Would you call Black Zetzu the most intelligent person in NV?
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Seventh Sama
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ArianitAlbanian
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he is a mindless zombie
just that kaguyas will was controlling him and he did all those things doesnt mean he is smart
just that kaguyas will was controlling him and he did all those things doesnt mean he is smart
Mikeuhsomething36
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Zetsu deceived the uchiha meaning he deceived itachi, madara, and many others. He solo'd the unsoloble juubidara, he manipulated negato, obito, and madara, and hashirama. Basically black zetsu is a sephiroth from ff7 of Naruto all for the sake of mother. At least it's more legit than obito wanting to solo the world cause his crush got killed.
Mikeuhsomething36
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Black Zetsu IS kaguya's will the incarnation. But I guess if you think about it just changing some text leads to all this XD but if you look at how he did it keeping track of everyone and not letting madara in on his intentions in fact no one knew is kind of smart and sneaky
avenged sevenfold
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I didn't say he wasn't smart or sneaky Did i ? he was smart pretty smart but he didn't manipulate itachi In fact Itachi did kinda destroy zetsu s plans by killing the entire uchiha clan (which means 0 reincarnations for the rinnegan) not only that be he delayed the plans on reviving the 10 tails and keeping konoha a super power by doing that he allowed the development of certain ninjas like kakashi and naruto Which are currectly the main heros
Mikeuhsomething36
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Itachi believed the text on the tablet did he disagree with it? Nope he agreed and knew it to the letter. Every uchiha believed it zetsu excluded no uchiha from getting deceived XD don't fanboy itachi he got deceived and you know it heck even saauke got deceived as even he was shocked. And itachi delaying zetsu's plans? What, itachi did none of the sort everything itachi did was irrelevant to zetsu's plan kabuto getting izanami'd delayed nothing madara still got revived nothing infringed on black zetsu's plan.
if anything black zetsu didn't care how long it took as long as mommy got resurrected. The only real set back if anything was how the reincarnations did nit do as black zetsu wanted. Itachi did not almost stop them madara practically already knew how to avert this black zetsu was concerned only for madara as he could do it he was unfazed by anything itachi did.
kaguya got revived solo end of story even obito knew madara would still make it cause...hes madara. Still a better love story than run and obito. I have no qualms with itachi but seriously he did get manipulated in the end whether you like it or not. Everyone basically did as ever event only leas up to kaguya's revival
if anything black zetsu didn't care how long it took as long as mommy got resurrected. The only real set back if anything was how the reincarnations did nit do as black zetsu wanted. Itachi did not almost stop them madara practically already knew how to avert this black zetsu was concerned only for madara as he could do it he was unfazed by anything itachi did.
kaguya got revived solo end of story even obito knew madara would still make it cause...hes madara. Still a better love story than run and obito. I have no qualms with itachi but seriously he did get manipulated in the end whether you like it or not. Everyone basically did as ever event only leas up to kaguya's revival
Mikeuhsomething36
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Actually Naruto is an uzumaki ashura lead descendants of the senju but he was revived in an uzumaki. So technically that assumption that no more reincarnations is null. There are many people with blood distant relations to indra I'm sure.but rinnegan wise he didn't need the entire uchiha he already stated madara was all he needed _@: it's not like he didn't know obito or revival techniques...oh wait. Madara already planned ahead to revive himself so the rest of the uchiha were irrelevant.
In fact if you watched the filler OBITO UCHIHA killed the clan NOT itachi. It was a filler episode itachi only killed his parents.
and the keeping konoha a super power didn't really dely the plan...if anything Minato causing obito to lose the kyruubi out of his grasp delayed the plan Minato and hashirama most likely are the ones that delayed it.
itachi is a great character but in the end everyone was used. Zersu used the akatsuki, itachi was in akatsuki, itachi read a Wikipedia page and believed it therefore he was manipulated. I can understand if you're an itachi fan but I honestly have to say he got manipulated
_@: it's not like he didn't know obito or revival techniques...oh wait. Madara already planned ahead to revive himself so the rest of the uchiha were irrelevant. In fact if you watched the filler OBITO UCHIHA killed the clan NOT itachi. It was a filler episode itachi only killed his parents.
and the keeping konoha a super power didn't really dely the plan...if anything Minato causing obito to lose the kyruubi out of his grasp delayed the plan Minato and hashirama most likely are the ones that delayed it.
itachi is a great character but in the end everyone was used. Zersu used the akatsuki, itachi was in akatsuki, itachi read a Wikipedia page and believed it therefore he was manipulated. I can understand if you're an itachi fan but I honestly have to say he got manipulated
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Lying is diffrent from deceiving don't missunderstand a few things the only thing obito lied to itachi was his name other than that They had terms which obito aknoledged and had thorns on his sides go read the connverssation that obito had after itachi died with zetsus obito himself admits that now that itachi s gone the thorn on obito s side are gone
Don't misunderstand stuff if madara where to not be revived bz s plan would have failed on top of that he actually needed the rest of the uchihas as a backup on top of that bz knew that the senju where not the only reancarnations for ashura but for indra only an uchiha can awaken the riinegan on the other side both the senju and uzumaki can have sage mode meaning that indra s reancarnation is only for uchihas while ashuras is for both the uchiha and senju as i said itachi delayed the plans and let the development of both naruto and kakashi which had a key role in this war (kakashi countering kamui) and naruto being the main hero on top of that he protected konoha which had a huge impact in this war as seen and also delayed the 10 tail revaivalActually Naruto is an uzumaki ashura lead descendants of the senju but he was revived in an uzumaki. So technically that assumption that no more reincarnations is null. There are many people with blood distant relations to indra I'm sure.but rinnegan wise he didn't need the entire uchiha he already stated madara was all he needed
In fact if you watched the filler OBITI UCHIHA killed the clan NOT itachi. It was a filler episode itachi only killed his parents.
