Yata no Kagami 八咫鏡

[Chīkara]

It's quite amusing how most people consider itachi invincible with this Spiritual weapon.
I firmly believe you can't expunge this weapon and yes, it sure is worth some approbation since it was able to defend itachi against Kirin the holy creature.

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Uchiha Itachi a man with unmeasured Power, but far from invincibility.

 

[Mellanoma]

People still don't understand the concept of ALL attacks

for Kamui wankers... Kamui stops kamui and Yata can become Kamui so hush

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

The Yata mirror can turn into any element a attack is composed of and nullify it,combined with the Totsuka Blade is what made Itachi invincible.And no summoning the weapons does'nt cost chakra because they were already part of Itachi's Susanoo.

 

[Chīkara]

The Yata mirror can turn into any element a attack is composed of and nullify it,combined with the Totsuka Blade is what made Itachi invincible.And no summoning the weapons does'nt cost chakra because they were already part of Itachi's Susanoo.

It cant block Genjutsu, Rinnegan technique's or Cacophony

 

[Helikido]

It cant block Genjutsu, Rinnegan technique's or Cacophony

All that falls justsu, so yes it can.

 

[Chīkara]

All that falls justsu, so yes it can.

Proof ? is this was true why he didn't use it at the itachi vs kabuto fight ?
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[Vegeto30294]

It can't block Sound Genjutsu, otherwise it would have to block all sound, and he wouldn't hear out of Susano'o.

It can't block White Rage Technique, otherwise it would have to block all light, and he wouldn't see out of Susano'o

It can't block poison gas, otherwise it would have to block oxygen as well, and he wouldn't breathe in Susano'o.

And then we have Totsuka Blade vs Yata Mirror. One says it can cut down any enemy, the other says it defends against all attacks. Only one can win.

 

[BlackFlame44]

People still don't understand the concept of ALL attacks

for Kamui wankers... Kamui stops kamui and Yata can become Kamui so hush

That's a no limits fallacy

If it can block all attacks prove it can

 

[KCMNaruto]

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Obito and Kabuto agree that there is downside to everything (not just every technique as Itachi said.)

so no limits fallacy hype around Yata and Totsuka don't count

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[cptenn94]

The Yata mirror can turn into any element a attack is composed of and nullify it,combined with the Totsuka Blade is what made Itachi invincible.And no summoning the weapons does'nt cost chakra because they were already part of Itachi's Susanoo.

And what is Susanoo made of? Chakra!

So if he needs to use Susanoo to use the weapons, what does he need to use the weapons? Chakra!

So to summon the weapons he needs to use Chakra.


And actually we dont actually know whether they use chakra or not(directly).
It was never stated or not stated whether the weapons cost additional chakra when used(additional chakra to the already taxing susanoo.)

So i rendered your statement null and void. As you have no proof to back up your claim, and your claim already has a inherent flaw.

But ya yata can block any elemental attack(as far as we know at least....narutos choodoma rasenshuriken might be to much though)

It is indeed a near invincible combination with Totsuka Blade, at least against elemental users(as it is likely not to be stronger than the sussanoo itself(ie a tsunade kick might crack it)(but it probably cant be broken permanently, just like sussanoo cant be broken permanently)

Only ninjas that have non elemental attacks stand a chance against yata mirror(assumeing itachi cant run out of chakra/he can use it all the time)

Totsuka blade i think is a bit overrated. It doesnt not have that strong of an offensive power(at least based off what we have seen), and its main strength comes from if it pierces someone(which could already be a deadly thing if done by a regular sword the same sized)

It is VERY op versus edos though. Because it doesnt require handseals, or wrapping stuff around a edo. All you gotta do is stab them, and they are sealed.

 

[Senju Bean]

The Yata mirror can turn into any element a attack is composed of and nullify it,combined with the Totsuka Blade is what made Itachi invincible.And no summoning the weapons does'nt cost chakra because they were already part of Itachi's Susanoo.

Not all attacks are made of elements.

It can't stop gravity as gravity isn't physical, it's a mysterious fluid that's like a ghost. It can't be shielded against whatsoever. Rinnegan>Yata.

 

[Draphsin]

I find it hilarious how people believe it can be bypassed with no proof whatsoever. Not only that but they're directly contradicting the manga. When yata's hype is contradicted, then it can be broken, as of now it has held up to its hype so saying that it can be broken/bypassed is false, contradictory, & can't be proven right.

Burden of proof is on whoever can find a scan of yata not doing what its been hyped to do.

 

[Senju Bean]

I find it hilarious how people believe it can be bypassed with no proof whatsoever. Not only that but they're directly contradicting the manga. When yata's hype is contradicted, then it can be broken, as of now it has held up to its hype so saying that it can be broken/bypassed is false, contradictory, & can't be proven right.

Burden of proof is on whoever can find a scan of yata not doing what its been hyped to do.

"It is said to be endowed with all nature transformations and as such changes its own characteristics to completely negate any opposition."

