I don't remember the forum, but I am pretty certain that I have read it that it was either a tribe or a clan
Bcoz, a fan asked mashima, what was the weird language minerva uses while fighting
Mashima said that it was a language that belonged to yakuma tribe/ clan and minerva too is a member and possess few of their magic
I can't make sure whether it was clan or tribe
I said it was a clan bcoz, minerva's father when fighting against sting and rogue said that she was nothing but a mere tool to make the clan go forward
Also there is another fact that arlock needed to use some kind of sacrifice in order to summon the god, while minerva could do it with just hand signs
Its mostly bcoz she belongs to the tribe or clan
That you read it on a forum isn't a viable source or since when does everything that becomes written on a forum fact?
As I said I tried to search for it and the only things I found were some footnotes on FT wikia referring to volume 41 Q&A. On one page they mention Yakuma being a clan, then again a race, however they all had in common that they were extinct and nowhere was it said that Minerva herself was part of whatever Yakuma was, only that she that the language and magic she used were originally from the Yakuma. So I don't see a reason to assume that either. Minerva's father was obsessed with being the strongest, so him referring to his blood as being the strongest doesn't mean either that it has anything to do with a clan.
As I also said before you really should stop applying the way how clans are portrayed in the Narutoverse onto the Fairy Tail verse. By doing that you are pretty much making your own statements crumble.
Same thing about the sacrifices. Arlock doesn't even know exactly what he's doing. For some reason he is connecting the War Gods with summoning Zeref, something we know is bogus as Zeref isn't even dead, and he even specifically said he had to 'sacrifice the believe in Zeref', not people. How is such a believe even something substantial to sacrifice? That really doesn't make any sense. On top of that in the end no one has shown to be sacrificed. The god was already summoned completely when one of Avatar's mages said 'us too?'. If anything it's not a sacrifice to summon the god, but an offering to appease him or something along those lines when he's already summoned and in that sense Minerva might have done something similar by 'offering' Kagura and Erza.
And again as I also said before there might simply be differences regarding the requirements to summon each god and/or there's a pecking order among the gods. The god Minerva summoned was far smaller than the one summoned by Arlock, so one might require more magic than another.
So again my conclusion is that the Yakuma 18 War Gods is just a powerful type of ancient magic of which the original creators are long gone and that somehow got rediscovered by some people. There is no substantial evidence that points towards any clan.
That you read it on a forum isn't a viable source or since when does everything that becomes written on a forum fact?
As I said I tried to search for it and the only things I found were some footnotes on FT wikia referring to volume 41 Q&A. On one page they mention Yakuma being a clan, then again a race, however they all had in common that they were extinct and nowhere was it said that Minerva herself was part of whatever Yakuma was, only that she that the language and magic she used were originally from the Yakuma. So I don't see a reason to assume that either. Minerva's father was obsessed with being the strongest, so him referring to his blood as being the strongest doesn't mean either that it has anything to do with a clan.
As I also said before you really should stop applying the way how clans are portrayed in the Narutoverse onto the Fairy Tail verse. By doing that you are pretty much making your own statements crumble.
Same thing about the sacrifices. Arlock doesn't even know exactly what he's doing. For some reason he is connecting the War Gods with summoning Zeref, something we know is bogus as Zeref isn't even dead, and he even specifically said he had to 'sacrifice the believe in Zeref', not people. How is such a believe even something substantial to sacrifice? That really doesn't make any sense. On top of that in the end no one has shown to be sacrificed. The god was already summoned completely when one of Avatar's mages said 'us too?'. If anything it's not a sacrifice to summon the god, but an offering to appease him or something along those lines when he's already summoned and in that sense Minerva might have done something similar by 'offering' Kagura and Erza.
And again as I also said before there might simply be differences regarding the requirements to summon each god and/or there's a pecking order among the gods. The god Minerva summoned was far smaller than the one summoned by Arlock, so one might require more magic than another.
So again my conclusion is that the Yakuma 18 War Gods is just a powerful type of ancient magic of which the original creators are long gone and that somehow got rediscovered by some people. There is no substantial evidence that points towards any clan.
