Would you kill your best friend for Mangekyo?

[Draphsin]

Wouldn't be able to sleep at night, even with such power.

 

[Haizaki]

Wouldn't be able to sleep at night, even with such power.

Lol this literally had me laughing

 

[Narutohokage324]

Nah. I'm just gonna wait till someone spoon feeds me asspulls and powerups. That's how Naruto got strong. lol

Yeah cause he learned the shadow clone, rasengan, rasengan variants, Sage Mode, summoning jutsu, frog kata, and KCM easily. He needed to train hard or he needed help.

So when you say spoon fed asspulls, I hope you are talking about Sasuke Uchiha. Whose brother force fed him a MS, set him up for EMS, and he unlocked three MS abilities without even training. Amaterasu, Kagutsuchi, and Susano'o. ]

(Variants; V1 , V2, V3, V4, and PS).

Arguably the only free powers they get between them is the Rikudou one's.

 

[Conspirator.]

Of course not.

 

[Shruikan]

Yeah cause he learned the shadow clone, rasengan, rasengan variants, Sage Mode, summoning jutsu, frog kata, and KCM easily. He needed to train hard or he needed help.

Sasuke also trained hard for the Chidori and its variants and his Hawk summoning also required training which wasnt shown as he is not as much of a MC as Naruto is. most of Sasuke's physical training had already happened in the timeskip.Sasuke also doesnt do shadow clones as he doesnt have the chakra for it

So when you say spoon fed asspulls, I hope you are talking about Sasuke Uchiha. Whose brother force fed him a MS, set him up for EMS, and he unlocked three MS abilities without even training. Amaterasu, Kagutsuchi, and Susano'o.

You might as well say that everyone with dojutsu is spoonfed asspulls.Byakugan and Tenseigan able to cut the moon and shit without training
Its evens out as simply because most of the attacks Naruto trains in eg-Shadow clones,rasenshuriken and KCM are all because of the natural talent he already possesses but needs to control.For instance-he could do Rasenshuriken first because he is able to spawn clones ad retain decent chakra in all of them which isnt possible for a normal person

Arguably the only free powers they get between them is the Rikudou one's.

Their lineages itself gave them powerups

 

[UzumakiWade]

Hell no, whats the point when ill only get to be able to use that power for a little while until i go blind? Plus crying blood must hurt...So im not using Amaterasu, no thx.

 

[Narutohokage324]

Sasuke also trained hard for the Chidori and its variants and his Hawk summoning also required training which wasnt shown as he is not as much of a MC as Naruto is. most of Sasuke's physical training had already happened in the timeskip.Sasuke also doesnt do shadow clones as he doesnt have the chakra for it

We are talking about power ups. Sasuke only trained hard for Chidori and his speed, and Kenjutsu at best. He never even showcased an feat where he actually struggled learning a summoning jutsu unlike Naruto, so no.

You might as well say that everyone with dojutsu is spoonfed asspulls.Byakugan and Tenseigan able to cut the moon and shit without training

Mangekyo Sharingan/EMS/Tenseigan are Ass pulls.

The Byakugan/Sharingan do not automatically give you powers. Insight, foresight, and farther range/sensory? Yeah. Sure the 3T has instant genjutsu paralysis on eye contact (so that is a power technically), but aside that you still have to train to get used to those. MS/EMS is pretty much just try on your first time, and master it completely. Side effects? Sure.

Its evens out as simply because most of the attacks Naruto trains in eg-Shadow clones,rasenshuriken and KCM are all because of the natural talent he already possesses but needs to control.For instance-he could do Rasenshuriken first because he is able to spawn clones ad retain decent chakra in all of them which isnt possible for a normal person

This is a quote from a member of the Naruto-Base. Whom I could care less if you care for or not, but his words are true nevertheless. Arguing over who trained who or more, is pathetic. Naruto obviously struggled more than Sasuke to get to where he was. Anyway.

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Naruto
Trained for Kage bunshins
trained for rasengan
trained for summoning jutsu
Trained during the time skip
Trained for the rasenshuriken
trained for sage mode
trained for frog kata/frog fu
beat Kurama with the help of his mother and a bit of help with Bee
by gaining the trust of kirama for his hardworks and determination, he gained BM
Gained the trust of the bijuus by freeing them
received power up from the Sage

Sasuke
Had emotional breakdown to awaken his sharingan
trined for chidori
trained to reach Lee's speed
Was bitten in the neck for curse mark
Took a pill for curse mark v2
Trained during the time skip
trained for chidori variants
Awakened ms after he heard the truth about itachi
masked tobi to give him Itachi's eyes
received Hashirama's cells
received the rinnegan from sage of six paths

 

[Shruikan]

We are talking about power ups. Sasuke only trained hard for Chidori and his speed, and Kenjutsu at best. He never even showcased an feat where he actually struggled learning a summoning jutsu unlike Naruto, so no.

