Napie2Genjia
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How...or why..while other shinigami almost half dead fighting espada ... BUT.. espada rank no.1....no.1!!!!!! primera easily defeated by captain kyouraku......without using BANKAI!!!!???? **** LOGIC! Zzz
[Discussion] WTF wit Thiz!!???
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Lol, I would also like to know the reason for this.
In my opinion, he was defeated a bit too easy....
In my opinion, he was defeated a bit too easy....
Yusuke Urameshi
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Kyoraku's my favorite. That's why he won. Also, he had two Vizards and Ukitake. So... 4v2. Also, if you have read the manga, you'll understand that Kyoraku is a boss.
shunsui is head captain now
which means he's almost as powerful as yamaji
#1 is a piece of cake for him
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which means he's almost as powerful as yamaji
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. .#1 is a piece of cake for him
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kotoamatsukami
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Almost as strong as Yamamoto lol no stop he's not close...the reason kyoraku won so easy was because he switched from his cero to thoes wolves if not for ukitake or those others vizards kyoraku would have had to use bankai.
Shunsui wasnt even fighting to 50% of his full capabilities either... Didnt touch bankai which apparently increases one's power up to 10 times. It was Wonderweiss and Stark vs Ukitake, Love, Rose and Kyoraku. Love Rose and Ukitake didnt lay a finger on Stark (Love hit Stark with his shikai and couldnt even penetrate his hierro and Stark didnt get hurt) Shunsui was the only one that was able to pierce his hierro which means that the reiatsu difference was small, meaning that power wise they were very similar.
Shunsui is in the top 3 strongest captains in the Gotei 13.... Should come to no surprise that he could keep up with the top espada.
Shunsui is in the top 3 strongest captains in the Gotei 13.... Should come to no surprise that he could keep up with the top espada.
kotoamatsukami
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First off kyoraku was fighting at a least 50% of his full power.second if not for ukitake he would have been forced to use his bankai. Third no one used bankai on stark..forth yea love shikai really did not hurt him but im pretty sure if he took another he would have had some pain but if love wer to slash him directly with his sword like kyoraku did o yea stark would have took damage..fith kyoraku beat a stark that was not at 100% he snuck stark an somehow killed lyte (misspelled) an lyte was a major part of stark power.
An yea kyoraku is now top three in captains cuz unohana an Yamamoto died.
Fine 50% it doesnt really matter lol.
Also a mistranslation Shunsui wasnt gonna go straight into bankai.... What he said in the raws was he was going to wait until Stark used his real power (The wolves) Shunsui had his suspicions and didnt want to pull out his trump card till Stark did. Love wouldnt have hurt him simple as that, from what we have seen Starks hierro is too strong. Lillynette did not take away Starks power all she did was transform into a gun and wolves..... all of the physical strength and speed was Starks.... Lilynette could only spam ceros..... dont know how you got that.
He was in the top three before as well Yama, Unohana then Shunsui....... Zaraki didnt have his power up, and I would like to see Zarakis strength before I judge his power.
ReverseZero12
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Didn't starrk only lose because Shunsui stabbed him right from the back? If he didn't do that, I'm sure shunsui's only other option would have been using his bankai... Because after shunsui did that, starrk's performance decreased because of that injury.
kotoamatsukami
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Kyoraku had no choice but to jump into bankai he could not even get close in his shikai form..um love would have hurt him if he wanted to use bankai or if he fought stark with out lilynette like kyoraku did he would have beat stark aswell...lol what lilynette did not take away Starks power that's the only reason why he stood a chance against kyoraku in the first place that's why stark lost to a shikai was because his ability to create space was gone..lol if not for lilynette everybody that stark fought would have destroyed him lilynette played a major part of his power.
For me it was yama,unohana then shinji an if wer bringing current kenpachi in this then kyoraku would have been 5th..an if kenpachi beat unohana an you put kyoraku under unohana then that should tell you kenpachi is stronger than kyoraku but what ever let's wait an see.