That is what is stated. But it can only stop opposition. Physical force or Ninjutsu. Element based things. Stuff of the physical plane. Can it stop magic? no. because it isnt opposition. it simply is chaos of any order and Yata is a ordered system. Also, it can't stop Rinnegan gravity because it isn't opposition. Its not a force or a shockwave. It is the simple movement of things with no mechanism. Its gravity which makes it like magic like. It can't be blocked because isn't a actual thing.

It like Yagmi light writing Itachi's name in the death note. How can the mirror with any combination of nature transformation stop reality bending things?

It can't. So it can't stop Rinnegan which is basically magic like. Gravity, control over life and death, COAT. these can't be stopped.

 

[Draphsin]

"It is said to be endowed with all nature transformations and as such changes its own characteristics to completely negate any opposition."

First of all, scan. I have never seen the bold stated.

Even so, do you know what yin/yang release is? If what you say is in fact true then yata is endowed with yin & yang which would still nullify all attacks.

That is what is stated. But it can only stop opposition. Physical force or Ninjutsu. Element based things. Stuff of the physical plane. Can it stop magic? no. because it isnt opposition.

Whether it be physical or astral,

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& as for the magic, lol yata mirror is magic. "its hands wield magical, matchless, sacred weapons." So yes it can logically repel magical attacks because they are of an astral body & the mirror itself is magic.

it simply is chaos of any order and Yata is a ordered system.

Yata is not ordered & does not follow a system, it simply renders any attack ineffective.

Also, it can't stop Rinnegan gravity because it isn't opposition. Its not a force or a shockwave. It is the simple movement of things with no mechanism. Its gravity which makes it like magic like. It can't be blocked because isn't a actual thing.

Assumption, have you seen yata fail to deflect s/t? No you havent, furthermore yata can transform its properties into a similar force in order to match & render the attack ineffective. If s/t was to be used on susanoo itself then yata simply protects the user from the impact [thus rendering the attack ineffective], although yata isnt even needed for this as base susanoo can tank being thrown by s/t.

 

[BlackFlame44]

I find it hilarious how people believe it can be bypassed with no proof whatsoever. Not only that but they're directly contradicting the manga. When yata's hype is contradicted, then it can be broken, as of now it has held up to its hype so saying that it can be broken/bypassed is false, contradictory, & can't be proven right.

Burden of proof is on whoever can find a scan of yata not doing what its been hyped to do.

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Check #17 buddy

 

[Senju Bean]

First of all, scan. I have never seen the bold stated.

Even so, do you know what yin/yang release is? If what you say is in fact true then yata is endowed with yin & yang which would still nullify all attacks.



Whether it be physical or astral,

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& as for the magic, lol yata mirror is magic. "its hands wield magical, matchless, sacred weapons." So yes it can logically repel magical attacks because they are of an astral body & the mirror itself is magic.



Yata is not ordered & does not follow a system, it simply renders any attack ineffective.



Assumption, have you seen yata fail to deflect s/t? No you havent, furthermore yata can transform its properties into a similar force in order to match & render the attack ineffective. If s/t was to be used on susanoo itself then yata simply protects the user from the impact [thus rendering the attack ineffective], although yata isnt even needed for this as base susanoo can tank being thrown by s/t.

You don't know how gravity really works. It effects at at distance. It is a property of space itself. Rinnegan controls the gravitational force at a location in space. How can Yata stop it?

More importantly, how can Yata stop COAT, if Yata never existed in the first place? That's right, COAT bends reality. The COAT user can not only erase Yata, but erase it from the fabric of space time itself, denying it's past.

Also it only said in the manga that Yata is endowed with all nature transformations, not all transformations.

 

[KingHashirama]

those weapons only make up for the fact that he doesn't have the stamina to take on big time characters without them.

 

[Draphsin]

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Check #17 buddy

Sorry but that does not apply to me

It has been stated that yata has no limits. It is a confirmed fact, the only way to prove it wrong is to prove it can be contradicted, which is impossible.

Not only that but kishi has given us multiple chances to show us yata's so-called limits yet he hasnt.

We've never seen yata's hype contradicted in the manga so anybody why argues against it is simply arguing with what kishi wrote.

Btw that argument is in regards to differing universes, by your logic kishi doesnt know the limits of his own characters. & if such were the case then all vs threads are redundant because kishi would never be correct, so the manga would never be correct.....

You don't know how gravity really works. It effects at at distance. It is a property of space itself. Rinnegan controls the gravitational force at a location in space. How can Yata stop it?

Lol you asking me how yata can stop it is like me asking how nagato can even control gravity.. Yes the rinnegan allows it but what actually causes nagato to control the gravity around an object?

Kishi hasnt explained every little thing in detail. What he has explained is how yata can become anything & everything in order to render an attack ineffective.

Maybe yata completely nullifies nagato's control over gravity? Nobody knows how it works but the point is that it does work, saying otherwise needs to be proven right because you're arguing with the manga...

Kamui blocked kamui, how did obito manage to do that? He just did it, no explanation is needed.