Uh yeah he is a genius.And care to show me proof he didnt train for summonings?Its been off panelled

Mangekyo Sharingan/EMS/Tenseigan are Ass pulls.

Effort is needed to get them in the first place.Killing someone who means dear to you is arguably worse than training hard and Tensei aso requires harvesting the Byakugans IIRC so its not free stuff

The Byakugan/Sharingan do not automatically give you powers. Insight, foresight, and farther range/sensory? Yeah. Sure the 3T has instant genjutsu paralysis on eye contact (so that is a power technically), but aside that you still have to train to get used to those. MS/EMS is pretty much just try on your first time, and master it completely.

Sasuke's Susanoo progressed the longer he fought.Not instantly and he needed to be healed by Karin quite a few times in between and he was fighting the Kages

Side effects? Sure.

Which are worse than the training part arguably.At least Naruto never risks blindness and crashing to the ground coughing blood

Naruto obviously struggled more than Sasuke to get to where he was. Anyway.

I would say Naruto trained more but Sasuke suffered more

I answered the spoilers part

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Naruto
Trained for Kage bunshins -But had enormous amount of chakra to waste to spam it in the first place
trained for rasengan -Agreed
trained for summoning jutsu -Agreed
Trained during the time skip -Sasuke and Oro mocked his training.It was laughably bad in comparison to Sasuke's training.Had Jiraiya told Naruto of the clones trick imagine how much he would have progressed
Trained for the rasenshuriken -Which required clones to pull off at which again is a product of his lineage
trained for sage mode -ok
trained for frog kata/frog fu-ok
beat Kurama with the help of his mother and a bit of help with Bee- Yeah but help is the key word.



Sasuke

Had emotional breakdown to awaken his sharingan-Watching your entire clan being murdered AND getting to relive it AGAIN in front of your dead Parents including the real time murder of the same in Tsukuyomi at 5 year old and being crapped on by your brother is worse than any training possible


Was bitten in the neck for curse mark Took a pill for curse mark v2-You do realise that its similar to the Kyuubi mode Naruto spammed while mad and the longer Sasuke uses it,his body is corroded

Awakened ms after he heard the truth about itachi -At that point Sasuke was still stronger than Naruto and he gave it everything he had even though he may not have fairly beaten Itachii so he deserves it.The fight is definitely one of the good ones in the series

masked tobi to give him Itachi's eyes-I kinda found it similar to how TnJed Kurama Lol

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[Narutohokage324]

Uh yeah he is a genius.And care to show me proof he didnt train for summonings?Its been off panelled

Who said he did not train for summoning? I said he did not struggle with it like Naruto, or do you want the scans of him struggling?
> You ask. Where do I come to the conclusion that he did not struggle? He was not even shown struggling for Chidori, he just had a limit because of his chakra. I doubt Sasuke would have struggled with a simple summoning jutsu seeing how he had nothing messing with his chakra control, and that he was a genius.

Effort is needed to get them in the first place.Killing someone who means dear to you is arguably worse than training hard

That has nothing to do with actually training to get the power since it comes naturally and instant. So that argument is invalid

Sasuke's Susanoo progressed the longer he fought.Not instantly and he needed to be healed by Karin quite a few times in between

Where is the training for his Susano'o that actually makes it training? BM was a powerup, was it trained for? No. Same for his 1-4 & PS Susano'os. No one is complaining here.

Which are worse than the training part arguably.At least Naruto never risks blindness and crashing to the ground coughing blood

Naruto almost lost the ability to use chakra forever with his RS training arc alone. They are about 50/50 in my eyes, not to mention the side effects become nonexistent with Sage Mode/EMS

I would say Naruto trained more but Sasuke suffered more

What does that have to do with training? That is the topic here, there is no point in talking about who suffered more.

 

[Kirokill]

No curse that.
I ain't taking a soul out for a selfish desire.

I'd kill him for a potato though.

 

[Shruikan]

Who said he did not train for summoning? I said he did not struggle with it like Naruto, or do you want the scans of him struggling?

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence

He was not even shown struggling for Chidori, he just had a limit because of his chakra.

He was shown training for it in the manga via flashbacks.He also was beat up IIRC and Kakashi warned him not use it more than thrice a day which he did anyway and fell unconscious in the gaara fight

I doubt Sasuke would have struggled with a simple summonings seeing how he had nothing messing with his chakra control, and that he was a genius.

