[Discussion] Yet another possibility for Ch. 658 Susano'o

[Mr Hiru]

We know that Yin energy is made based on Imagination and Spiritual Power (Mind powers if you like). This Yin power let the user create things from nothingness.

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We also know that the Elder Son's bloodline inherited special eyes, and spiritual energy + powerful chakra.

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So, if logic serves me right... someone that has enough imagination, spiritual power and in consequence powerful chakra... he can create things from nothingness.

Susano'o is a manifestation of the user's mind. The eyes only reflects the feelings.

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Thanks to VariaBossX for pointing this!

So, considering that Madara is an expert in the use of Susano'o... why should he need the eyes to create a Susano'o?

The answer of this theory:

A MS/EMS user needs the eyes to project a technique, not to use it. This user needs to know where will he put the technique, and MS/EMS is the mean for this purpose.

It's not farfetched if you consider Shisui could use his MS technique without activating his MS in first place. He only used Yin power. This also applies to Itachi who used Susano'o against Sasuke, but he deactivated his MS while mantaining his Susano'o.

Thoughts?

 

[FireBird Marco]

A battle between the 2 son's of the H69 would be nice; in the anime that is!
The younger kid looks gdlk

 

[Dark Matter Thief]

Seems legit. I'm started to think that he mastered Yin and Yang when he awakened his Rinnegan.

 

[theacknowledgedone]

The changing of they eyes from 1T, 2T, 3T and MS act as symbols showing that they are strong enough to use the abilities hidden within the individual. Their emotion is there strength, not the eyes. If they eyes were the source of the power then Obito should have been able to use Susanoo having Madara's eyes no problem. However, he couldn't so the power must come from within the user. I agree with you, just wanted to add some of my thoughts to this.

 

[Ryr]

Seems legit. I'm started to think that he mastered Yin and Yang when he awakened his Rinnegan.

I think Zetsu was created with Yin Yang release. So yes he mastered it.

 

[VongolaX]

That's exactly what it is, people just want plausible theories instead of reading the manga itself.

Uchiha eyes are a reflection of they're feelings, they're yin power is inside the mind/head

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[Mr Hiru]

Seems legit. I'm started to think that he mastered Yin and Yang when he awakened his Rinnegan.

I have the same feeling. Thanks for supporting.

The changing of they eyes from 1T, 2T, 3T and MS act as symbols showing that they are strong enough to use the abilities hidden within the individual. Their emotion is there strength, not the eyes. If they eyes were the source of the power then Obito should have been able to use Susanoo having Madara's eyes no problem. However, he couldn't so the power must come from within the user. I agree with you, just wanted to add some of my thoughts to this.

That's the reason I made the thread, thanks for sharing your thoughts. I'm glad we agree.

I think Zetsu was created with Yin Yang release. So yes he mastered it.

Zetsu was harvested from Hashirama's cells using the Gedou Mazou as catalyst.

That's exactly what it is, people just want plausible theories instead of reading the manga itself.

Uchiha eyes are a reflection of they're feelings, they're yin power is inside the mind/head

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That's what I missed in my theory. I'll add it, since it is important to state facts. Thanks for pointing this.

 

[Rikudou Sennin balls]

Could be why he's able to absorb Jutsu.

 

[Mr Hiru]

Could be why he's able to absorb Jutsu.

I really don't know what to say about this. My theory relates towards how was Madara able to use Susano'o without the EMS/Rinnegan.

 

[iKaras]

Then why every time edo madara use susanoo, he'd activate EMS as if he had to in order to summon it?

Just rock out with 3 Tomoe since it should be just as effective.

Same thing with sausage and his black flames.

 

[Naijakid]

Its plothole.........simple

 

[Yashiro]

Or he just herped derped and it happened

 

[Mr Hiru]

Or he just herped derped and it happened

Lol so magical XD. But no, I don't think so.

Its plothole.........simple

Occam's Razor only works if you have basic supporting.

Then why every time edo madara use susanoo, he'd activate EMS as if he had to in order to summon it?

Just rock out with 3 Tomoe since it should be just as effective.

Same thing with sausage and his black flames.

