Would Pein be more effective in battle than Nagato?

[FreakensteinAG]

Did ja pull that one out of your ass? There was absolutely no indication whatsoever that such an occurance took place in their fight

It was not directly stated as such, but you have to analyze the fight as it progressed. One would initially believe that fighting all six Pains at once would be the most difficult time, but it actually got harder for Naruto as he dragged on. Think about it. Nagato had to control all six Pains at once to fight against Naruto. He had to deviate his chakra control to the ones in danger and to the ones assisting the one under attack just to keep up and defend against him. The beginning was so easy, in fact, that Naruto started off the fight against 5 Pains, because he automatically destroyed one Pain in one hit! What happened to the six Rinnegan surveying every instance of the battlefield? You know if there were fewer or just one Pain he would have dodged it. But that wasn't the case--he was controlling all six, thus could not possibly use the Pains for attacking while simultaneously having one other dodge a swift attack.

Then there's the conclusive data where the amount of manga/anime time Naruto took to destroy a Pain is exponentially-higher as the number of Pains dropped. It took several episodes to destroy the last one, dattebayo!

 

[Dreckerplayer]

So he may not giove more airtime with Hyugas, but they still have lore, strange symbols that are also present in the Uchiha compound, eyes that represent Balance, and their mysterious origins that make them more suspicious than an FBI agent at a Texas rodeo.

lmao,

Okay, so Uchiha and Hyuuga have some sort of relation(stated in part 1), but that relation has YET to be expounded.

It's just ridiculous. The origin of the Rinnegan and Sharingan have been explained a lot, but the byakugan is STILL a damn mystery. That's my point, the Hyuugas clearly have an importance, even pertaining to the sharingan's origin, apparently.

Remember when they said that the hyuugas placed seals on the lower branch, so they wouldn't tell all their secrets? WHAT SECRETS!!!! He's been building sooo much suspense and curiosity about the Hyuugas since part 1, and still won't even give them the acknowledgement they need.

Yet he still, to this very day, won't expound.(Since the relation hasn't been presented)Madara isn't even phased by the byakugan when he sees it, he doesn't acknowledge the byakugan, not commenting on it.

 

[FreakensteinAG]

It's just ridiculous. The origin of the Rinnegan and Sharingan have been explained a lot, but the byakugan is STILL a damn mystery. That's my point, the Hyuugas clearly have an importance, even pertaining to the sharingan's origin, apparently.

Remember when they said that the hyuugas placed seals on the lower branch, so they wouldn't tell all their secrets? WHAT SECRETS!!!! He's been building sooo much suspense and curiosity about the Hyuugas since part 1, and still won't even give them the acknowledgement they need.

Yet he still, to this very day, won't expound.(Since the relation isn't even been presented)Madara isn't even phased by the byakugan we he sees it, he doesn't even acknowledge the byakugan, not even commenting on it.

Join the club, man. I'm hosting a Coast-to-Coast AM radio talk discussing the mysteries of the Hyuga clan. Those tens of thousands of shinobi are around them and they are not the least bit concerned, which is alarming! We must raise awareness! Who are these people!?

 

[sulanis]

nah, nagato is a lot more effective in just his single form because each separate form can just be an extended thing to worry about and spread your concentration else where

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

lmao,

Okay, so Uchiha and Hyuuga have some sort of relation(stated in part 1), but that relation has YET to be expounded.

It's just ridiculous. The origin of the Rinnegan and Sharingan have been explained a lot, but the byakugan is STILL a damn mystery. That's my point, the Hyuugas clearly have an importance, even pertaining to the sharingan's origin, apparently.

Remember when they said that the hyuugas placed seals on the lower branch, so they wouldn't tell all their secrets? WHAT SECRETS!!!! He's been building sooo much suspense and curiosity about the Hyuugas since part 1, and still won't even give them the acknowledgement they need.

Yet he still, to this very day, won't expound.(Since the relation isn't even been presented)Madara isn't even phased by the byakugan when he sees it, he doesn't even acknowledge the byakugan, not even commenting on it.