Just because its not shown doesnt mean he didnt train for it.Hawk summonings dont come naturally.He trained for it but had an easier time than Naruto
Naruto may have piss poor chakra control that time but its negated by the fact that he has abnormally huge reserves to waste,3 times Kakashi's .Sasuke also didnt have good chakra control,probably a little better than Naruto

That has nothing to do with actually training to get the power since it comes naturally and instant. So that argument is invalid

Fighting someone in a deathmatch whilst in Tsukuyomi is not training?lol Mangekiyo is like a reward for the death match

Where is the training for his Susano'o that actually makes it training?

He unlocks the advanced version the longer he fights.The Susanoo had him fighting the Third Raikage,Mei,Gaara and 4 others not to mention Danzo with Izanagi all in one day and finally unlocked the armoured version before Kakashi and he finally started losing his sight.
The versions were unlocked as a result of his fights and the emotions he experienced in them.The unlocks dont require training but he fought the Kage Summit to unlock them fully in the end

Naruto almost lost the ability to use chakra forever with his RS training arc alone.

Tsunade said after a few attempts not instantly

They are about 50/50 in my eyes, not to mention the side effects become nonexistent with Sage Mode/EMS

Where did Naruto experience blindness,torturous pain in Training?The RS didnt hurt him nearly as much as the MS did to Sasuke.And being an Uzumaki,he heals quickly too and has amazing stamina unlike Sasuke

What does that have to do with training? That is the topic here, there is no point in talking about who suffered more.

It does as,its not freebies.One trained,the other struggled in other ways.Both are near even

 

[Ownfoolz]

No, I don't need power to be in peace with myself, only insecure rats do.

 

[Narutohokage324]

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence

So one training for something and struggled, does not correlate with a genius who was never shown to struggle with any techniques to master? Just sounds like bias reading comprehension here.

He was shown training for it in the manga via flashbacks.He also was beat up IIRC and Kakashi warned him not use it more than thrice a day

Who said he was not training for it? I said that he did not struggle to learn it. Being a genius and all ~
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Just because its not shown doesnt mean he didnt train for it.Hawk summonings dont come naturally.He trained for it but had an easier time than Naruto
Naruto may have piss poor chakra control that time but its negated by the fact that he has abnormally huge reserves to waste,3 times Kakashi's .Sasuke also didnt have good chakra control,probably a little better than Naruto

Excuses aside, Naruto had to train for summoning jutsu. Sasuke, learned through a time skip. Argubly he had never shown a flashback where he actually strugged to learn anything taught by Orochimaru nor Kakashi, so the logical conclusion lies where? An obvious statement to his talent, is that Sasuke never struggled to summon any of the Snake summonings.

Seeing how one calls him "sama" lol.

Fighting someone in a deathmatch whilst in Tsukuyomi is not training?lol Mangekiyo is like a reward for the death match

Training to get there you mean? What does that actually have to do with Mangekyo Sharingan? All I see in your posts are excuses to validate the nonexistant here. Sasuke trained to get to where he was, yes. Same with any other character. Does that mean he trained for MS when he activated? No. Not a chance in Hell would that make sense, unless you are turning into a fapper.

He unlocks the advanced version the longer he fights.The Susanoo had him fighting the Third Raikage,Mei,Gaara and 4 others not to mention Danzo with Izanagi all in one day and finally unlocked the armoured version before Kakashi and he finally started losing his sight.
The versions were unlocked as a result of his fights and the emotions he experienced in them.The unlocks dont require training but he fought the Kage Summit to unlock them fully in the end

So where exactly is his training? I'm failing to understand why you are bringing up points when the Susano'o unlocks after gaining two (or three) of the Mangekyo Techniques required to activate it. Seeing how the other two abilities came in an instant, Susano'o is no different. Justfying that is similar to me saying Naruto had to train for Bijuu Mode, when we know damn well he did not. It came with the power of friendship, and Susano'o evolved with Sasuke's emotions via Kage Summit Arc. So, again your argument is invalid.

Tsunade said after a few attempts not instantly

Yeah and Sasuke spammed his MS in a few attempts and did not get blind instantly.

Where did Naruto experience blindness,torturous pain in Training?The RS didnt hurt him nearly as much as the MS did to Sasuke.And being an Uzumaki,he heals quickly too and has amazing stamina unlike Sasuke

You seem to forgetting the cause of his training which hurt his overall body.

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The training itself was hard on him, and considering what Tsunade said about him continuously allowing the Kyuubi's chakra to harm his body. He would lose years out of his life. Did you just say MS is worse than RS after-effects? Oh my God...

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Hmph.

t does as,its not freebies.One trained,the other struggled in other ways.Both are near even

Not even close. Both trained, both struggled.

One trained even more to catch up to the other.