Yellow Flash vs 3rd Raikage

[A v i]

@bold, I said that? Where?

You are concerned about that point of all things? What if you didn't said that? That's is what you were trying to imply in your prv posts. You clearly used Raikage's battle with Hachibi as a reference to support your claim and Hachibi fought him on more than one occasion according to manga.

Yes. TBB has shown more impressive range cover, thats it. Prove it that it is stronger then FRS. Otherwise conceded that it can match the effects of FRS.

I have no words bro.Do want me to post the scan in which same Naruto who attacked Raikage with FRS tried to use TBB on him despite of knowing the fact that he tanked FRS?

Thats call in inconsistent reanimated drawing. Kishimoto is ok to not having to draw cracks every single time. Kishimoto will make it clear when damage output to a Edo is being input. So once again your just nitpicking a picture and already ignoring that he already took a much powerful attack, which Naruto stated "not even a scratch".

Those excuses aren't going to work here.So Kishi decided to craw cracks in that panel yet he forgot to draw cracks on other locations of his hand exept the part around the Rasengan.

Minato has shown that he can teleport anything touching one of his tagged kunai's. He simply tosses the kunai and raikage then sends teleports him to the tag iin the ocean. Raikage loses by BFR U_U.

Ha ha I though that would be considered as preparation.Zzz

Or, Minato uses RDS because apparently it's now acceptable that suicide move = victory if you survive a few minutes after your opponent is dead.

Lmao,seems like Gai fans managed to made major changes in VS section.

Other than that, I'm sure he can find a way with a combination of toads, seals and rasengan. Maybe he does what naruto did, who knows.

IMO FCD should work on him.I mean it may not be able to kill him or hurt him badly but should be able to atleast force him to deactivate his defence.

 

[Bogard]

The qustion is how can Minato hurt 3rd?

Why do people always forget Pa/Ma? :eww:

 

[Brother Numpsay]

You concerned about that point of all things? What if you didn't said that? That's is what you were trying to imply in your prv posts. You clearly used Raikage's battle with Hachibi as a reference to support your claim and Hachibi fought him on more than one occasion according to manga.

Of course I am concern. I am sure no one here likes people putting words into peoples mouths. All I used was a statement Hachibi use to support my claim, which was implied, tanking a TBB. Noting more nothing less

I have no words bro.Do want me to post the scan in which same Naruto who attacked Raikage with FRS tried to use TBB on him despite of knowing the fact that he tanked FRS?

No because that wouldn't change the point. He was hoping it will scar him enough to be sealed away, which is why he asked a the question on how he got scared in the first place. We already seen what a TBB Rasengan can do[

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Those excuses aren't going to work here.So Kishi decided to craw cracks in that panel yet he forgot to draw cracks on other locations of his hand exept the part around the Rasengan.

Nope, I can show you every zoom in where he has cracks in his arms. [

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[AGoodBoy]

@roroblahblah: Yea FCD should at least stun him for a second IMO but i don't know about making him drop his defenses.
Spiral flash howl though... That may be able to work. As far as the name and the initial method of it suggests, it seems that the jutsu works by placing kunai around the target then FTG blitzing them between every kunai completely riddling them with hits. He could use that to maybe slap a few odd-even seals on 3rd raikage to completely muck up his chakra control - like oro did to naruto when he placed on odd numbered seal on naruto's even numbered one.

 

[KCN]

Ok you just mentioned that he used it twice on his son yet I never gave him any pain nor discomfort to his son when he used it (don't say he was crying as a baby every baby cries)..so if its not knocking out naruto you think is gonna effect the 3rd raikage with his steel body structure? Even if it disturbs his chakra remember when kabuto got hit by tsunades nervous system attack and she said you'll never get to respond correctly yet he was able to decipher it.. what says the raikage can or can't figure it out we don't know much about the guy we can ASSUME that he's all muscle no brain but who knows maybe his intelligence is on kakashis level or he can be like kibas level and My Assumption has me believe he has great chakra control since he fought for days and to go toe the toe with a tailed beast without stuff such as chakra absorption just brute strength? That's insane

But about the databook once multiple things are wrong with any book in my eyes its irrelevant like the Christian bible or American history etc. Just my opinion

no offense but you clearly havent got a clue what you are on about. im talking about sealing him and you mention pain and disrupting chakra? it's a seal. it isnt meant to hurt him, it's meant to seal him. a seal which not you or anybody else has countered. not only that, but you go on to speculate for the rest of your post making everything you say irrelevant.

