Would sasuke have still outclassed team 7 if Kakashi
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Kirin has prep time too. Not to mention he has to stand still to even use it and form it. Too easy for Kamui to hit. Hebu Sasuke cannot handle team 7 at all. Kakashi, Sai, Sakura, and Naruto. You seriously hype Sasuke up to no end. I'm not even going to explain how he loses because it is a given.
I disagree, but you're entitled to your opinion as I am to mine, Yamato isn't a Jonin for nothing, and feats mean nothing when compared to a main character who is stated to be favored by the writer himself. Yamato has Jutsu that should outclass pre-hebi Sasuke, long ranged wood jutsu, turning his body to wood. People take that encounter too seriously, but whatevs, I'm done.
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Sasuke doesn't need Kirin and Kakashi had to prep Kamui at that point of the series for so long that anyone not moving linear can move from its sight. Kamui would have to be a non factor and yes Sasuke could have definetly handled them by using his CM. Only Kakashi can really keep up with him but if he used Manda then the situation would be getting worst for team 7 especially if Sasuke was on killing intent while team 7 was trying to capture him.
In a straight on fight, Kakashi could take on Sasuke and start beating him mid-high diff.
However, once Sasuke starts losing, if he brings out Manda or CM, that will give Sasuke the ultimate win.
Teamwork with Naruto and Sakura though can allow Kakashi to possibly pull out the win against Sasuke assuming
Oro and Kabuto stay put. However, Manda will stay play a huge problem that Gamabunta won't be able to
fix completely.
Thus, it would go extreme-high diff either way. But yeah, I don't see Sasuke, without using CM or summonings, ever beating
Kakashi by himself at that point.
However, once Sasuke starts losing, if he brings out Manda or CM, that will give Sasuke the ultimate win.
Teamwork with Naruto and Sakura though can allow Kakashi to possibly pull out the win against Sasuke assuming
Oro and Kabuto stay put. However, Manda will stay play a huge problem that Gamabunta won't be able to
fix completely.
Thus, it would go extreme-high diff either way. But yeah, I don't see Sasuke, without using CM or summonings, ever beating
Kakashi by himself at that point.
People that seriously suggest Yamato could stall, let alond beat Sasuke at the time need to log off this site for a while and think about the shit they say. Sasuke single handedly stomped Team 7, no if or but. Would have Kakashi made a difference? Yes, wheter it would warrant a victory is debatable but Sasuke would have to get serious in order to win againts him, Naruto, Sakura and Sai. Totally unlike the manga where he resorted to three techs and made them shit in their pants.
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When Sasuke first got the curse mark and Kakashi sealed up, Orochimaru confronted Kakashi and after Orochimaru left Kakashi confirmed that He was afraid of Orochimaru and of dying at His Hand. It is in the Manga. Kakashi is not in Orochimaru league. Orochimaru is a Sannin with larger chakra reserves than Kakashi and more S rank jutsus than Kakashi.
UnknownJin
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This is how you know Sasuke wins. People are giving Kakashi feats he shouldn't have. Kakashi should not have any feats beyond the Team 7 vs Sasuke. Why are people giving him Pain arc feats, War arc feats? Kakashi and Sasuke should not have feats beyond that point.
Holy shit.. The Sasuke hate is real.
Holy shit.. The Sasuke hate is real.
King Of Pop
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he had to first prepare it, and his aim wasnt totally on point, secondly he only used kamui as a last resort during those times due it crapping on his condition after he uses it so i have no reason to believe he would use it from the get go and thats more than enough time for sasuke to dash at him or out of the way. and if his attempt does indeed fail, it would mess up his body and thats completely disadvantageous
he is the only relevant one here. sakura couldnt follow sasukes speed at the time, neither did naruto so they get picked apart with ease, sai already got stomped by genjutsu earlier, sasuke casually shat all over his pathetic attempt to bind him with his drawings so hes not doing anything even remotely relevant. those 3 all die terribly with a bloodlust cm2 sasuke on their tails. it would come down to kakashi and sasuke can edge him out.
exactly my point
they act like sasuke was going all out. he hardly broke a sweat
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Tbh kyuubi naruto could take manda. He seriously can. Kakashi can take Sasuke, especially with others help. He is a perfect captain. He's shown this plenty of times. He uses his comrades strength because teamwork beats everything. Sasuke wont be suppressing Naruto with Kakashi at large like a true ninja and Sakura or Sai ready to strike. Also Kakashi could negate any lightning jutsu. You seriously overestimate Sasuke and underestimate Kakashi. He does'nt need all those fancy moves to win. Just his brain and team 7 are enough.
And Manda is not his loyal summoning and may or not even fight for him.
