Yata Mirror 101

[SoupAddicttt]

''You can't teleport chakra''

... Seriously?

 

[S A G E]

Or the Yata would change its properties to remain. Imagine the Kamui on Yata, but as the Kamui spins in an attempt to bend the Yata in on itself, the Yata spins in the opposite direction so as to appear it's not moving at all.

Sorry but no as much as I love Obito(no homo :|) susano'o is made up of chakra you can't teleport chakra. Yata mirror is a part of susano'o you can't teleport it

Im obviously taking about kakashi's kamui which has a larger spread. In fact it will just teleport the entire susano with the user and the ground beneath it.
Remember, kakashi thought he could kamui the juubi, which is bigger than any for of sasuke's or itachis susano.

edit: oShux what gave you the idea that chakra can't be teleported? Ninjutsu attacks such as fire, explosions, are made of chakra and anything that takes up space should be able to be teleported.

 

[Pepsilover]

I personally think yata mirror can block TBB; It is the 'ultimate defence' in naruto verse.... but he might still feel the punch.

It's only has two weakness as far as I know.
a)
It is puts a strain on non-edo user
b)
Unlike Gara and Neji "all around" defensive moves; it only protects your front, -or more accurate: wherever susano left hand is.
He will have to be careful when he blocks the ground breaking TBB attack with his Yata-mirror as earth under might implode/explode. (He will just jump or something.. not a big deal in naruto verse )

If we are not talking about TTB, then it is the ulitmate defense; speacially if the user is Itachi. He can bottleneck were he can be approached with his Yata-mirror and trap the attacker amaterasu if the opponent gives trouble with raw speed.

I even doubt that the "flying thunder god"(if there is no marking), "bijuu mode" or raikage will have such an opening..

So if you happen to fight Itachi alone and he goes all Yata mirror over you; then hide/run until he wears him self out.. Unless he is edo.. then you should just call it a day and go home. Your drunk.

 

[Klaves]

Im obviously taking about kakashi's kamui which has a larger spread. In fact it will just teleport the entire susano with the user and the ground beneath it.
Remember, kakashi thought he could kamui the juubi, which is bigger than any for of sasuke's or itachis susano.

You're misunderstanding my argument. Kamui is capable of teleporting a Susano, but not one with Yata Mirror. The shield itself would become S/T in a reverse of Kakashi's Kamui effects. Yata covering the entire Susano means that Kakashi's Kamui wouldn't be able to teleport it due to Yata's capabilities. That is unless the Yata is converting itself to block a different type of attack. It weakness may lie in not being able to nullify two completely different types of attacks. TBB and kamui in unison for instance.

 

[Ovan]

Thank you for the thread.

 

[Pepsilover]

You're misunderstanding my argument. Kamui is capable of teleporting a Susano, but not one with Yata Mirror. The shield itself would become S/T in a reverse of Kakashi's Kamui effects. Yata covering the entire Susano means that Kakashi's Kamui wouldn't be able to teleport it due to Yata's capabilities. That is unless the Yata is converting itself to block a different type of attack. It weakness may lie in not being able to nullify two completely different types of attacks. TBB and kamui in unison for instance.

Yata does not cover the entire Susano

 

[oShux]

Kakashi and Obito can get around Kamui.
They just have to kamui the shield and bam gone.

You can't kamui the shield. And also I thought your name was GayParadise

 

[oShux]

Im obviously taking about kakashi's kamui which has a larger spread. In fact it will just teleport the entire susano with the user and the ground beneath it.
Remember, kakashi thought he could kamui the juubi, which is bigger than any for of sasuke's or itachis susano.

edit: oShux what gave you the idea that chakra can't be teleported? Ninjutsu attacks such as fire, explosions, are made of chakra and anything that takes up space should be able to be teleported.

Even if it is teleported can susano'o not reconstruct itself? So that argument is invalid. Now if you're talking about kamuing the user himself then you have a valid argument.

 

[Klaves]

Yata does not cover the entire Susano

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It actually can. It changes its shape depending on the attack. All attacks become "meaningless".

 

[S A G E]

You're misunderstanding my argument. Kamui is capable of teleporting a Susano, but not one with Yata Mirror. The shield itself would become S/T in a reverse of Kakashi's Kamui effects. Yata covering the entire Susano means that Kakashi's Kamui wouldn't be able to teleport it due to Yata's capabilities. That is unless the Yata is converting itself to block a different type of attack. It weakness may lie in not being able to nullify two completely different types of attacks. TBB and kamui in unison for instance.

the thing is, space/time ability is a special ability that affects the universe space/time continuoum, there is no indication that yata mirror has any spacetime ability to counter it in the first place since it is not really an offensive attack per say, but rather it affects the possition of an object.