Minato bested who?

Ay having no prior knowledge quickly analyzed Minato's use of ftg.

Bee predicted his movements and countered ftg.

The fact of the matter IS, your scan is meaningless and BEE already dehyped Minato's use of ftg.

minato bested both ay and bee. he was the clear superior in their confrontation. had ay sweating, needed bee to save him, cut bees tentacle, dodged ay's blitz twice etc.. minato was the superior.

yet was about to get shanked if bee didnt jump in.

he didnt dehype anything. he predicted minato's movements and you cannot give that feat over to sandaime.

OT - not one person has countered minato's shishou fuin. until then, minato wins. safe.

 

[A v i]

Of course I am concern. I am sure no one here likes people putting words into peoples mouths. All I used was a statement Hachibi use to support my claim, which was implied, tanking a TBB. Noting more nothing less

It is not going to change anything as your whole argument is mainly based on his battle with Hachibi and as I have explained b4 Hachibi wouldn't have considered the point of TBB if it won't work on him.Even if you didn't implied it,Hachibi fighting 3rd on more than one occasion is a well known truth.

No because that wouldn't change the point. He was hoping it will scar him enough to be sealed away, which is why he asked a the question on how he got scared in the first place. We already seen what a TBB Rasengan can do[

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The very fact that Naruto thought that it can do something to Raikage even after knowing the fact that FRS couldn't hurt him means that Naruto belives that TBB is stronger than FRS.Nothing suggests that Naruto was trying to use mini TBB so that point is irrelevant.If Naruto really tried to use mini TBB like you were implying then that means that Mini TBB > FRS according to Naruto.

Nope, I can show you every zoom in where he has cracks in his arms. [

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Good points.I'll take them into account.

@roroblahblah: Yea FCD should at least stun him for a second IMO but i don't know about making him drop his defenses.
Spiral flash howl though... That may be able to work. As far as the name and the initial method of it suggests, it seems that the jutsu works by placing kunai around the target then FTG blitzing them between every kunai completely riddling them with hits. He could use that to maybe slap a few odd-even seals on 3rd raikage to completely muck up his chakra control - like oro did to naruto when he placed on odd numbered seal on naruto's even numbered one.

@Bold: You are a bad boy.:devil: You know I created this alt just to get that name.

Iam sure that attack with long ass name is strong as hell.Someone like Minato thought that it can hurt Juubito despite of being aware of the fact that Tobirama's suicide attack did 0 damage to his body.

Why do people always forget Pa/Ma? :eww:

I don't get it either.Not just Ma and Pa,in most cases people don't even consider summons in case of Minato.I don't think Minato needs to go that far to beat him but since this is VS section,we have no choice to use toads summons.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

It is not going to change anything as your whole argument is mainly based on his battle with Hachibi and as I have explained b4 Hachibi wouldn't have considered the point of TBB if it won't work on him.Even if you didn't implied it,Hachibi fighting 3rd on more than one occasion is a well known truth.

Actually my whole argument has stated Raikage's resilience isn't any less to a Buijuu, which one acknowledges. While manga proof shows all Buijuus can tank this bomb. Therefore he should take one too.

The very fact that Naruto thought that it can do something to Raikage even after knowing the fact that FRS couldn't hurt him means that Naruto belives that TBB is stronger than FRS.Nothing suggests that Naruto was trying to use mini TBB so that point is irrelevant.If Naruto really tried to use mini TBB like you were implying then that means that Mini TBB > FRS according to Naruto.

