Wouldn't this be also Precog?

[Jokule67]

Why not? They all see Chakra better than Sharingan, which is what Sasuke himself said is the reason for being able to foresee attacks both against Naruto and Bee.

Karin does not SEE chakra. She SENSES chakra. He wanted to make sure Bee didnt go out if sight again like he did before. Sasuke wanted to know Bees position at all times. Thats what SENSORS are for.

 

[Reviewing Logic]

because it wasn't illustrated in the Manga that the Byakugan can foresee the attacks the same way it was with the Sharingan. and the Sharingan has a better feats. but it's not an impossibility though. let's just wait and see

I don't think we will ever see precog through the lens of a byakugan even though it does have it


WHY?

Because unlike the other times were they showcased byakugan's other traits like zooming, chakra seeing and x-ray


combat mode is heard to emulate on paper and via video since it is a 360* vision


it is like trying to emulate via a youtube video on a 2D monitor the greatness of VR

 

[Jokule67]

what do you mean by this



No, you mean the Uchiha who use the sharingan's foreseeing powers have better feats. Foreseeing powers still rely on the user's reflexes and speed.

Regarding the eyes themselves, the Byakugan is superior to Sharingan because it's perception is above Sharingan's. And it's that acuity that allows Sharingan's foreseeing powers. We know Byakugan too can foresee attacks and we know it's acuity is above Sharingan's.

Bakugan does not foresee attacks in the same way Sharingan does. Sharingan tracks movement and chakra to predict moves that havent happened yet.

Byakugan users never lose track if an oppenent because they see everything around them like a dome as far as their eye can reach.

Hyugas dont need precog.

 

[Hakke]

what do you mean by this

The Manga showed clearly that the Sharingan can see the movements before it happens in Vote Naruto vs Sasuke but nothing like that was shown with the Byakugan in the Manga

No, you mean the Uchiha who use the sharingan's foreseeing powers have better feats. Foreseeing powers still rely on the user's reflexes and speed.

Regarding the eyes themselves, the Byakugan is superior to Sharingan because it's perception is above Sharingan's. And it's that acuity that allows Sharingan's foreseeing powers. We know Byakugan too can foresee attacks and we know it's acuity is above Sharingan's.

Okay.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Karin does not SEE chakra. She SENSES chakra. He wanted to make sure Bee didnt go out if sight again like he did before. Sasuke wanted to know Bees position at all times. Thats what SENSORS are for.

Same difference. Sasuke still basically said Karin can foresee Bee's movements due to being able to read his Chakra. Byakugan > Sharingan in reading Chakra.

 

[Reviewing Logic]

The Manga showed clearly that the Sharingan can see the movements before it happens in Vote Naruto vs Sasuke but nothing like that was shown with the Byakugan in the Manga

the manga basically has like less then 1/6 or more panel time for the byakugan

so how could they

 

[Jokule67]

Same difference. Sasuke still basically said Karin can foresee Bee's movements due to being able to read his Chakra. Byakugan > Sharingan in reading Chakra.

No stop lying. She does not predict movement. She senses chakra and tells Sasuke where Bee is hiding.

 

[Made in Heaven]

The Manga showed clearly that the Sharingan can see the movements before it happens in Vote Naruto vs Sasuke but nothing like that was shown with the Byakugan in the Manga

Yes, that may be a difference, but according to the VIZ, those images aren't exactly literal, since Sauske says he sees the attacks with his "mind's eye". And the phrase mind's eye is just a fancy way of saying seeing images in ones head even though the images aren't there (like remembering somone's face who isn't there physically). And of course, all people have a mind's eye.

No stop lying. She does not predict movement. She senses chakra and tells Sasuke where Bee is hiding.

Anticipate = Predict.

 

[Reviewing Logic]

No stop lying. She does not predict movement. She senses chakra and tells Sasuke where Bee is hiding.

regardless of if Karin can or can not is besides the point here


the Sharingan does precog via chakra (sees were the chakra moves)

the Byakugan has better chakra vision (sees the whole network and were the chakra moves and escapes)


you do the math

 

[Jokule67]

Yes, that may be a difference, but according to the VIZ, those images aren't exactly literal, since Sauske says he sees the attacks with his "mind's eye". And the phrase mind's eye is just a fancy way of saying seeing images in ones head even though the images aren't there (like remembering somone's face who isn't there physically). And of course, all people have a mind's eye.

