Ying & Yang, The Shinju, and Madara

[jt1891]

So, this is a theory that I've thought up after rereading a few older chapters. It's a bit more speculative than I like, but that's half the fun. In chapt 625, during Hashirama's flashback sequence, Madara tells Hashirama a portion of what the Uchiha Tablet says.

"Looking for stability, one God was divided into Yin & Yang. The action of the two opposing forces created all things in Nature."

At first glance, this looks like it could be about the Sage and how he dealt with the Shinju. However, I think this refers to something entirely different. Primarily, because 'all things in nature' already existed well before the Sage ever split the Shinju's chakra from it's physical form. So it could be alluding to something else. Instead, I think this message is about a primordial being, of which the Shinju was originally a part.

Why? When the Ten-Tails was first revived, Kurama told Naruto that it was the 'Progenitor of All That Exists'. Yet later it was revealed that the Ten-Tails was an instinctual creature lacking thoughts or feelings, and that it's original form was the Shinju, which seemed to be entirely passive until Kaguya ate it's fruit. It's hard to see how such a being could be responsible for the creation of the world on it's own.

Furthermore, throughout the series, trees have been strongly linked with 'Yang'. For example; Hashirama, representing the 'Yang' aspect of the Sage's power, possessed the ability to manipulate trees. Naruto, who possessed the Yang Chakra of the Nine-Tails, induced strong reactions in trees when he accessed it's power. I don't think the fact that the Shinju is a tree is a coincidence.

So essentially, it's possible that the Shinju is the Yang aspect of the primordial being that was 'divided'. This means that there is a being that embodies the Yin aspect as well.

And this is where Madara comes in. Madara is absolutely confident in his ability to take control of the Shinju and ultimately the Infinite Tsukiyomi. Yet the question is how? He can't be planning to become it's Jinchuuriki. He no longer has a way to restore his body, and it seems to be beyond that point anyways. So what's his trump card? My guess is that it's the Shinju's Yin-based counterpart.

We know that it's possible for shinobi to summon spiritual beings, the Shiki Fuujin proves that. More importantly, from Minato we also know that it's possible for an Edo Tensei to be a Jinchuuriki, if the sealed being involved is Yin-based. So Madara could be planning to summon the Shinju's spiritual counterpart to become it's Jinchuuriki. As Yin represents the mind, this could allow him to take control despite Obito's status.

In all likelihood, I'm probably wrong, but most theories turn out that way regardless.

 

[kronoseth]

i think you just contradicted yourself there. he cant become juubi's jinjuruki coz he is an edo, but minato can be an edo and a jinjuruki, also madara wants to becme a jinjuruki in his edo form? _@:

 

[linxekim]

Madara wants the fruit to control the Shinju. Basically becoming the Juubi's host was to plant it to become the god tree. Becoming the host is obviously the best option but it wasn't needed. That's why Madara wasn't worried about not being revived by edo tensei and not becoming its host.

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[jt1891]

i think you just contradicted yourself there. he cant become juubi's jinjuruki coz he is an edo, but minato can be an edo and a jinjuruki, also madara wants to becme a jinjuruki in his edo form? _@:

Not really. Madara stated that he couldn't become the Ten-Tails Jinchuuriki as an Edo Tensei.

But Minato, despite his current state, is still capable of housing a Tailed Beast. Why is that? His version of the Nine-Tails is made purely of Yin Chakra, and the Shiki Fuujin bound it to his very soul rather than his body. Madara could potentially do the same with a similar spiritual being, such as the Shinju's Yin counterpart that I've theorized.

Also, I've already dealt with the Fruit theories here:

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To sum it up; Madara clearly stated that it takes 1000 years for the Shinju to produce the Fruit. The problem is, the Shinju has not existed since the days of the Sage of Six Paths. It wasn't capable of cultivating anything. Thus, all of these theories about how Madara/Oro/Sasuke/The Ramen Guy want to steal the fruit and eat it are nonstarters.

Also, even if the tree was capable of producing the fruit and Madara did manage to eat it, that wouldn't help him control the Shinju. It's a power-up, not a control panel. If eating the fruit gave that ability, Kaguya could have simply controlled the Shinju and put it back to sleep.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Not really. Madara stated that he couldn't become the Ten-Tails Jinchuuriki as an Edo Tensei.

But Minato, despite his current state, is still capable of housing a Tailed Beast. Why is that? His version of the Nine-Tails is made purely of Yin Chakra, and the Shiki Fuujin bound it to his very soul rather than his body. Madara could potentially do the same with a similar spiritual being, such as the Shinju's Yin counterpart that I've theorized.

Also, I've already dealt with the Fruit theories here:

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To sum it up; Madara clearly stated that it takes 1000 years for the Shinju to produce the Fruit. The problem is, the Shinju has not existed since the days of the Sage of Six Paths. It wasn't capable of cultivating anything. Thus, all of these theories about how Madara/Oro/Sasuke/The Ramen Guy want to steal the fruit and eat it are nonstarters.

Also, even if the tree was capable of producing the fruit and Madara did manage to eat it, that wouldn't help him control the Shinju. It's a power-up, not a control panel. If eating the fruit gave that ability, Kaguya could have simply controlled the Shinju and put it back to sleep.

good explanation. one flaw though. the other 6 edo jins.

 

[edo tensai wilmaso]

good explanation. one flaw though. the other 6 edo jins.

Lmao wow ummm there is something called the Gedo mazo and black rods ... They were brought back edo than obito using the Gedo mazo put back the tailed beast in them and used the black rods and chackra chains to control the tailed beast.

 

[jt1891]

good explanation. one flaw though. the other 6 edo jins.

That is a problem, but not just for this theory. It's an inconsistency within the series itself. But it does have a possible explanation. The Jinchuuriki were not simple Edo Tensei. They were also Obito's Paths, and the Tailed Beasts were somehow still connected to the Gedo Mazo. So they weren't true Jinchuuriki in the usual sense of the word.