Would you cheat on your boyfriend/girlfriend if it was guaranteed they'd never know?

[Vapid]

I think emotions, faith, and beliefs are all primitive. I could turn this up, but I just got unbanned.

 

[Forest]

He's already admitted he won't listen and hasn't provided any logic. So you're right there is no real gained talk, I give up.

I see, I haven't read all of the posts here. But I was talking specifically about what he said here:

Yes, but how is cheating wrong? How is monogamy right? I'll answer it for you: because that's what's been engraved in our brains as a species without choice of thinking otherwise or "... But why?"

I already posted my opinion on cheating here. And I know what's "good" and what's "bad", and I live my life by my morals, and never condone anti social behavior, but for philosophical discussion and for the sake of debate I also acknowledge that good and bad could just be concepts created by human minds and aren't some sort of Universal law of morality. If I think cheating is wrong I won't call someone crazy for saying it's not, just cause it's challenging my views of the world. Let them state their questions, and continue from there without letting the debate fall into negative emotions and name calling and all that crap.

I think emotions, faith, and beliefs are all primitive. I could turn this up, but I just got unbanned.

You have no chill vapid.

 

[Revyy]

I own the moons.

Nihilist, or sociopath?

Nihilism is lacking a sense of value in existing and the world, believing there is no meaning to life, like he does, and all that awaits us is death.

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If you mean sociopath, yeah, psychopath is the better word to use, since he hasn't shown any signs of violence.

I will let you think what you want. But you might want to do a little research before you attach words to a definition. I was gonna break it down for you but I won't.

BTW did you know 6 different types exist? Wanna guess what one he is..cuz you aren't on the mark here.

 

[Wave.]

Nah, I wouldn't do my best friend's girl. As for the other scenario, I don't really believe in "love" so it really goes down to my wife. But then again if she's annoying to the point I'm willing to cheat on her, I would probably get a divorce.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I think emotions, faith, and beliefs are all primitive. I could turn this up, but I just got unbanned.

You're right. Going from slobbering, unthinking sacks of meat to emotions, faith and beliefs sure was a step down on the evolutionary ladder.

Remember that time a chicken dreamed of being an artist? Remember that time the pig had faith he wouldn't be turned into smoke sausage? Remember that time that lizard believed in all of his heart that his tail was gone forever this time? Yeah, those primitive animals, I tell ya

 

[Solo]

It's natural for people to look out for the well-being of others. Human beings have been designed by evolution to be a societal and social creature. As such, we have a natural sense of empathy and sympathy, we naturally care about the feelings of other living things. To cheat would be unnatural because it completely undermines that, it goes against our natural desire to have those close to us be happy, because cheating brings unhappiness.

Good post, but this is actually NOT true. The Church preached The Seven Deadly Sins and Seven Heavenly Virtues. Eventually, society begin to live by these concepts of morality. Do human truly care about others? I don't think empathy = caring. That's another topic though.

We are taught that "Sharing is caring", "what goes around, comes around", etc.. An only child who have everything doesn't play well with others. Not because he's a spoil brat, they were never taught to share with other. I'm not saying cheating is right or wrong. These concepts were thought up by church and society live by it. Saying Natural is too broad of a statement.

Basically. I guess we never really know until it happens, but i'm extremely confident I wouldn't.

Basically.

 

[Demonic.]

On the serious note, only if our relationship isn't serious...you know casual and stuff. As much as I want a nice guy, deep down in our sweet hearts we crave for *** more than anything in the world.

*cough* sl.ut *cough*

 

[Vapid]

Good post, but this is actually NOT true. The Church preached The Seven Deadly Sins and Seven Heavenly Virtues. Eventually, society begin to live by these concepts of morality. Do human truly care about others? I don't think empathy = caring. That's another topic though.

We are taught that "Sharing is caring", "what goes around, comes around", etc.. An only child who have everything doesn't play well with others. Not because he's a spoil brat, they were never taught to share with other. I'm not saying cheating is right or wrong. These concepts were thought up by church and society live by it. Saying Natural is too broad of a statement.

Basically.

He's deluded into thinking that his beliefs are his own.

 

[Solo]

He's deluded into thinking that his beliefs are his own.

Society shapes our beliefs.

 

[Vapid]

You're right. Going from slobbering, unthinking sacks of meat to emotions, faith and beliefs sure was a step down on the evolutionary ladder.

Remember that time a chicken dreamed of being an artist? Remember that time the pig had faith he wouldn't be turned into smoke sausage? Remember that time that lizard believed in all of his heart that his tail was gone forever this time? Yeah, those primitive animals, I tell ya

I guess some of us are pass that now and realize that emotions, faith and beliefs are useless in this day and age. :/

Society shapes our beliefs.

And some lack the open-mindedness to branch out, think for their own and formulate their own beliefs.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

I guess some of us are pass that now and realize that emotions, faith and beliefs are useless in this day and age. :/


And some lack the open-mindedness to branch out, think for their own and formulate their own beliefs.