It depends on translations, it was translated or provided by one of the most trusted member, I believe her name was estella may
Anyways, I will just stop since I don't have a strong backbone for my claim
Although I didn't relate the clan system of naruto to ft world
That's just a general idea
I was making fairytard understand that Just bcoz minerva is affliated to this clan (only if she is) then it doesn't mean that the magic is not worthy ,same goes for the clan
Also what arlock was trying to do was pretty clear imo
He summoned the god in order to devour the souls of anyone that was present there in order to summon zeref, since the god will create a huge massacre and arlock believed it would be a way to attract Zeref
It depends on translations, it was translated or provided by one of the most trusted member, I believe her name was estella may
Anyways, I will just stop since I don't have a strong backbone for my claim
Although I didn't relate the clan system of naruto to ft world
That's just a general idea
I was making fairytard understand that Just bcoz minerva is affliated to this clan (only if she is) then it doesn't mean that the magic is not worthy ,same goes for the clan
Also what arlock was trying to do was pretty clear imo
He summoned the god in order to devour the souls of anyone that was present there in order to summon zeref, since the god will create a huge massacre and arlock believed it would be a way to attract Zeref
Even variations in translations can just go that far. If one person says 'clan' and another says 'race', well that depends on the translator, but there is quite a difference in saying that Minerva is part of a clan/race and that that clan/race is extinct. That's not something that should be that different just from different translations. And that that person is a trusted member doesn't mean much either. I assume that she at least knows some Japanese, but then you have a difference between people who learned Japanese and people who were raised with the Japanese language. On top of that even Japanese people can easily make mistakes with reading kanji, it's often a running gag in manga series. You also need to take into consideration if that person now translated directly from the original source or not and whether what she wrote was only a translation or also her interpretation of the translation. The latter is something I've regularly seen with other people who translated spoilers. They immediately say what they think of it resulting in other people interpreting that as that is exactly what the translation says.
So in the end you are basing yourself on something a person translated on a forum you don't seem to remember exactly by a member you don't seem to remember exactly while also not remembering exactly what now was written. As an argument it's really not much.
I didn't say you had to stop, it's an interesting topic. I'm merely pointing out flaws in what you're saying as you are thinking to linear rather than thinking of multiple possibilities and alternatives.
And it's pointlesss trying to reason with that guy. He made that alt specifically to throw tantrums in this section. He even came to my profile just to say that Fairy Tail sucks and that that is a fact ~_~ I also kicked him out of this section, so you will not receive any reply soon from him.
The ones who build the Towers of Paradise also thought they somehow were connecting with Zeref, same thing with Grimoire Heart and their keys, all of them which appeared to be bogus and useless. The point that I was trying to make was that all that sacrificing has nothing to do with the War God himself, that he can be summoned without doing all that and thus that there isn't any particular difference between how Arlock and Minerva used it while you said that because Minerva supposedly was in a clan, he didn't have to do it.
That you read it on a forum isn't a viable source or since when does everything that becomes written on a forum fact?
As I said I tried to search for it and the only things I found were some footnotes on FT wikia referring to volume 41 Q&A. On one page they mention Yakuma being a clan, then again a race, however they all had in common that they were extinct and nowhere was it said that Minerva herself was part of whatever Yakuma was, only that she that the language and magic she used were originally from the Yakuma. So I don't see a reason to assume that either. Minerva's father was obsessed with being the strongest, so him referring to his blood as being the strongest doesn't mean either that it has anything to do with a clan.
As I also said before you really should stop applying the way how clans are portrayed in the Narutoverse onto the Fairy Tail verse. By doing that you are pretty much making your own statements crumble.
Same thing about the sacrifices. Arlock doesn't even know exactly what he's doing. For some reason he is connecting the War Gods with summoning Zeref, something we know is bogus as Zeref isn't even dead, and he even specifically said he had to 'sacrifice the believe in Zeref', not people. How is such a believe even something substantial to sacrifice? That really doesn't make any sense. On top of that in the end no one has shown to be sacrificed. The god was already summoned completely when one of Avatar's mages said 'us too?'. If anything it's not a sacrifice to summon the god, but an offering to appease him or something along those lines when he's already summoned and in that sense Minerva might have done something similar by 'offering' Kagura and Erza.