Yes Kyoraku would have gone in to bankai but it wouldve been if Stark used his wolves against him.... After all Shunsui said
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meaning that Shunsui's shikai would have been enough for Stark until Stark showed his true power. Yeah Bankai is a different story and they would definitely put up more of a fight but I dont think Love and Rose were gonna use it Stark was going to finish them off until Shunsui saved them.
Ok thats what you meant I thought you meant his physical prowess and speed were taken away when Lillynette was killed, but he still had his guns after Shunsui stabbed him with kage oni you see in his right hand he is holding his gun in this panel
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Unohana I can regard her strength but the thing with her fight is that she basically wanted to die at the end and fully accept it. Zaraki without a doubt will be powerful but Shunsui also has power in his own right (Comparable to the primera who killed hollow just by his presence) and he is extremely cunning and ruthless, that is why I think Shunsui would put up a good fight to Zaraki although knowing Kubo no matter how much brain, cunning and power Shunsui would have, Zaraki would probably beat him because of power... defies logic really. But Shunsui is no small fry and even if Zaraki is stronger Shunsui would definitely not be fodder and push Zaraki to his limits as well.
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kotoamatsukami
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in that link kyoraku even told ukitake he was about to use it...I believe love was going to use it cuz stark was like run away if you want then live was like don't underestimate us I guess meaning we still have more power unless they wer to Hurt to use bankai....no thoes are not guns cuz I remember the guns wer gone once he confronted love&rose with his wolves.I kno she wanted to die but kenpachi already beat her as a kid an now he has a shikai makes him even stronger an his zanjutsu is the best I believe..but guess will have to wait an see what kyoraku bankai is..but kno that zaraki is a kenpachi I'm guessing his shikai is going to be very strong.
Again a mistranslation.... In the RAWS Shunsui said he was going to use it when Stark uses his real power (The wolves) remember when Shunsui was saying that Stark was a bad liar? heres the
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With Love and Rose I dont think they were gonna use bankai and if they were then Shunsui saved Kubo the hassle of releasing some more bankais... But thats up to speculation I just think that Stark was gonna take them out if not for Shunsui. They were very beaten up and would have been slowed down heaps.
I dont know in the panel it looks like a gun the shape and everything, and I think that Shunsui just didnt give him any space to use the guns and forced him into CQC.
Yeah Zaraki is definitely a powerhouse, and Shunsui is making full use of that potential of his... I think the vadenreich are gonna have a nice surprise. The gotei still have powerhouses left with them Ichigo, Zaraki, Shunsui, Ukitake (Fully healed Kubo said it would happen), Shinji and Mayuri (His inventions and work is going to help SS a lot I think). Urahara , Isshin and Yorouichi are there as well.
kotoamatsukami
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Yea he said he won't gone use it cuz he did not know stark could fire 1000 at a time he had no way in ever getting close to stark so he had no choice but to use it the panel I showed you came after the one you showed me meaning he changed his mind..no way love an rose wer going to let them selves be killed an yea I believe kyoraku showing up agin was to save kubo the hassle...lilinette was the guns an thoes guns transformed into those wolves an remember he said lilinette died so yea meaning no guns or wolves lol shunsui did not give him space to use his guns lol what? If he had his guns kyoraku would have been put in the same situation as befor that's not being able to get close.
Yea an you left out squad zero..but yea I'm only looking forward to seeing youruichi cuz I kno she will have her sword with her.
But Shunsui said he was going to use Bankai after Ukitake saved him..... That part were he says "No no I'll do it now" is the mistranslated part. If they both used their bankai then it would have been tough for Stark but Love and Rose very already seriously wounded.... Stark said it himself that normal cero's wouldnt fatally wound them. But remember that Stark doesnt need guns to shoot cero, he could shoot them without a stance and that was when he was in base. Cero's are starks speciality so Shunsui close the space up to deny that distance. If Stark had the guns while Shunsui was rushing him Stark would get affected by the blast as well, as we have seen they have a very large radius and a lot of power.
Squad Zero may help.... The spirit king may also make them stay back and protect them because they have no business ties to the Gotei 13, thats why I didnt add them in the list.