That's right where the conversation should go, keep on it

 

[Punk Hazard]

I will let you think what you want. But you might want to do a little research before you attach words to a definition. I was gonna break it down for you but I won't.

BTW did you know 6 different types exist? Wanna guess what one he is..cuz you aren't on the mark here.

He's a moral nihilist, but also fits into the broader category, and the category of psychopathy.

Like a nihilist in the broad sense of the word, he believes human existence is meaningless, as he's expressed before.
Like a moral nihilist, he doesn't believe that there is any right or wrong, and that right and wrong and simply constructs determined by human beings(I also fall into this category somewhat), but from what I understand, moral nihilists don't have the apathy to the emotion of others as he does, which is more reminiscent to psychopathy. In fact, one statement from expressivism, a type of moral nihilism, shows blatant care for emotion, in that they feel they are "expressing not a truth of the world, but are venting their emotions"

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He has abandoned emotions, or so he claims/believes, but yet moral nihilists have expressed that they still carry emotion.

His lack of ability to relate to the emotions of another fits into the category of a psychopath.

 

[BlazeRelease]

I guess some of us are pass that now and realize that emotions, faith and beliefs are useless in this day and age. :/


And some lack the open-mindedness to branch out, think for their own and formulate their own beliefs.

Emotions are the reason you can enjoy life.
They are vital to anyone who experiences them.

I consider your lack of emotion rather primitive honestly, you haven't evolved enough as a person to understand how to enjoy life.

 

[Solo]

I guess some of us are pass that now and realize that emotions, faith and beliefs are useless in this day and age. :/


And some lack the open-mindedness to branch out, think for their own and formulate their own beliefs.

Everyone has an opinion, so who's right? If no one had an opinion, then no one's right.

 

[GhostProject]

Not thinking into the depths of abstract ranges such as emotion and beliefs leads to a shallow, primitive, and lonely existence.

Anyways on topic, no. I have to live with myself before anybody. How can I have pride if I know I'm dishonorable? What kind of life is it if I'm not my own hero?

 

[Punk Hazard]

Good post, but this is actually NOT true. The Church preached The Seven Deadly Sins and Seven Heavenly Virtues. Eventually, society begin to live by these concepts of morality. Do human truly care about others? I don't think empathy = caring. That's another topic though.

We are taught that "Sharing is caring", "what goes around, comes around", etc.. An only child who have everything doesn't play well with others. Not because he's a spoil brat, they were never taught to share with other. I'm not saying cheating is right or wrong. These concepts were thought up by church and society live by it. Saying Natural is too broad of a statement.

Basically.

Except human decency is not from religion. There are people who have never been religious and have never been brought up in a religious environment who possess human decency. Human decency, empathy and sympathy predates religions, and exist independently from them.

Empathy doesn't equal caring, I never said it does. Empathy is being able to put yourself in that position, relate yourself to it. Sympathy is the willingness to help, and human beings, I believe, has naturally developed these traits. As humans evolved into what they are now, they survived through being in groups, which is why we are social creatures now. In order for groups to survive, they needed empathy and sympathy, because without them, without understanding what is wrong and possessing a willingness to help, the group will lose members, dying out and reducing chances of survival.

He's deluded into thinking that his beliefs are his own.

Because you are the first and only person to think the way you do. Not a single person today has beliefs they completely crafted, realized and adopted in their own, and in that way, according to what you believe, every single person on this planet, every single one, have worthless beliefs and are deluded because their beliefs are not their own. You are the exact same.

I guess some of us are pass that now and realize that emotions, faith and beliefs are useless in this day and age. :/


And some lack the open-mindedness to branch out, think for their own and formulate their own beliefs.

An existence lacking emotion, faith and beliefs is an existence only good for suicide. Beliefs are useless in this day and age, and yet you exhibit beliefs? You believe that beliefs are useless, you feel "evolved" and ahead, and open-minded for possessing a trait that you condemn others for. If having "beliefs" is a sign of lacking open-mindedness, then you are in the same boat as those who have failed to reach this enlightenment you so proudly and falsely claim to exhibit. You are nothing more than the common nihilist.

The earth being round did not originate or belong to me, should I abandon it?
2+2=4, didn't originate with me or belong to me, should I abandon it?

This belief of yours that faith, emotions and beliefs are useless did not originate with you. I could just as easily say you were brainwashed into believing so as a system of marginalization, those who stand for nothing fall for anything. A man who lacks moral values, faiths, beliefs, emotions, is no man, he is either a mindless beast or a machine, both which are to be controlled. I could just as easily say your lack of values and emotion is the first step in mass-control, eliminate emotions and values under the guise of false enlightenment to free thinking, and you can be programmed into doing whatever by whoever.