1. That only means will be more effective for this occasion not that it is stronger as a whole. Both jutsu have different damage priorities, which is what I was getting at.

2. Naruto can't throw/launch a Buijuudama without going BM, fact.

Why do people always forget Pa/Ma? :eww:

Because they're requirements to summon them as in all specific chakra requirements to summon certain summon rule.

/if that makes sense.

 

[Bogard]

Because they're requirements to summon them as in all specific chakra requirements to summon certain summon rule.

/if that makes sense.

What are the requirements? It's not like they have to sign a different contract or anything. Kishimoto said a contract with Gamabunta allows you to summon every toads. Pa and Ma are toads. I don't see why they would be exceptions. Ma showed no problems in summoning Pa/Naruto/Gamabunta in one go during Pain's attack because they have the same toad contract

Ma again summoned Naruto to meet Gamamaru, so i don't see the big deal here. I always understood the reason Jiraya took that long to summon them was because he wanted to directly be filled with natural energy by summoning and fusing them with his body instead of summoning them and wasting time to gather natural energy and fuse them afterwards puting them at a greater risk

Furthermore even if it was true, for a Hiraishin user it isn't a problem. He can decide to summon Gamabunta and give him one of his hiraishin tags so that when he reverse summon, he or his clone could directly teleport there to take them

 

[A v i]

Actually my whole argument has stated Raikage's resilience isn't any less to a Buijuu, which one acknowledges. While manga proof shows all Buijuus can tank this bomb. Therefore he should take one too.

You pulled that point using Hachibi's statement and Raikages battle with Hachibi as reference. Am I right?

1. That only means will be more effective for this occasion not that it is stronger as a whole. Both jutsu have different damage priorities, which is what I was getting at.

So you are admitting that TBB is effective than FRS against Raikage.I know that the way those attacks effect the target is different still it is not going to change anything here.TBB is far stronger than FRS and the feats from TBB's suggests that it works on Raikage.

2. Naruto can't throw/launch a Buijuudama without going BM, fact.

I don't think Naruto was aware of that point when he tried to use it against Raikage.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

What are the requirements? It's not like they have to sign a different contract or anything. Kishimoto said a contract with Gamabunta allows you to summon every toads. Pa and Ma are toads. I don't see why they would be exceptions. Ma showed no problems in summoning Pa/Naruto/Gamabunta in one go during Pain's attack because they have the same toad contract

Ma again summoned Naruto to meet Gamamaru, so i don't see the big deal here. I always understood the reason Jiraya took that long to summon them was because he wanted to directly be filled with natural energy by summoning and fusing them with his body instead of summoning them and wasting time to gather natural energy and fuse them afterwards puting them at a greater risk

Furthermore even if it was true, for a Hiraishin user it isn't a problem. He can decide to summon Gamabunta and give him one of his hiraishin tags so that when he reverse summon, he or his clone could directly teleport there to take them

Because it takes specific chakra requirement. You can't use the same chakra level to summon Bunta, like if you to summoning a tadpole. You already know I was going to use DB explaining how Jiraya did it(ritual and chakra built).

2. Sure you can use that premise if it doesn't counter as BFR.


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[DaileyM]

Minato wins.

 

[A v i]

Why can't Minato summon a fodder toad that works under Ma/Pa and mark it then order that toad to go back and teleport to Myoboku and teleport back to battle field with Ma & Pa? It saves him a lil bit of his chakra IMO.

 

[Bogard]

Because it takes specific chakra requirement. You can't use the same chakra level to summon Bunta, like if you to summoning a tadpole. You already know I was going to use DB explaining how Jiraya did it(ritual and chakra built).