Kakashi stated that "Some" believe it relates to the uchiha meaning not everyone believes this and it might not even be true in the first place.The origins of the byakugan serve no relevance to anything going on in the story and never has.
It would be nice for use fans of the byakugan but not necessary for moving the story forward.

"That's my point, the Hyuugas clearly have an importance, even pertaining to the sharingan's origin, apparently."


The hyuuga bear no importance to the sharingans origins/how one uses it or in any sense whatsoever couple this with the that fact since the one time kakashi stated "Some" believe it hasn't even been addressed or ever hinted at again.

It was small talk nothing more.

 

[Wind Squid]

It was not directly stated as such, but you have to analyze the fight as it progressed. One would initially believe that fighting all six Pains at once would be the most difficult time, but it actually got harder for Naruto as he dragged on. Think about it. Nagato had to control all six Pains at once to fight against Naruto. He had to deviate his chakra control to the ones in danger and to the ones assisting the one under attack just to keep up and defend against him. The beginning was so easy, in fact, that Naruto started off the fight against 5 Pains, because he automatically destroyed one Pain in one hit! What happened to the six Rinnegan surveying every instance of the battlefield? You know if there were fewer or just one Pain he would have dodged it. But that wasn't the case--he was controlling all six, thus could not possibly use the Pains for attacking while simultaneously having one other dodge a swift attack.

Then there's the conclusive data where the amount of manga/anime time Naruto took to destroy a Pain is exponentially-higher as the number of Pains dropped. It took several episodes to destroy the last one, dattebayo!

There's a perfectly logical explanation behind the exactly-specific way, in which the whole Naruto/Pein battle had unfolded.

-Asura's path death was due to: Naruto sucker-sage-punching it. Nagato had minimum intel on the scale of Naruto's power, so he honestly had no idea he'd even be able to dodge Asura's attack.
-Long haired-dude path death was due to: ^ the same reason. Rasen-shuriken's massively overwhelming power caught Nagato off guard. (you can clearly see the astonished face his Animal path had attm)
- Animal path's death was due to: External help from grandpa toad-sage launching bunta and and Naruto-sucker-rasengan-ing it.


Well, you get the idea. Pein got dispatched because they weren't ready for the whole fight. Deva didn't even have his signature move at the start. And the only reason Deva lasted so long was due to: DEVA BEING THE STRONGEST PATH EVAAAAHR!!!!!11111ONE

 

[Dreckerplayer]

Join the club, man. I'm hosting a Coast-to-Coast AM radio talk discussing the mysteries of the Hyuga clan. Those tens of thousands of shinobi are around them and they are not the least bit concerned, which is alarming! We must raise awareness! Who are these people!?

Kishi seriously needs to make one up, soon! We're in the final arc, so theories and fanfic won't do anything for me!

 

[FreakensteinAG]

The hyuuga bear no importance whatsoever since the one time stated "Some" believe hasn't even been addressed or ever hinted at again.

Gonna borrow an image from Shouri Uchiha for a moment. I'm going to be calm when I show this:

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WHAT IS THIS!?

I apologize--I'm contributing to the off-topicness of the thread

 

[YellowFang]

Nagato with legs is better than Pain...

 

[RikudoKami]

Six Paths of Pein is hilarious, you're basically fighting each path in a body, but a very small Scale, about 16% of 100.

The fact that Nagato Solo'd Konoha, the Six Tails, Hanzo & his clan, & other encounters, with just the Six Paths of Pein, shows you how truly power he is.

Oh yeah if by some miracle you beat Pein, then you move on to God himself..... & his powers of the unpredictable Rinnegan, makes him the true Solo God.

 

[FreakensteinAG]

There's a perfectly logical explanation behind the exactly-specific way, in which the whole Naruto/Pein battle had unfolded.

