Yata Mirror hype cleared [no bashing/ no fanboying]

[KCMNaruto]

Hello guys, I would like to talk about Yata Mirror hype and bring proofs why it's hype is misunderstood. First, I believe It preserves it's hype by being eternal weapon so it can't be destroyed once for enternity. However I also believe it has some limit as nothing should work with no limit falacy applied to it because it causes bad writting.

When Sasuke finished preparing for Kirin to kill Itachi:

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Just before Sasuke brought Kirin upon Itachi, in no panel Itachi is shown activating or forming Sussano, no traces/remarks to notice and conclude.

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^^ Here Kirin finally buster whole mountain and was presumed to kill Itachi.

Then Itachi is shown laying on ground:

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Later he got up on feet and forms Sussano. Notice as there is no damage delivered to him. If we assume that he used Sussano then at the most he could get in v2 Sussano... which would still be destroyed by Kirin and harm Itachi even a bit.

Here Itachi says interesting words as he forms Sussano:

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I I didn't have this, I would have been done for. These words are ambiguous, easier interpretation is that he meant Sussano, but other interpretation would lead more to Yata Mirror. Itachi later even stated that he awoken Sussano along with Amaterasu and Tsukyomii.

Why would he then mentions that he couldn't not have this..., Why ? Because it may be something other then Sussano, something which Itachi found... -> Yata Mirror.

Later we can notice Itachi evolving his Sussano.

Databook's entry about Yata Mirror:

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There is nothing mentioned about Yata Mirror being part of Sussano, so clearly it could be used without Sussano.

There is also fact that Itachi was in very bad state when he faced Kirin attack of Sasuke. With all cells in his body hurting I doubt he could forms Sussano so fast, to at least v2, because ribcage would be destroyed.

I see it like that(It doesn't destroy or deny Yata Mirror 's hype):

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IMO Juubidama, PS's slash and maybe Kurama's TBB upon clash with Yata Mirror should be able to make Yata loose it's form fades away but nullifing even TBB, PS's slash or Juubidama.It has cooldown time before it returns, so Itachi is forced to fight on his own against enemy in meantime.

I strongly believe that Itachi pulled just Yata Mirror when Sasuke brought Kirin's lightining monster upon him. I doubt he had time to manifest Sussano... besides Itachi was shown unharmed after Kirin buster whole Mountain. There also nowhere said that Itachi had to bring Yata along with Sussano. It was just equipped to Itachi's Sussano, but even Orochimaru searched for this artifact so clearly Yata and Totsuka could be used without Sussano.

My theory :​

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Itachi formed Yata Mirror without Sussano then after deflecting/nullifying destructive power upon himself, He fell down on ground because it costed him more power then when he uses it along with Sussano. It could prove that Yata lost it's form in real world and it had cooldown time then was brought back by Itachi when he used Sussano.

Also question to Itachi's fanboys... What is more beliveable pulling out Sussano at least v2 or even v3 to survive Kirin, or pulling out Ethernal artifact which has magic properties but in human form instantly in one or two mere second ?

I believe the answer is obvious. Pulling out unwordly item to protect himself seems faster then pulling out Sussano and evolving it to v3...

Thanks for reading !
Please share your opinions !

 

[-immortal-]

itachi is fodder and got his ass whooped by hebi sasuke. you know why i say that?

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[SenjuOmar]

Nice thread we can only hope this stops the fapboying and bashing on yata mirror you are truly a peace maker

 

[LustyLover]

Nothing logically implies this and we have no evidence to support it.

 

[Alastor]

Yata mirror negates damage, had Itachi used it, the Uchiha hideout would still be standing.

 

[Gagster]

Raikari > Yata Mirror.

 

[Angelofchaos179]

-claps- good job even though i just looked at the pictures don't get why would you make this thread though

 

[obito uchiha the wraith]

idk I just think the mirror is overhyped and useless.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Yata is one of those hypes that are made up by kishi himself unlike some DB entries with reference to what was said in manga by some fodder with no credibility.

Kamui has similar DB entry made by kishi only and not hyped by other characters like hiruzen for example.

 

[KidGamer65]

1. Susanoo can be formed instantly. So he had time to pull it out.

2. Yata is equipped to his Susanoo. He clearly can't use it without using Susanoo. Nothing states he can, nothing has shown that he can, so he can't.

3. "If I didn't have this, I would have been done for" obviously refers to Susanoo not Yata Mirror. Its not ambiguous. "This" refers to the chakra construct that was right behind him as he said it, and then he even said "Susanoo" on the last page. Lol

 

[Gerkak]

Interesting theory

 

[The8thGateBeast]

I agree 10/10 thread.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Nice thread we can only hope this stops the fapboying and bashing on yata mirror you are truly a peace maker

thanks , I really want peace to reach this place lol

Nothing logically implies this and we have no evidence to support it.

Why ? I clearly keep Yata Mirror hype intact, as it still can render any attack useless. The only weakness of using it would be that the strongest attack the longer cooldown time it has before reforming.