And again as I also said before there might simply be differences regarding the requirements to summon each god and/or there's a pecking order among the gods. The god Minerva summoned was far smaller than the one summoned by Arlock, so one might require more magic than another.
So again my conclusion is that the Yakuma 18 War Gods is just a powerful type of ancient magic of which the original creators are long gone and that somehow got rediscovered by some people. There is no substantial evidence that points towards any clan.
One thing I am certain about is "Minerva is not from Yakuma race/clan or whatever it is.The information is vague in the Vol.41 and it is not clear.Unless mashima talks again about Yakuma, I think Yakuma is a person.U_U.Yeah.I sound ridiculous but whatever.Xd
It depends on translations, it was translated or provided by one of the most trusted member, I believe her name was estella may
Anyways, I will just stop since I don't have a strong backbone for my claim
Although I didn't relate the clan system of naruto to ft world
That's just a general idea
I was making fairytard understand that Just bcoz minerva is affliated to this clan (only if she is) then it doesn't mean that the magic is not worthy ,same goes for the clan
Also what arlock was trying to do was pretty clear imo
He summoned the god in order to devour the souls of anyone that was present there in order to summon zeref, since the god will create a huge massacre and arlock believed it would be a way to attract Zeref
Well....I don't remember Estella doing any translation regarding Yakuma.I have scanned that page from the Vol.book 41.Click on the spoiler below.I think it is said as both "race" and "Clan".Are race and clan same?.I don't know about that.-_-.I see this as a kind of some error.I don't know what did Mr.Flanagan thought when translating that section in the Volume book.It might have missed out in proof reading.So I didn't mentioned that yesterday.At this point in the manga the information about Yakuma is really low so I will wait for some clarification in future.
Just like Caliburn said I checked the wiki too...In one page they mentioned it was a clan and in another page it was a race.We can't blame them because that is how it is in Vol.41.
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Same thing about the sacrifices. Arlock doesn't even know exactly what he's doing. For some reason he is connecting the War Gods with summoning Zeref, something we know is bogus as Zeref isn't even dead, and he even specifically said he had to 'sacrifice the believe in Zeref', not people. How is such a believe even something substantial to sacrifice? That really doesn't make any sense. On top of that in the end no one has shown to be sacrificed. The god was already summoned completely when one of Avatar's mages said 'us too?'. If anything it's not a sacrifice to summon the god, but an offering to appease him or something along those lines when he's already summoned and in that sense Minerva might have done something similar by 'offering' Kagura and Erza.
Yes you are on point as usual.@ Bold that is really awesome.You are one of the main & foremost reason why I can't leave FT section.....that gave me some new thoughts about it.I am trying the decipher this "ネェル・ウィルグ・ミオン デルス・エルカンティアス" which minerva used when she summoned Ragd Rigola(War God) in Chapter 312.Literally it has no meaning at all.But people who are born and raised in japan might know the implications behind it.
There is no mention of need of sacrifice to summon Yakuma's Eighteen Battle Gods.It is not an absolute rule.Minerva already summoned One War God(Yagd Rigola) without any need of sacrifice.It is more like burning the face is an offering given by Alok to get contract to summon the 'Ikusatsunagi' war god.And we haven't seen minerva did anything like that physically.
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I read chapter 312 again.If I look at the way how Mashima illustrated chapter 312 comparing it with chapter 432.We can conclude it is an offering for time being.In chapter 312 Minerva bind Erza and Kagura in her spell and summoned the War God.The way how the War God is summoned to me it look like the God is summoned on/with Erza & Kagura.Minerva bind Erza & Kagura with her spell territory
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and then offered them saying some illiterate words to summon the War God.The War God was summoned on/along with them
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.When the God is summoned Mashima didn't showed the Erza and Kagura but showed them as wrapped up in the attack.It is certain that Erza and Kagura devoured to summon the attack
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.But Erza and Kagura defended themselves from the War God and escaped with the minor injuries which I suppose reverted the summon
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In Chapter 433.This summon is different from what minerva did in chapter 312.Alok already offered his face earlier as a price to summon the 'Ikusatsunagi'.And again offering something to summon a God might not be an absolute rule.Just like you said there might be the order and requirements to summon each god.