 

[Vapid]

Because you are the first and only person to think the way you do. Not a single person today has beliefs they completely crafted, realized and adopted in their own, and in that way, according to what you believe, every single person on this planet, every single one, have worthless beliefs and are deluded because their beliefs are not their own. You are the exact same.

I highly doubt I'm the first, and your point is moot. My beliefs and ideals were formulated on my own, from what I've seen, from my own perspective; that's the point I was making. Everything you posted in this quoted section was irrelevant.

An existence lacking emotion, faith and beliefs is an existence only good for suicide. Beliefs are useless in this day and age, and yet you exhibit beliefs? You believe that beliefs are useless, you feel "evolved" and ahead, and open-minded for possessing a trait that you condemn others for. If having "beliefs" is a sign of lacking open-mindedness, then you are in the same boat as those who have failed to reach this enlightenment you so proudly and falsely claim to exhibit. You are nothing more than the common nihilist.

You call me a nihilist, yet you forget the definition of the word. Yes, I believe that beliefs are useless, as I do existence, but the thing is, I've decided to formulate my own useless beliefs regardless, as that's what I want to do with my negligible existence (call it a... "paradoxical loop"). The difference between you and me is that (I'm jumping to conclusions here, but it's so obvious) my useless beliefs are my own; yours aren't and are common in their concept (which is why so many here understand you: they too lack a perspective of their own).

The earth being round did not originate or belong to me, should I abandon it?
2+2=4, didn't originate with me or belong to me, should I abandon it?

Taking things out of context, and for what? This is the dumbest post I've seen from you thus far and it ruins the quality of the other sections of your full post.

This belief of yours that faith, emotions and beliefs are useless did not originate with you. I could just as easily say you were brainwashed into believing so as a system of marginalization, those who stand for nothing fall for anything. A man who lacks moral values, faiths, beliefs, emotions, is no man, he is either a mindless beast or a machine, both which are to be controlled. I could just as easily say your lack of values and emotion is the first step in mass-control, eliminate emotions and values under the guise of false enlightenment to free thinking, and you can be programmed into doing whatever by whoever.

You simply don't understand the difference between having formulated your useless beliefs on your own and having been affected (or rather brainwashed) by an external source. If I come to the same conclusion(s) as another, but both of us formulate our beliefs on our own, then neither of us, though similar in our trains of thought, are 'unoriginal' or brainwashed. You, on the other hand, along with others in this thread, have seemingly been brought up with a set of 'rights' and 'wrongs' engraved into your brains, with no chance of thinking otherwise.

That assertion would be contradictory, as you yourself have already been brainwashed into thinking that "A man who lacks moral values, faiths, beliefs, emotions, is no man, he is either a mindless beast or a machine, both which are to be controlled." I have at least formulated my beliefs that existence is useless and morals, faith and beliefs are all useless as well on my own.

 

[Jcub]

Integrity: Doing whats right in the absence of others.

 

[raziel777]

Huh, I just came here to say that I wouldn't do it. Cheating is not my style, I'd rather break up and be with the other person I'm attracted to.

However, I was once close to cheating. My relationship was dying and I was getting ever closer with someone, if things had kept going that way I probably would have cheated on my ex. Still, I think I would have broken up with her afterwards, she's a good girl and wouldn't deserve that.

 

[Solo]

Except human decency is not from religion. There are people who have never been religious and have never been brought up in a religious environment who possess human decency. Human decency, empathy and sympathy predates religions, and exist independently from them.

Empathy doesn't equal caring, I never said it does. Empathy is being able to put yourself in that position, relate yourself to it. Sympathy is the willingness to help, and human beings, I believe, has naturally developed these traits. As humans evolved into what they are now, they survived through being in groups, which is why we are social creatures now. In order for groups to survive, they needed empathy and sympathy, because without them, without understanding what is wrong and possessing a willingness to help, the group will lose members, dying out and reducing chances of survival.

You are right, I never said it comes from the Church. These ideals were preached by the church. Church back then had a lot of influence as compare to today. Back in the later periods of time, church was VERY important. Those who didn't believe in God, didn't have very many followers. Because of the consequences. You would probably be killed for not believing in God. Some of the people came to the New World aka America because of Religious Freedom. There was probably morality or rules in England that people who came to the New World kept and lived by and some they discarded.

A child might hate everything a parent believes. There will be things that child picked up from the parent that they will keep for the rest of their lives. Our morals are taught. We might discard some things(Religion, thoughts on cheating, abortions, etc), and we might come up with our own. But they are either taught or influence by another.

Why do you think they're awareness programs out here like STOP Bullying or Drug and Alcohol Programs? Because people are naturally "caring"? Empathy is understanding a person. You probably experience it yourself so you can empathize with that person. Sympathy is showing feeling. Just because you sympathize with someone, doesn't mean you understand them. If you are not emotionally attached to something, you care nothing for it.

It's this world, the strong survive and the weak will fall. For everything you do, there is a person who won't do it. Everything you won't do, there is person who will do it. That's why we all have different ideals.