Yata mirror negates damage, had Itachi used it, the Uchiha hideout would still be standing.

Indeed If Itachi was at the top of Mountain then it would still be standing, however kirin busted through whole mountain before it hit Yata Mirror of Human size to cover just Itachi's small human body in compare to Sussano or mountain, so imo it is still possible.

-claps- good job even though i just looked at the pictures don't get why would you make this thread though

Thanks a lot man

idk I just think the mirror is overhyped and useless.

Maybe or just most of the people don't understand it's hype lol

1. Susanoo can be formed instantly. So he had time to pull it out.

2. Yata is equipped to his Susanoo. He clearly can't use it without using Susanoo. Nothing states he can, nothing has shown that he can, so he can't.

3. "If I didn't have this, I would have been done for" obviously refers to Susanoo not Yata Mirror. Its not ambiguous. "This" refers to the chakra construct that was right behind him as he said it, and then he even said "Susanoo" on the last page. Lol

1. Sussano can be formed instantly but it takes time to make it advance. Even then you didn' t take Itachi's bad condition in your consideration. Just look how long it took him to form even v2 Sussano after he got up from ground. I am not talking about Sasuke or Madara who are in good state so they could bring Sussano in mere second even advancing it.

2. yet Orochimaru clearly searched for this weapons. Also Black Zetsu even stated Itachi equiped them to Sussano , so they could be used without it, stop denying it.

3. Wrong. When Itachi reffered to Sussano he first talked about third technique brought with Amaterasu and Tsukyiomii, he has never made reference to that statement you said.

Interesting theory

Thank you a lot

I agree 10/10 thread.

Thanks man

 

[Alastor]

Indeed If Itachi was at the top of Mountain then it would still be standing, however kirin busted through whole mountain before it hit Yata Mirror of Human size to cover just Itachi's small human body in compare to Sussano or mountain, so imo it is still possible.

Nope, Itachi's Akatsuki robe was reduced to ashes, that's enough proof the attack wasn't negated (thus no yata mirror).

 

[Trúth]

What? No Kirin is simply not that powerful. It was blocked by Susanoo not Yata. There is no evidence that Itachi can use Yata without it.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Nope, Itachi's Akatsuki robe was reduced to ashes, that's enough proof the attack wasn't negated (thus no yata mirror).

Really I have to take closer look then, but wasn't it Destroyed in long battle before Sasuke pulled Kiring ?

What? No Kirin is simply not that powerful. It was blocked by Susanoo not Yata. There is no evidence that Itachi can use Yata without it.

However It clearly was used. You believe Yata can not be used yet it was never stated it has to be used with Sussano. Why would Oro search for it ?

Also, Why didn't Itachi brought Yata against Chibaku Tensei's core which pulled him,Naruto and Bee ?

Obviously because Yata would finally loose it's shape and had cooldown time meanwhile Itachi ,Naruto and Bee would die.

 

[GamakichiTheUsurper]

The fact of Orochimaru searching for Yata Mirror and Totsuka Blade might be a mere misinterpretation of the information that he had about such weapons.

For example: maybe he heard about them in an ancient document, but it was a vague explanation in which wasn't stated anything about them being necesary binded to a Susanoo, so he was led to an equivoque.


Anyway, good work

 

[KCMNaruto]

The fact of Orochimaru searching for Yata Mirror and Totsuka Blade might be a mere misinterpretation of the information he had about such weapons. For example; maybe he heard about them in an ancient document, but it was a vague explanation in which didn't state anything about them being necesary binded to a Susanoo, so he was led to an equivoque.

Possible, but I doubt someone as Oro would fall to misinformation

It doesn't matter whether or not they can be used without the Susano'o. He clearly stated that what saved him was the Susano'o itself and not the weapons.

Where was it stated ?

Why didn't Itachi pull then Yata mirror to save his ass against Chibaku Tensei or against Kabuto... Clearly he had Totsuka so why not Yata... Kishi clearly gave hints...

 

[Trúth]

Really I have to take closer look then, but wasn't it Destroyed in long battle before Sasuke pulled Kiring ?



However It clearly was used. You believe Yata can not be used yet it was never stated it has to be used with Sussano. Why would Oro search for it ?

Also, Why didn't Itachi brought Yata against Chibaku Tensei's core which pulled him,Naruto and Bee ?

Obviously because Yata would finally loose it's shape and had cooldown time meanwhile Itachi ,Naruto and Bee would die.

You misunderstood. Oro was in search of Totsuka not Yata.
Lol It's funny that you're assuming these weaknesses yet Kishi didn't write them in the data book, where he wrote everything else about Yata. He didn't use Yata because it was an opportunity for them to work all together.
Its clearly not used as Itachi sustained damage. His Akatsuki robes were gone. Susanoo is simply greater than Kirin

 

[Alastor]

Really I have to take closer look then, but wasn't it Destroyed in long battle before Sasuke pulled Kiring ?
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No, the scans you posted clearly show it, also this :

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