-Asura's path death was due to: Naruto sucker-sage-punching it. Nagato had minimum intel on the scale of Naruto's power, so he honestly had no idea he'd even be able to dodge Asura's attack.
-Long haired-dude path death was due to: ^ the same reason. Rasen-shuriken's massively overwhelming power caught Nagato off guard. (you can clearly see the astonished face his Animal path had attm)
- Animal path's death was due to: External help from grandpa toad-sage launching bunta and and Naruto-sucker-rasengan-ing it.


Well, you get the idea. Pein got dispatched because they weren't ready for the whole fight. Deva didn't even have his signature move at the start. And the only reason Deva lasted so long was due to: DEVA BEING THE STRONGEST PATH EVAAAAHR!!!!!11111ONE

These are good explanations as these are what happened to cause the Pains' deaths. One has to wonder why these bodies are able to take poundings, though. Was the second Animal Path even a legitimate shinobi?

 

[Dreckerplayer]

Gonna borrow an image from Shouri Uchiha for a moment. I'm going to be calm when I show this:

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WHAT IS THIS!?

I apologize--I'm contributing to the off-topicness of the thread

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Let's not forget this, either.

Edit:Sad attempt at trying to debunk my statement. "Hyuga serve no importance whatsoever"

How would YOU know something like that? Their symbols are everywhere, lmao.

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

Gonna borrow an image from Shouri Uchiha for a moment. I'm going to be calm when I show this:

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WHAT IS THIS!?

I apologize--I'm contributing to the off-topicness of the thread

Before i even reply why don't you tell me what that is hmm ?
And you obviously did not even bother to read what i said.

I never stated outright that they do not have a connection i said the connection was stated as a maybe and might not possibly exist.
I go on to say that the byakugan holds no relevance to the story you know the plot ? And never has and also holds no relevance to the origins of the sharingan as you stated in your post.They don't because the one time the subject of them being related is brought up its presented as rumor and we all know where the sharingan derives from now.The uchiha ancestor who had a totally different dojustu.


Showing a symbol you know nothing about doesn't change the rumor to facts and doesn't suddenly make the byakugan intergral to the plot or the sharingan


Its origins being explained would be nice ,but once again as i said not necessary for the plot.
And since it is never mentioned again kishi seems fine with keeping it that way.

Not every clan will be dissected to your liking lol

Not that it should shoehorning things just for minimal fan satisfaction could stall the plot longer then these flash backs

 

[Sharinnigan]

ok ok people calm down, for one this isnt an obvious answer, so those who are like omgawd obviously 6paths is better, no actually they're even, both having pros and cons. For one, i can say they're even because in a sense they are the same person, but both have major pros, and major cons. The big pro for 6 paths of pein is the fact that he has shared vision, which is a huuuuuuuuuuge advantage on the battlefield. The major con for 6 paths is that all his powers are divided, so once the ability of each path has been figured out, its easier to take them out. Now the big pro for nagato should be obvious, he can do all the paths techniques, virtually making him invincible to anything really (note i said virtually, so dont get butthurt thinking im calling him a god or something). Nagato's major con however to having all the paths, are that he doesn't have that shared vision at all, thats really it....... I'd like to say Nagato is probably better than the 6 paths but since its the same person and they both have pros n cons lets just say its a tie ok?

 

[FreakensteinAG]

Before i even reply why don't you tell me what that is ?
Ill wait ........

It's a symbol that is both on the Uchiha underground chambers that the Sage himself carved out while he made the Uchiha tablet and on the jackets of the Hyuga Main Family.

Including the other picture given, the Hyuga family crest is shown smack in the middle of Banbutsu Sozo, alluding both the need of Balance in the equation as well as the necessity of The Chakra Network, which the Sage needs to see to perfect his imaginations.

Okay, I'm done with this part of the discussion, I don't want to contribute to the off-topicness anymore. This is a good thread; I don't want to be the one to get it locked Lol

 

[Dreckerplayer]

Before i even reply why don't you tell me what that is hmm ?
And you obviously did not even bother to read what i said.