Even if it is teleported can susano'o not reconstruct itself? So that argument is invalid. Now if you're talking about kamuing the user himself then you have a valid argument.

Ponce susano is removed, the user can easily speedblitz or follow up with another kamui, to attack the user this time, either way there are many ways to go on.

 

[BlackFlame44]

Yata mirror is an nlf that itachi fans use as their scapegoat

/thread

 

[TrollingSage]

Sorry but this is not true... this is just cheap item along with Totsuka Blade with no weakness... actually I could call them plot devices created by Kishi only for one use and nothin more... or maybe if plot demands for them again then they appear again LOL

It is cheap and worthless... I would hate if my favourites characters would have such weapons... Actaully it would be better if they weren't introduced from the begining.

NOW I WANT FOR KISHI TO PROVE THEIR HYPE AND SHOW BLOCKING JUUBITO's "All Ninjutsu turn to nothing" ability and Juubi's bijuudama or FINALLY GOT LIMIT AND MAYBE GET SHATTERED...

Either way if they don't appear again... then they are just cheap plot devices with no purpouse in opposite to Five treasured Tools of Sage of six paths's

Plot device? Yata mirror served no useful purpose in the plot. All it did was block some kunais and explosive bombs, attacks even a rib susano is more than capable of blocking. Itachi didnt need the mirror and infact when he was resurrected as an edo, he didnt use it.
Kishi only gave it to him for wanking purposes.

 

[Pepsilover]

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It actually can. It changes its shape depending on the attack. All attacks become "meaningless".

This is more like your subjective interpretation of the image.

Looking at Yata from different angle:

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and the origional image:

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It is clear that he is simply moving the mirror to position with speed.

 

[Klaves]

the thing is, space/time ability is a special ability that affects the universe space/time continuoum, there is no indication that yata mirror has any spacetime ability to counter it in the first place since it is not really an offensive attack per say, but rather it affects the possition of an object.


Ponce susano is removed, the user can easily speedblitz or follow up with another kamui, to attack the user this time, either way there are many ways to go on.

I understand your point, but I'm having a hard time imagining it being successful since the Yata isn't a physical thing (unless it needs to be of course). The Yata is given so much hype in terms of its ability to manipulate its attributes to nullify any attack. While Kamui is sort of a special case, it is still technically being used offensively. If it comes done to nothing more than wording, it is a type of attack an thus should be nullified. I see what you're saying and it seems legit, but it can't really be said that it would work with any certainty.

 

[oShux]

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It actually can. It changes its shape depending on the attack. All attacks become "meaningless".

Good job even I did not know this.

 

[Klaves]

This is more like your subjective interpretation of the image.

Looking at Yata from different angle:

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and the origional image:

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It is clear that he is simply moving the mirror to position with speed.

It really isn't my interpretation. The Yata may change its attributes to nullify any attack. Size is also an attribute. The second image is after the attack itself, and thus proves only that it returns to its natural state after an attack. The original image clearly shows its ability to change shape. In order for the Yata to nullify all attacks, it needs to be able to defend from any direction. It's actually just logical conjunction with the databook.

 

[oShux]

This is more like your subjective interpretation of the image.

Looking at Yata from different angle:

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and the origional image:

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It is clear that he is simply moving the mirror to position with speed.

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[BlackFlame44]

It really isn't my interpretation. The Yata may change its attributes to nullify any attack. Size is also an attribute. The second image is after the attack itself, and thus proves only that it returns to its natural state after an attack. The original image clearly shows its ability to change shape. In order for the Yata to nullify all attacks, it needs to be able to defend from any direction. It's actually just logical conjunction with the databook.

That's just being blow off from the mirror it's size didnt change

 

[TrollingSage]

I understand your point, but I'm having a hard time imagining it being successful since the Yata isn't a physical thing (unless it needs to be of course). The Yata is given so much hype in terms of its ability to manipulate its attributes to nullify any attack. While Kamui is sort of a special case, it is still technically being used offensively. If it comes done to nothing more than wording, it is a type of attack an thus should be nullified. I see what you're saying and it seems legit, but it can't really be said that it would work with any certainty.

I bet you also believe Itachi can't be put under gen jutsu when he's protected by yata. What about poison gas?

 

[Klaves]

That's just being blow off from the mirror it's size didnt change

The shield itself changed its shape. Look up to the top right corner and you can see where the Yata bends somewhat. If it was merely pressure or wind this wouldn't happen.

I bet you also believe Itachi can't be put under gen jutsu when he's protected by yata. What about poison gas?

I like Itachi but he isn't my favorite. Genjutsu would work just fine I suppose. Not sure about the gas since it is matter. I guess that comes down to whether or not it is recognized as an attack. It may work since air obviously has to pass through it in order for the user to breathe.