Anticipate = Predict.

Sasuke clearly said the images are there. He literally sees multiples.

Your mistake is thinking Byakugan is inferior without precog. For the last time Byakugan does not need Precog.

If Neji were fighting Naruto he wouldnt need precog because he would never lose sight of Naruto even in his blazingly fast fox mode. Sasuke has to track movement and move his head/eyes. 360 vision ELIMINATES the need for that.

 

[Jokule67]

regardless of if Karin can or can not is besides the point here


the Sharingan does precog via chakra (sees were the chakra moves)

the Byakugan has better chakra vision (sees the whole network and were the chakra moves and escapes)


you do the math

No YOU do research. Byakugan sees for different reasons than the Sharingan. Sharingan mirrors, mimics and predicts movement. Byakugan sees deeper farther and everywhere at once. 2 different functions. One is not better than the other. Its all about prefference.

If Byakugan had precog it would be too op.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Bakugan does not foresee attacks in the same way Sharingan does.

Sharingan tracks movement and chakra to predict moves that havent happened yet.

Byakugan users never lose track if an oppenent because they see everything around them like a dome as far as their eye can reach.

Hyugas dont need precog.

Yes it does, both Tenten and Shikadai spell out clearly that it can foresee attacks.

Byakugan can track movement and Chakra too, to a better degree at that.

That's true, but they can also foresee attacks alongside seeing all around them.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Sasuke clearly said the images are there. He literally sees multiples.

Your mistake is thinking Byakugan is inferior without precog. For the last time Byakugan does not need Precog.

If Neji were fighting Naruto he wouldnt need precog because he would never lose sight of Naruto even in his blazingly fast fox mode. Sasuke has to track movement and move his head. 360 vision ELIMINATES the need for that.

I know that, but he says mind's eye, that just means he's imagining it/thinking of it and we are simply being shown by the author for clarity. Unless the VIZ is wrong on this.

No, foreseeing attacks has nothing to do with Neji or Sasuke beating Naruto because forseeing attacks still depends on the user's skills to be able to dodge it.

 

[Jokule67]

I know that, but he says mind's eye, that just means he's imagining it/thinking of it and we are simply being shown by the author for clarity. Unless the VIZ is wrong on this.

No, foreseeing attacks has nothing to do with Neji or Sasuke beating Naruto because forseeing attacks still depends on the user's skills to be able to dodge it.

What Im saying is Neji wouldnt have to go up 2 tomoes to track high speed movement because he doesnt need to track movement unless they are out if his field of vision due to Byakugan.

Naruto was moving too fast for Sasukes Sharingan eyes to follow.

Byakugan can see every attack AS its happening. Not before. Sharingan is the only eye which does that.

 

[Made in Heaven]

What Im saying is Neji wouldnt have to go up 2 tomoes to track high speed movement because he doesnt need to track movement unless they are out if his field of vision due to Byakugan.

Naruto was moving too fast for Sasukes Sharingan eyes to follow.

I get that, but it was still said the Byakugan can foresee attacks. Whether 360 degree vision is involved is not the point.

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[Jokule67]

I get that, but it was still said the Byakugan can foresee attacks. Whether 360 degree vision is involved is not the point.

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Shikadai is not lying but the Byakugan doesnt predict movement because it doesnt have to track movement. Therefore it does not have precog.

The only reason why Sharingan needs precog is because people can run out of your view. Sharingan is 2d vision. Byakugan is 3d vision.

You cant run out of Byakugans view at any time. You are fusing sharingans ability with Byakugan. If Byakugan had precog there would be 2 outcomes.