I never stated outright that they do not have a connection i said the connection was stated as a maybe and might not possibly exist.
I go on to say that the byakugan holds no relevance to the story you know the plot ? And never has and also holds no relevance to the origins of the sharingan as you stated in your post.They don't because the one time the subject of them being related is brought up its presented as rumor and we all know where the sharingan derives from now.The uchiha ancestor who had a totally different dojustu.


Showing a symbol you know nothing about doesn't change the rumor to facts and doesn't suddenly make the byakugan intergral to the plot or the sharingan

The hyuuga bear no importance whatsoever

If they have a connection, of course they're gonna have importance, since the main protagonists are Uchiha. When I said importance, I was referring to the mutation of sharingan, NOT THE PLOT. It's not a matter of whether it's important to the plot or not(which is not up to you), it's a long time mystery that needs to be solve, for closure.

Edit: Well, back to the point. Yes, Pain would be more effective in battle.

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

It's a symbol that is both on the Uchiha underground chambers that the Sage himself carved out while he made the Uchiha tablet and on the jackets of the Hyuga Main Family.

Including the other picture given, the Hyuga family crest is shown smack in the middle of Banbutsu Sozo, alluding both the need of Balance in the equation as well as the necessity of The Chakra Network, which the Sage needs to see to perfect his imaginations.

Okay, I'm done with this part of the discussion, I don't want to contribute to the off-topicness anymore. This is a good thread; I don't want to be the one to get it locked Lol

I can see your in the habit of only answering or even acknowledging only what you want to answer and continue to remain ignorant to my overall point.Your stretching with your last statement considering the sage only had two sons and guess what their names were not hyuga ancestors so what you says falls flat without tangible proof which is what i have been trying to get across to you.Well nice talking to you.

 

[Wind Squid]

I'm deleting this thread if you won't go back to topic

 

[+PDatta+]

I personally feel, both forms have their advantages and disadvantages;

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here is my analysis :

1) Nagato has only one pair hands (disadvantage) while the six paths have a total of six pairs of hands (advantage) enabling them to use more hand seals simultaneously, this can be very helpful at times.

2) Nagato can use his whole chakara very efficiently while using his own body (resulting in extremely efficient jutsu handling and high damage output) whereas six paths receive their chakara from Nagato through black rods embedded in them (hence, reducing the damage output and chakara store in each of them)

3) Nagato has no movement limitations while using his own body(advantage), but the six paths do have some constraints. They cannot move far away and are bound to the location of the main body (ie Nagato's), they also get reduced chakara supply if their distance from the main body is increased (as explained by tendo pein in manga).

4) Nagato (using his own body) has only two eyes (rinnegan) which can be shared with his summonings(reduced area of shared view) whereas six paths have six pairs of rinnegan plus all those nasty summonings (fu*king insane area of shared view, helping them to preemptively see and dodge easily and effortlessly).

5) Nagato can use all the powers of the rinnegan himself (huge advantage), but each one of the six paths can use only one of the six powers that the rinnegan offers (can be easily spotted and countered once its powers are known).​

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Hence, I conclude, Nagato himself is more effective if its a one-on-one (or three-on-one at the max) fight as he will be able to focus on one target and attack with all his strength(example: biiju mode Naruto + killer B + itachi -->> "well !! lets exclude itachi's intelligence"). But against an army or a village (of low or medium level shinobis) the six paths of pein will be far more effective.

 

[Dreckerplayer]

I can see your in the habit of only answering or even acknowledging only what you want to answer and continue to remain ignorant to my overall point.Your stretching with your last statement considering the sage only had two sons and guess what their names were not hyuga ancestors so what you says falls flat without tangible proof which is what i have been trying to get across to you.Well nice talking to you.

Hilarious, this person wants to act pretentious, now.

Your only goal is to debunk, not to listen. Your bad typing skills,run-on sentences, and lack of commas make you lose credibility in this debate.

Edit:But back to the point, Pain is more effective and mobile in battle. With Nagato, it just uses less chakra.