Would Itachi be suitable for Hokage?

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I think that if he lived long enough, and that he was able to stop the rebellion peacefully, then Minato might have very well named Itachi his successor. Itachi would have been a great hokage in my mind.
 

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The purpose was to prevent a war that the uchiha was planning to do. So he took the burden into preventing that.

Take it how you wanna.
and helped start another. Take it how you want.

Dont even bother, its useless.

If they dont like a character, why join a thread about him, spend time to post replies and talk shit and get mad over a comic character.

I dont get it. Its beyond me.
i'll tell you what's beyond me: ppl knowingly go into a thread that invites opposing opinions and display the personality of crybabies because someone would dare say something that goes against their fandom/opinion. I only see one party getting emotional to the point of telling ppl here to the point of telling someone to "GTFOH" o: Itachi fans/fanboys. What he did is in the manga for everybody to see and formulate their own opinions off of. Nobody has to 100% agree with someone's ideology/actions solely because some protagonist character says it was ok. I have my own mind and since it is an open thread for anyone to voice their thoughts on, i can go in any thread and say what i want so long as i do it within the rules.

If i know one thing, it's this: in my exp, no matter what forum i am part of, Itachi's fanbase are among the ones that are never able to handle some real talk. If you didn't have such trouble reading the context of sentences, you would know that this is a straight, unemotional observation. If you can't handle it, that's your problem. I don't give my opinions in a thread like this to pander to fanbases. If you thought i did, then you thought wrong.
 
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No. He doesn't have enough charisma and seems to lack largely in the empathy/emotional expression departments (even before the massacre) which would lead to him not being highly relatable or even being able to inspire non-uchiha.

Tobirama lacked in the empathy/emotional expression as well, being a leader doesnt necessarily mean you have to be goofy, but rather intelligent, calm, and wise enough to make the right decisions. Now you know the phrase about Itachi at 7 years old dont you =D

Not only this, but he thinks only with his head and not enough with his emotions. The whole genocide as a preemptive means to combat war was a heartless solution. It may have been the best on paper, but it does not embody the spirit of the leaf, let alone very much humanity. In the position of a leader, it was truly one of the worst solutions possible.

He cried multiple times during the massacre, but he did it for the love of the village, while I agree it was a heartless solution, just letting Konoha fight a civil war and risking the invasion of other villages would've been worse.

Not only was he completely manipulated by the psychopath Danzo, but other than intelligence, Itachi lacks very important leadership qualities. Even before the genocide, Itachi was not the type of person that could be a human symbol of the leaf. Perhaps an older, wiser, and undisturbed Itachi would have these qualities, but he clearly was not ready at the time for such a decision, let alone becoming a hokage.

He wasnt manipulated by Danzo, those were the only real choices he had to make, since the civil war would start in 2 days, didnt have much time left seeing as Hiruzen was sittin on his ass hittin dat pipe doing nothing.
He was the captain of an Anbu squad at 13 years. If not for Danzo, Kakashi would've become Hokage, and he had no leadership skill besides training 3 kids for a few months while Itachi had to take care of a team full of elite shinobi


I love Itachi, but his character is not comparable to Hashirama, Hiruzen, Minato, or Tsunade, all of which who show qualities of great leaders. He is similar to Tobirama in some ways, but even Tobirama's term as Hokage could be been in question considering all the problems his actions caused down the road.

Hiruzen great leader? He is fighting 1v1 with Tobirama for the worst kage possible. Besides stopping the Konoha destruction mid-way, he literally didnt do anything good.
Let Orochimaru escape
Started the 3rd Ninja war, leaving war orphans which eventually destroyed konoha at an older age.
Didnt help Minato beat the kyuubi, he didnt do shiet.
All he did against Orochimaru is seal his hands, which he got the back anyway, even tough he could seal his soul.
Didnt do anything to prevent the civil war vs Uchiha

Character has nothing to do with ability to protect the village and have enough wisdom to make proper decisions, like maybe talking to the Uchiha leader. Maybe?
Itachi can protect the village better than most other hokages and got love for the village more than other kages except Hashirama and probably Minato.

Shisui was a better candidate, but Itachi would make a hell of a hokage too.
 

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and helped start another. Take it how you want.

i'll tell you what's beyond me: ppl knowingly go into a thread that invites opposing opinions and display the personality of crybabies because someone would dare say something that goes against their fandom/opinion. I only see one party getting mad and talking smack about ppl here to the point of telling someone to "GTFOH": Itachi fans/fanboys. What he did is in the manga for everybody to see and formulate their own opinions off of. Nobody has to 100% agree with someone's ideology/actions solely because some protagonist character says it was ok. I have my own mind and since it is an open thread for anyone to voice their thoughts on, i can go in any thread and say what i want so long as i do it within the rules.

If i know one thing, it's this: in my exp, no matter what forum i am part of, Itachi's fanbase are among the ones that are never able to handle some real talk.

You dont have to agree but you dont have to hate either. There is such thing as constructive criticism or just being a retarded hater.
All I gotta say. Take it how you wanna.
 
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You dont have to agree but you dont have to hate either. There is such thing as constructive criticism or just being a retarded hater.
All I gotta say. Take it how you wanna.
tx for showing exactly what i was talking about when i said Itachi's fanbase are the ones who get emotional. You're the last person to talk about constructive criticism while having the nerve to get emotional to the point of call someone names. Typical response from an Itachi fan who has nothing better to reply with. If all i wanted to do was spew hate and get emotional, i would've been calling him an Uncle Tom, a bastard, or a phony. All of those terms would've applied as far as i'm concerned, but it would just be a rant. You should really take your own advice and not get so emotional over a comic character to the point of calling someone else a retarded hater. Take it however you want.
 