Under the perspective of this theory, the EMS is to focus on the affected area, not to execute the technique. The difference between stages of the sharingan is how sensitive the eye becomes to percieve the envirovment, or to see chakra networks, just like when Sasuke was balancing his enton with Naruto's Rasen Shuriken.

Questions:

- How could Shisui use his MS without his target realizing him/her was under genjutsu? (no eye activation)
- How could Itachi mantain his Susano'o when he deactivated his Sharingan on his battle against Sasuke
- How could Madara use the Susano'o without having eyes implanted
- How was Itachi's Crow able to use Shisui's Mangekyo Sharingan?

My theory only tries to collect data to reach a logic answer, and in this case, the answer was Yin power.

 

[iKaras]

- How could Shisui use his MS without his target realizing him/her was under genjutsu? (no eye activation)

But his eye is/was active proven at the summit arc when the byakugan seen Danzo using it. The chakra was there.

- How could Itachi mantain his Susano'o when he deactivated his Sharingan on his battle against Sausage?

I don't believe he "deactivated" it, rather his eyes were running on E. He still had enough vision to nail Oro with the Totsuka blade.

- How could Madara use the Susano'o without having eyes implanted?

Because trolol happened and we gotta take it to the chin like a champ.

- How was Itachi's Crow able to use Shisui's Mangekyo Sharingan?

It didn't. Edo Itachi activated the crow inside Naruto to break free from Edo tensei control. That and it already had a set timer on Sausage.(This one is weird too~)


The manga up until today has made it clear that the both MS eyes or above had to be activated for the user to trigger his or her Susanoo.

This chapter pissed all over that.

 

[Mr Hiru]

- How could Shisui use his MS without his target realizing him/her was under genjutsu? (no eye activation)

But his eye is/was active proven at the summit arc when the byakugan seen Danzo using it. The chakra was there.

- How could Itachi mantain his Susano'o when he deactivated his Sharingan on his battle against Sausage?

I don't believe he "deactivated" it, rather his eyes were running on E. He still had enough vision to nail Oro with the Totsuka blade.

- How could Madara use the Susano'o without having eyes implanted?

Because trolol happened and we gotta take it to the chin like a champ.

- How was Itachi's Crow able to use Shisui's Mangekyo Sharingan?

It didn't. Edo Itachi activated the crow inside Naruto to break free from Edo tensei control. That and it already had a set timer on Sausage.(This one is weird too~)


The manga up until today has made it clear that the both MS eyes or above had to be activated for the user to trigger his or her Susanoo.

This chapter pissed all over that.

I edited my answer so you can see the difference I see. Activating the MS/EMS makes sense to percieve things, it doesn't make sense for executing the jutsu. The organ who sprouts the special chakra are not the eyes, it is the brain (that aside, I was talking about Shisui, not Danzou).

If you look things under this perspective, Madara deactivating/absorbing Sasuke's amaterasu or him using Susano'o without eyes just makes sense.

 

[iKaras]

I edited my answer so you can see the difference I see. Activating the MS/EMS makes sense to percieve things, it doesn't make sense for executing the jutsu. The organ who sprouts the special chakra are not the eyes, it is the brain (that aside, I was talking about Shisui, not Danzou).

If you look things under this perspective, Madara deactivating/absorbing Sasuke's amaterasu or him using Susano'o without eyes just makes sense.

I used Danzo as an example because no one in the room could tell a genjutsu was taking place right before their eyes except the dude with the stolen byakugan (Can't remember his name) And the reason why he could tell is because the byakugan could see Shisui's eye was emamating chakra.

Everything else I totally give up on, I'll just wait for Kishi to clean up his mess.

 

[adeshina365]

This seems highly likely, nice thread.

 

[Mr Hiru]

I used Danzo as an example because no one in the room could tell a genjutsu was taking place right before their eyes except the dude with the stolen byakugan (Can't remember his name) And the reason why he could tell is because the byakugan could see Shisui's eye was emamating chakra.

Everything else I totally give up on, I'll just wait for Kishi to clean up his mess.

Believe me, we both are in the same situation. I only killed some time trying to make sense from that mess.

This seems highly likely, nice thread.

Thanks for the support, bro.