More importantly, how can Yata stop COAT, if Yata never existed in the first place? That's right, COAT bends reality. The COAT user can not only erase Yata, but erase it from the fabric of space time itself, denying it's past.

lmfao first you say that yata has all nature transformations, now you're saying that it can't block CoAT, which is yin/yang release? lol

Not only that, but CoAT is creation of all things, you can only use CoAT to create. Onmyoudon can be used to destroy, yet we've seen how that can even be blocked by senjutsu. If it can't bypass senjutsu then tell me how its bypassing a magical shield "imbued with all the nature transformations" (<<<----BS statement anyways..) which would include the elements that it incorporates.

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could even block onmyoudon (albeit while getting destroyed in the process), saying that yata can't is an insult to what kishi wrote.

Also it only said in the manga that Yata is endowed with all nature transformations, not all transformations.

Wrong, As I said prove it with scans, in fact I won't even consider arguing with you anymore until you post a scan saying that yata is only endowed with the nature transformations.

 

[Senju Bean]

Sorry but that does not apply to me

It has been stated that yata has no limits. It is a confirmed fact, the only way to prove it wrong is to prove it can be contradicted, which is impossible.

Not only that but kishi has given us multiple chances to show us yata's so-called limits yet he hasnt.

We've never seen yata's hype contradicted in the manga so anybody why argues against it is simply arguing with what kishi wrote.

Btw that argument is in regards to differing universes, by your logic kishi doesnt know the limits of his own characters. & if such were the case then all vs threads are redundant because kishi would never be correct, so the manga would never be correct.....



Lol you asking me how yata can stop it is like me asking how nagato can even control gravity.. Yes the rinnegan allows it but what actually causes nagato to control the gravity around an object?

Kishi hasnt explained every little thing in detail. What he has explained is how yata can become anything & everything in order to render an attack ineffective.

Maybe yata completely nullifies nagato's control over gravity? Nobody knows how it works but the point is that it does work, saying otherwise needs to be proven right because you're arguing with the manga...

Kamui blocked kamui, how did obito manage to do that? He just did it, no explanation is needed.



lmfao first you say that yata has all nature transformations, now you're saying that it can't block CoAT, which is yin/yang release? lol

Not only that, but CoAT is creation of all things, you can only use CoAT to create. Onmyoudon can be used to destroy, yet we've seen how that can even be blocked by senjutsu. If it can't bypass senjutsu then tell me how its bypassing a magical shield "imbued with all the nature transformations" (<<<----BS statement anyways..) which would include the elements that it incorporates.

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could even block onmyoudon (albeit while getting destroyed in the process), saying that yata can't is an insult to what kishi wrote.



Wrong, As I said prove it with scans, in fact I won't even consider arguing with you anymore until you post a scan saying that yata is only endowed with the nature transformations.

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Umm only Zetsu was commenting on it. How can we take it as absolute.

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Yata has all Nature transformations. It didn't say that Yata has all transformations. Just the nature ones.

Whatever nature transformations can't stop, won't work to defend against.


You want a scan? Here, PS can destroy the universe. Yata part of the universe. Wait a second, Kishi states it can destroy everything. Then it must right? Manga proof.


COAT can just create a Anti Yata weapon. So yeah, it can destroy as long as it creates something that destroys.

 

[Draphsin]

Umm only Zetsu was commenting on it. How can we take it as absolute.

Not only zetsu, but kishi explained it to us through the databook.

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Yata has all Nature transformations. It didn't say that Yata has all transformations. Just the nature ones.

Whatever nature transformations can't stop, won't work to defend against.

Lol You're using the wiki as evidence!? Wiki is pure assumption unless sourced & proven to be true with manga scans. The wiki states that madara/obito/nagato possess all 5 nature manipulations yet is that true? Of course not as its not been confirmed. The wiki is unreliable so simply taking its word as proof is no different than using fanfiction as support.

So basically you still lack a scan which states that yata is only endowed with the nature manipulations, you're basing your evidence off of the wiki which literally holds no credibility in this case, sorry.

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You want a scan? Here, PS can destroy the universe. Yata part of the universe. Wait a second, Kishi states it can destroy everything. Then it must right? Manga proof.

Lol again. First of all that statement was contradicted & proven to be hyperbole when a single stroke did NOT destroy the universe, feats > hype. Furthermore kishi did not state this in a databook entry, or in any specific interview, they were madara's words. Also going by madara's logic the bijuu should also have this power, but has a bijuu ever destroyed the universe with sheer power? Didnt think so.

COAT can just create a Anti Yata weapon. So yeah, it can destroy as long as it creates something that destroys.

Impossible, sure CoAT could produce a weapon that would break yata, but yata will change & break the weapon in turn. & since yata has no physical form, technically it can get destroyed & reform as many times as it needs to.

Therefore an "anti-yata" weapon will do nothing except destroy both the weapon & the shield's physical form, however the shield simply reforms itself because it doesnt actually exist in the physical world, hence having no physical presence.