight since the timeskip. Do i have to link something from Teach i think that's irrelevant when it's quite clear that he got stronger.

 

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Teach hasn't been in a fight since the timeskip. Do i have to link something from Teach i think that's irrelevant when it's quite clear that he got stronger.

You can't say "Teach has gotten better since the timeskip" as justification for him being better than Akainu. Unless you can show actual feats from after the timeskip, then whatever he can do after the timeskip is irrelevant to this discussion. We can either go from what we've seen Teach do, or we leave it as inconclusive. Saying that because Teach has gotten stronger after the timeskip means he's gotten stronger than Akainu is a fallacy.

 

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You can't say "Teach has gotten better since the timeskip" as justification for him being better than Akainu. Unless you can show actual feats from after the timeskip, then whatever he can do after the timeskip is irrelevant to this discussion. We can either go from what we've seen Teach do, or we leave it as inconclusive. Saying that because Teach has gotten stronger after the timeskip means he's gotten stronger than Akainu is a fallacy.

That sound retarded af. Even if we go by feats BB after getting could possibly beat Akainu. What do u mean fallacy when it's clear that the timeskip was to produce more strength to the worst generation and BB who just got a new df has plenty off areas to grow on simply based of that so that fact that BB even got a tad bit stronger puts him above Akainu who didn't get any stronger. Ill argue that based from feats BB with 2df beats Akainu.

 

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That sound retarded af.

No it's not. "Teach has gotten stronger after the timeskip, therefore he would now defeat Akainu" is a logical fallacy for more than one reason.

1. What proof is there that Teach's increase in strength places him higher than Akainu as opposed to him getting stronger, but not stronger enough to surpass Akainu?

2. What proof is there that Akainu hasn't also gotten stronger than he was in the past, and kept the gap between him and Blackbeard a constant?

Even if we go by feats BB after getting could possibly beat Akainu.

Possible? Yes. Likely? No. Teach's greatest feat was the same as the final Quake that Whitebeard hit Akainu with, and that Quake wasn't enough to even severely damage Akainu while hitting him at point-blank range.

What do u mean fallacy when it's clear that the timeskip was to produce more strength to the worst generation

Blackbeard and the Supernova do NOT have the same growth pattern. At the end of the timeskip, Teach was capable of injuring Sengoku. He had already been a pirate for a Yonko for decades and was well into his 40s. None of the Supernovas were even close to that kind of level. Just because they increased in strength tremendously doesn't mean that Teach has since he's already been building strength far before them, reaching the level of being able to injure Sengoku while they were stuck struggling against Pacifsta.

and BB who just got a new df has plenty off areas to grow on simply based of that

Teach was busting out the same power that Whitebeard was. The only thing he lacked due to his inexperience was the ability to control that raw power, but he already has as much power with the Quakes as Whitebeard did due to knowing about its abilities like the back of his hand before he got the fruit.

so that fact that BB even got a tad bit stronger puts him above Akainu who didn't get any stronger.

The fallacy returns, you don't know that Akainu didn't get stronger.

 

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No it's not. "Teach has gotten stronger after the timeskip, therefore he would now defeat Akainu" is a logical fallacy for more than one reason.

1. What proof is there that Teach's increase in strength places him higher than Akainu as opposed to him getting stronger, but not stronger enough to surpass Akainu?

2. What proof is there that Akainu hasn't also gotten stronger than he was in the past, and kept the gap between him and Blackbeard a constant?

Im saying that because prior to Teach completely mastering the Gura Gura he still has the power to take out Akainu give him two years to learn his powers and he gets the job done no questions asked. Akainu getting stronger wouldn't make any sense at all. Akainu is already past his prime for one.

2- Im positive as an Admiral he's already mastered all the Haki he was ever going to get.

3- Unlike Teach Akainu didn't get any new df to master during the time skip. Also that would imply everyone got stronger of these two years which is retarded af considering it would render the worst generation training useless. Face it Akainu has no reason to get stronger during the time skip and there's nothing suggesting that he could improve with considering he's in his 50th's so him getting stronger Haki is very unlikely. Maybe if he was in his early 30 he'd been stronger but 50+ Not happening.

Possible? Yes. Likely? No. Teach's greatest feat was the same as the final Quake that Whitebeard hit Akainu with, and that Quake wasn't enough to even severely damage Akainu while hitting him at point-blank range.

Yep that impressive for Teach considering he just got the fruit now lets think for a sec once Teach master the Gura Gura he would be able to produce a much stronger punch probably punches even comparable to younger WB punches unless you think WB was still pushing out the same level quakes 30years ago? Akainu was put down BB would then get close and proceed to pound a dazed and slumped Akainu till he's defeated.

Blackbeard and the Supernova do NOT have the same growth pattern. At the end of the timeskip, Teach was capable of injuring Sengoku. He had already been a pirate for a Yonko for decades and was well into his 40s. None of the Supernovas were even close to that kind of level. Just because they increased in strength tremendously doesn't mean that Teach has since he's already been building strength far before them, reaching the level of being able to injure Sengoku while they were stuck struggling against Pacifsta.

Year BB had a lot of experience but let's not forget BB got two new DF within a year which means over the course of two years he'd have a lot to improve on with his original df as well.

Teach was busting out the same power that Whitebeard was. The only thing he lacked due to his inexperience was the ability to control that raw power, but he already has as much power with the Quakes as Whitebeard did due to knowing about its abilities like the back of his hand before he got the fruit.

The fallacy returns, you don't know that Akainu didn't get stronger.

Yes Teach was busting out the same power level as a 70+ WB with experience he'd be busting out quakes comparable to a younger WB.

 

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Im saying that because prior to Teach completely mastering the Gura Gura he still has the power to take out Akainu

This by itself is false. The greatest feat every produced from the Gura Gura no Mi was displayed on Akainu, and it failed to take him out. To think that an inexperienced Blackbeard would produce something greater to take out Akainu is illogical.

give him two years to learn his powers and he gets the job done no questions asked. Akainu getting stronger wouldn't make any sense at all. Akainu is already past his prime for one.

All Blackbeard has to learn is control. He's already produced just as much power as Whitebeard's strongest Quake, who had the fruit for decades, so it's illogical to assume that Blackbeard would produce more power over the fruit.

2- Im positive as an Admiral he's already mastered all the Haki he was ever going to get.

You say as though it's impossible for one to increase their physical stats or develop new techniques.

3- Unlike Teach Akainu didn't get any new df to master during the time skip. Also that would imply everyone got stronger of these two years which is retarded af considering it would render the worst generation training useless. Face it Akainu has no reason to get stronger during the time skip and there's nothing suggesting that he could improve with considering he's in his 50th's so him getting stronger Haki is very unlikely. Maybe if he was in his early 30 he'd been stronger but 50+ Not happening.

It's funny that you say early 30s is the time to get stronger, and then say Teach, the 40-year-old man, definitely got super super stronger.

Yep that impressive for Teach considering he just got the fruit now lets think for a sec once Teach master the Gura Gura he would be able to produce a much stronger punch

Zero indication of this.

probably punches even comparable to younger WB punches unless you think WB was still pushing out the same level quakes 30years ago?

He was. Throughout the war, it was stated that Whitebeard's stamina and reflexes decreased. Both Tsuru and Sengoku commented that in his old age, WB still had the power to destroy the world, indicating that his Quakes didn't get any weaker.

Akainu was put down BB would then get close and proceed to pound a dazed and slumped Akainu till he's defeated.

Or, he'd throw a magma attack at Blackbeard as he's being pulled like Ace did with his fire spears, or as Akainu did to Whitebeard's face while in point-blank range.