and the keeping konoha a super power didn't really dely the plan...if anything Minato causing obito to lose the kyruubi out of his grasp delayed the plan Minato and hashirama most likely are the ones that delayed it.
itachi is a great character but in the end everyone was used. Zersu used the akatsuki, itachi was in akatsuki, itachi read a Wikipedia page and believed it therefore he was manipulated. I can understand if you're an itachi fan but I honestly have to say he got manipulated
Mikeuhsomething36
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But if obito lied to itachi about his name...and itachi believed him as madara and the rest if the world did.
the definition of deceiving:
de·ceive/diˈsēv/
verb
(of a person) cause (someone) to believe something that is not true, typically in order to gain some personal advantage.
so technically itachi was deceived :WIN: the advantage was so that no one figured he was obito if everyone believed he was madara he could keep the war going and trick people into thinking of him like that.
lying is just not telling the truth but obito did deceive itachi and so did black zetsu.
the definition of deceiving:
de·ceive/diˈsēv/
verb
(of a person) cause (someone) to believe something that is not true, typically in order to gain some personal advantage.
so technically itachi was deceived :WIN: the advantage was so that no one figured he was obito if everyone believed he was madara he could keep the war going and trick people into thinking of him like that.
lying is just not telling the truth but obito did deceive itachi and so did black zetsu.
Mikeuhsomething36
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Okay you didn't counter anything I said madara made sure his plan was fool proof you said if madara wasn't....madara would've been revived by either kabuto or negato, etc so that logic statement you made is out.
there is no manga proof that black zetsu knew the uzumaki's could also be reincarnations. Show me a manga page where he admits that otherwise it's purely assumptions. Who said that distant members of uchiha can't be reincarnations I don't remember your name being kishimoto. But there IS manga proof on black zetsu already knowing madara was all he needed and that madara would be revived i thought i already addressed this there is no proof in the manga saying black zetsu needed more uchiha as back up more assumptions, obito was in on it too but he still killed the uchiha soooooooooo anime fact for obito doloing the uchiha.
and much misled stop it states that you need both ashura's and indra's chakra to get hagoromo's chakra I.e the rinnegan. Hagoromo said so himself who said that a senju (ashura reincarnation) couldn't steal a EMS from an uchiha (indra reincarnation) to get the rinnegan it was never specifies. Only that ashura+indra=hagoromo so it's possible for a senju (ashura reincarnation) awaken the rinnegan by getting an EMS from an indra reincarnation your logic is flawed in that sense nit only uchiha can it was not stated. Just ashura and indra equal hagoromo. But it's easier for an uchiha too.
itachi died a hero he protected the leaf yes even though the hokage could've but that's besides the point the second hokage already said he kept the uchiha there so even if they revolt they can be dealt with immediately if you read his beginning answer to sasuke when sasuke asks him a question. Or when he criticizes the uchiha But yes itachi did save the leaf it would've been shisui tho if not for danzo :NO:
btw what.....does....sage mode...have to be with being a reincarnation......the only uzumaki with sage mode is Naruto. Minato had sage mode...jiraya had sage mode....ANY ninja can have sage mode with the proper training heck KABUTO had sage mode do by your logic those three could've been reincarnations. Plus if you watch the anime or read the mamga the frogs said the kyruubi made it easier for Naruto to master sage mode. Having sage mode has nothing to do with being a reincarnation.......just saying_@:
there is no manga proof that black zetsu knew the uzumaki's could also be reincarnations. Show me a manga page where he admits that otherwise it's purely assumptions. Who said that distant members of uchiha can't be reincarnations I don't remember your name being kishimoto. But there IS manga proof on black zetsu already knowing madara was all he needed and that madara would be revived i thought i already addressed this there is no proof in the manga saying black zetsu needed more uchiha as back up more assumptions, obito was in on it too but he still killed the uchiha soooooooooo anime fact for obito doloing the uchiha.
and much misled stop it states that you need both ashura's and indra's chakra to get hagoromo's chakra I.e the rinnegan. Hagoromo said so himself who said that a senju (ashura reincarnation) couldn't steal a EMS from an uchiha (indra reincarnation) to get the rinnegan it was never specifies. Only that ashura+indra=hagoromo so it's possible for a senju (ashura reincarnation) awaken the rinnegan by getting an EMS from an indra reincarnation your logic is flawed in that sense nit only uchiha can it was not stated. Just ashura and indra equal hagoromo. But it's easier for an uchiha too.
itachi died a hero he protected the leaf yes even though the hokage could've but that's besides the point the second hokage already said he kept the uchiha there so even if they revolt they can be dealt with immediately if you read his beginning answer to sasuke when sasuke asks him a question. Or when he criticizes the uchiha But yes itachi did save the leaf it would've been shisui tho if not for danzo :NO:
btw what.....does....sage mode...have to be with being a reincarnation......the only uzumaki with sage mode is Naruto. Minato had sage mode...jiraya had sage mode....ANY ninja can have sage mode with the proper training heck KABUTO had sage mode do by your logic those three could've been reincarnations. Plus if you watch the anime or read the mamga the frogs said the kyruubi made it easier for Naruto to master sage mode. Having sage mode has nothing to do with being a reincarnation.......just saying
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