1. The precognition would be greater than an MS sharingans.
2. The Bykugan would be too powerful. Noone could ever touch them in battle with any jutsu. EVER

 

[Made in Heaven]

Shikadai is not lying but the Byakugan doesnt predict movement

Yes it does. That's literally what foreseeing attacks means. Shikadai says "Going to move". Going to is future tense. Meaning the opponent hasn't moved yet. So it is seeing how they will move. hence prediction.

Tenten also says the Byakugan can anticipate attacks, synonym for that is prediction

because it doesnt have to track movement.

That's only if the user has the 360 vision activated. We saw in the Itachi & Sasuke arc that the Byakugan user controls what aspects of their eyes are in use, as Hinata activated her 360 vision even though her Byakugan was already on.

Therefore it does not have precog.

Precog isn't even a terms used in the series. It's insight and perception, which Byakugan does better.

The only reason why Sharingan needs precog is because people can run out of your view. Sharingan is 2d vision. Byakugan is 3d vision.You cant run out of Byakugans view at any time. You are fusing sharingans ability with Byakugan. If Byakugan had precog there would be 2 outcomes.

This doesn't matter at all to whether the eye can foresee attacks. Like at all. How does whether or not Byakugan/Sharingan can see the opponent matter to whether thy can foresee attacks?

1. The precognition would be greater than an MS sharingans.

So? Byakugan was said to be above 3T in insight. As far as I know, MS doesn't grant any insight enhancements, it only grants powers like Susano or Amaterasu

2. The Bykugan would be too powerful. Noone could ever touch them in battle with any jutsu. EVER

Nope. Sasuke constantly got hit by people depsite having precog, like Naruto, Bee, Kages like Ay, etc

 

[JaphethCrenshaw]

Honestly, the Byakugan is clearly undergoing retconning that hasn't been thought through. If the Byakugan has 360 degree vision, the need for precognition is in fact eliminated. The Sharingan is the only eye shown and explained to be able to see an attack before it's even close to being done. The Byakugan has never shown this feat.

Shikadai saying it shows how your enemy is going to move is just...I don't really know. This was never really a part of the Byakugan's original abilities and it has never been shown to be either. I think that if the Byakugan really had precognition, we wouldn't be arguing over it because Kishimoto would have made it clearly and abundantly obvious in every time the Byakugan was shown but if anything this entire thing is entirely left up to the imagination.

We're all well aware that the Sharingan specializes in predictions and readings of movement, not the Byakugan which has always been more of a scouting eye than a combative one. If you decide to take Shikadai's words as clear fact then that's fine but I think it's too much for the Byakugan to have 360 degree vision and precognition.

 

[Reviewing Logic]

Shikidai learnt that fact via Shikamaru who is a genius, who knows Hyugas, works as the aide to the Hokage (so knows a ton of info about Konoha's clans) and is also the right hand man for Naruto who is married into the Hyuga clan.

Mitsuki was also apparently there and later added to the conversation without arguing against Shikidai's claim and we know Mituski knows a ton of stuff, thanks to his father Orochi, plus Mitsuki wanted Bortuo's eye to be the byakugan for some reason.


It isn't the last time we are going to see the byakugan, likely Kishi wants to re-discover the eye, seeing as he neglected it in Naruto.


We know Kishi especially did the last two episodes and made them

a) stretch it out to two episodes
b) re-wrote the script with the anime producer

 

[Melanin]

Honestly, the Byakugan is clearly undergoing retconning that hasn't been thought through. If the Byakugan has 360 degree vision, the need for precognition is in fact eliminated. The Sharingan is the only eye shown and explained to be able to see an attack before it's even close to being done. The Byakugan has never shown this feat.

Shikadai saying it shows how your enemy is going to move is just...I don't really know. This was never really a part of the Byakugan's original abilities and it has never been shown to be either. I think that if the Byakugan really had precognition, we wouldn't be arguing over it because Kishimoto would have made it clearly and abundantly obvious in every time the Byakugan was shown but if anything this entire thing is entirely left up to the imagination.

We're all well aware that the Sharingan specializes in predictions and readings of movement, not the Byakugan which has always been more of a scouting eye than a combative one. If you decide to take Shikadai's words as clear fact then that's fine but I think it's too much for the Byakugan to have 360 degree vision and precognition.

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