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And people are forgetting that it was Naruto who weaken Orochimaru in His 4 tailed form that put Orochimaru in bead that gave Sasuke the opportunity to fight Orochimaru on even terms. Not to mention that Orochimaru waited too long to take over Sasuke by giving Him one or more jutsus to face Him. For Sasuke was yet to reach His peak in power, look what Bee did to Him and His team. Arrogance in battle can lead to ones death if not careful.
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So people saying Sasuke stomp Team 7
A Naruto who was exhausted.
Yamato who in hindsight seems retarded trying to block lightening Chakra flow with an ordinary Kunai. This makes Yamato look like a noob...especially being Kakashi's former subordinate.
In reality, it wasn't even a fight...his opponents only attempted to restrain him and he got them with a surprise attack
over-hyped much?
A Naruto who was exhausted.
Yamato who in hindsight seems retarded trying to block lightening Chakra flow with an ordinary Kunai. This makes Yamato look like a noob...especially being Kakashi's former subordinate.
In reality, it wasn't even a fight...his opponents only attempted to restrain him and he got them with a surprise attack
over-hyped much?
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Woww people are serious here? Sasuke stomped team 7 at the time no debate in fact it was almost sad to see that naruto and sakura even with sannin teachers still had nothing close to sasuke at the time if he would have used cm dear god the rape would have been insane,kakashi being their may have changed scenarios but the kabuto and oro would have stepped in along with a serious sasuke they destroy team 7 at the time mid diff
A one on one with hebi sasuke and kakashi is debatable but sasuke takes this do too cm2 superior speed and raiton variants and kaumi at the time is too slow to hit godlike speed deidara barely got hit amd sasuke is wayyy faster
A one on one with hebi sasuke and kakashi is debatable but sasuke takes this do too cm2 superior speed and raiton variants and kaumi at the time is too slow to hit godlike speed deidara barely got hit amd sasuke is wayyy faster
At this point in time, Kakashi was inferior to Sasuke in terms of speed and stamina in base but the cursed seal would give him additional speed albeit at a cost of chakra. If it came down to a chidori VS Raikiri clash, Sasuke's CS2 chidori will overpower it and kill Kakashi. Clone feints can be a problem but Sasuke can
With Sai's help, I don't see Sasuke winning.
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to fend them off. With Sai's help, I don't see Sasuke winning.
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If Orochimaru and Kabuto wouldn't interfere...
Kakashi would've solo'd Sasuke. Other than Kirin, none of Sasuke's ninjutsu at that time could've overwhelmed Kakashi. And of course, Kirin takes far too long to activate.
Kakashi's superior strategic mind would've caused him the victory. He has too many jutsu and techniques at his disposal to have been taken down by Sasuke then and there.
Sasuke may have more chakra, but not enough that it would've made a difference in a fight against a genius who doesn't rely on jutsu that requires substantial amounts of chakra.
Kakashi would've defeated Sasuke using mostly C- and D-rank jutsu and weapons/tools, and maybe just a single Lightning Blade as some sort of fake/diversion.
Sasuke probably wouldn't even have bothered trying to outsmart his former sensei because he has witnessed Kakahi's genius many times in Part 1.
Anyone who thinks that Sasuke would've won needs to reread the manga.
Kishi obviously only made Sasuke seem so powerful to debut his Shippuden appearance.
Kishi couldn't have had Sasuke look fodder on his first appearance since the time-skip.
Kakashi would've solo'd Sasuke. Other than Kirin, none of Sasuke's ninjutsu at that time could've overwhelmed Kakashi. And of course, Kirin takes far too long to activate.
Kakashi's superior strategic mind would've caused him the victory. He has too many jutsu and techniques at his disposal to have been taken down by Sasuke then and there.
Sasuke may have more chakra, but not enough that it would've made a difference in a fight against a genius who doesn't rely on jutsu that requires substantial amounts of chakra.
Kakashi would've defeated Sasuke using mostly C- and D-rank jutsu and weapons/tools, and maybe just a single Lightning Blade as some sort of fake/diversion.
Sasuke probably wouldn't even have bothered trying to outsmart his former sensei because he has witnessed Kakahi's genius many times in Part 1.
Anyone who thinks that Sasuke would've won needs to reread the manga.
Kishi obviously only made Sasuke seem so powerful to debut his Shippuden appearance.
Kishi couldn't have had Sasuke look fodder on his first appearance since the time-skip.
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Early Shippuden Kakashi > Early Shippuden Kabuto, in a fight with killing intent. Yeah, if Kabuto would just want to toy with and divert Kakashi by using trickery and shameful tactics, he would succeed.
But ultimately, Sasuke, Orochimaru, and Kabuto vs Kakashi, Naruto, Sakura, and Sai, Team Sasuke would've definitely won.