2. Sure you can use that premise if it doesn't counter as BFR.


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1. The chakra requirement depends on the size. Gamabunta is the biggest toad. It's for that reason it takes more chakra for him, but Pa and Ma are small toads. The chakra requirement is therefore far smaller

2. Well summoning jutsu is a teleportation jutsu just like FTG. Don't see why it would count as such and then i also said he can use a clone if needed

Why can't Minato summon a fodder toad that works under Ma/Pa and mark it then order that toad to go back and teleport to Myoboku and teleport back to battle field with Ma & Pa? It saves him a lil bit of his chakra IMO.

Gamabunta was only an example. Obviously he won't waste that much chakra when he can spare a lot by summoning tadpoles

 

[ARGUS]

If minato has intel he wins jus like naruto
Without intel he most likely loses... Unless he seals the third off with RDS

 

[Erebus]

I think the 3rd takes this mid-high def.

 

[shelke]

Raikake murks this guy. He didn't even require the Shroud to be teleported via 'The Speed of Light' Transportation tech Mabui used. His flesh is called a shield for a reason. Even if Minato repeatedly hits him, he isn't killing third Raikage, who can not only sustain attacks from Hachibi, making toads a laughable matter, but can outlast Minato by ten thousand miles given their humongous Chakra reserves.

Raikage can easily outlast Minato and kill him with a single Hell Stab. I would love to see a simple decent counter for Minato, other than his fruity ass committing suicide to take the win.

 

[Latios]

Raikake murks this guy. He didn't even require the Shroud to be teleported via 'The Speed of Light' Transportation tech Mabui used. His flesh is called a shield for a reason. Even if Minato repeatedly hits him, he isn't killing third Raikage, who can not only sustain attacks from Hachibi, making toads a laughable matter, but can outlast Minato by ten thousand miles given their humongous Chakra reserves.

Raikage can easily outlast Minato and kill him with a single Hell Stab. I would love to see a simple decent counter for Minato, other than his fruity ass committing suicide to take the win.

I wonder if it is possible to dodge the death seal. Even if he gets him with it, could he prevent him from pulling his soul out?

 

[shelke]

^ Possible. Orochimaru was able to fight it. Perhaps, Third Raikage can as well, given his sheer strength. I doubt Minato will be able to hold him for long.

 

[Conspirator.]

Raikake murks this guy. He didn't even require the Shroud to be teleported via 'The Speed of Light' Transportation tech Mabui used. His flesh is called a shield for a reason. Even if Minato repeatedly hits him, he isn't killing third Raikage, who can not only sustain attacks from Hachibi, making toads a laughable matter, but can outlast Minato by ten thousand miles given their humongous Chakra reserves.

Raikage can easily outlast Minato and kill him with a single Hell Stab. I would love to see a simple decent counter for Minato, other than his fruity ass committing suicide to take the win.

Yeah, the raikage outlasts alive minato IMO. The bottom line is that Minato has zero ways to put down the raikage permanently. Furthermore, people forget that the raikage KNEW what occurred during the hachibi fight(so Minato having intel won't help), so I doubt he would even use his one fingered nukite against someone faster than him.

 

[MinatoFLASH]

Raikake murks this guy. He didn't even require the Shroud to be teleported via 'The Speed of Light' Transportation tech Mabui used. His flesh is called a shield for a reason. Even if Minato repeatedly hits him, he isn't killing third Raikage, who can not only sustain attacks from Hachibi, making toads a laughable matter, but can outlast Minato by ten thousand miles given their humongous Chakra reserves.

Raikage can easily outlast Minato and kill him with a single Hell Stab. I would love to see a simple decent counter for Minato, other than his fruity ass committing suicide to take the win.

He can outlast Minato?? But how? Minato wont even be needing to use chakra. He can instantly dodge every attack from him and leave the battle field and instantly come back whenever he wants. He is also a genius and has marked smarter, faster opponents than 3rd who had intel on him lol he can mark the ape easily and come back whenever he wants with ma and pa and put him into a genjutsu and then it's gg. This is redic. .you ever thought of how Minato would even get hit? You think pretty one sided.