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tx for showing exactly what i was talking about when i said Itachi's fanbase are the ones who get emotional. You're the last person to talk about constructive criticism while having the nerve to get emotional to the point of call someone names. Typical response from an Itachi fan who has nothing better to reply with. If all i wanted to do was spew hate and get emotional, i would've been calling him an Uncle Tom, a bastard, or a phony. All of those terms would've applied as far as i'm concerned, but it would just be a rant. You should really take your own advice and not get so emotional over a comic character to the point of calling someone else a retarded hater. Take it however you want.

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Theres retarded haters everywhere brah, dont worry.
You dont need to call him a bastard or phony as long as you imply it through your ridiculously biased arguments against him.
Only bringing up one side of the story as an argument against him makes you a hater, simple as that.
 

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Theres retarded haters everywhere brah, dont worry.
You dont need to call him a bastard or phony as long as you imply it through your ridiculously biased arguments against him.
Only bringing up one side of the story as an argument against him makes you a hater, simple as that.
more displays of symptoms Itachi fans suffer from right here:

- Making Itachi sound incapable of ever doing wrong? Check.

- Accusing someone who disagrees of only bringing up one side of the story while doing the exact same thing? Check.

- Hiding behind a sorry attempt at humor/sarcasm to hide their own ignorance? Check.

You're sitting here bringing up only the side you want to in an attempt to validate it as being the only thing that can be true while trying your absolute best to ridicule an opposing opinion that is just as true, even if it is w/o bias or emotion. The fact of the matter is that there were other options, and he wasn't intelligent/wise enough to come to a different one. Ebizo is more suitable for being a Kage than him. At the very least, he's a wise enough person to know the value of thinking before hastily acting on anything that can cause future problems.
 
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more displays of symptoms Itachi fans suffer from right here:

- Making Itachi sound incapable of ever doing wrong? Check. Did I ever say what he did was not heartless? :eww:

- Accusing someone who disagrees of only bringing up one side of the story while doing the exact same thing? Check. Unlike you, I acknowledge the badside of his deeds, but you dont see the positive side either. Theres always 2 sides to the story, and you choose to only bring up the bad one and not even look at the other.

- Hiding behind a sorry attempt at humor to hide their own ignorance? Check.
Obviously.

Ok lets see who is the ignorant one. The one who aknowledge's that Itachi's actions were heartless but a necessary evil, justified for the love/safety of his village and brother or the one who seeks to downplay and only tell 1 side of the story.

Its hilarious how you think the massacre happened just to make Sasuke Konoha's shining armour.
I cant..even..omg
So Itachi didnt care about whom his decision affected, as long as he made Sasuke Konoha's shining armor?

So he didnt care about the civil war, he didnt care about maybe another great war will start and more than a few dozen people(a clan) will die, all he cared about was Sasuke, all along. He didnt care about the village, just sasuke.

Is that what you are implying? That sounds ignorant to me bruh ^^


You're sitting here bringing up only the side you want to in an attempt to validate it as being the only thing that can be true while trying your absolute best to ridicule an opposing opinion that is just as true. The fact of the matter is that there were other options, and he wasn't intelligent/wise enough to come to a different conclusion. Ebizo is more suitable for being a Kage than him; at the very least he's a wise enough person to know the value of thinking before hastily acting on anything that can cause future problems.

Saying all Itachi cared about is Sasuke and all he did was bad and helped destroy Konoha on the long run is not legit, at least to me.

Ebizo is more suitable to be a Kage than most kages. Ebizo lol. I dont see how thats a bad thing. I'd prefer Ebizo over Tobirama all day.
 

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Yeah! He'd do a great job. The length he went to protect the village and his brother kind of says it all.

and the lengths he went to to destroy the planet, destroy konoha, kill innocent people, tortue innocent people and torture his brother into insanity and madness says alot too
itachi would of done what was best for the leaf a
which he never did when he was alive and is actively trying to destroy konoha for most of his life.
why woild itachi do whats best for konoha when all he cares about is himself and how he thinks konoha should be?

Also, even in the moments before killed his parents, they were showering him with praise.
so if rebellious terrorists say theyre proud of you, its legitimate kind praise?

He was admired by everyone who ever learned the truth about him.
sasuke is insane, and naruto is just being a hypocrite. kakashi tobirama yamato and minato had no comment on it.
hiruzen didnt actually know everything itachi did,nor did naruto.
also this is just bad writing. narutos character was never set up as someone whod be happy with mass murder.

He killed his clan for the village, he joined the akatsuki for the village, he lived his life as a lie for the village, he died for the village, and even his last words he said he loved his village.
he killed his clan on orders. he joined akatsuki to kill everyone and declare war on humanity. the village isnt safe at all if akatsuki obtain nukes.
he died for himself and to trick konoha into liking sasuke. not for any "noble goal". it was just more manipulations.
and even most of his life was trying to torture sauske to madness and insanity.
which his last words tried to make up for and apologise for.
Ofc. He did more than some other Hokages for the village.
such as helping to destroy it and declare war on it.

He would've protected the village till his last breath. He loved the village more than his clan.
itachi hated the village. he did everything he could to destroy konha, destablise it and enable akatsuki to wipe out it.
his last breath was giving a complete madman psychopath that he expected to turn on konoha, even more power.
most of his life was spent helping a group of evil terrorists gain more power.
he blakcmailed and extorted his own people and offered up innocent konoha citizens to get killed by sasuke.

The purpose was to prevent a war that the uchiha was planning to do. So he took the burden into preventing that.
and then helped oorchimaur start another war by doing nothing to stop orochimru, even actively letting him go.
so itachis just a hypocrite. he took steps to make sure oorchimaru would be free to kill thousands of people

What did itachi get out of killing the uchiha and joining the akatsuki? My point EXACTLY.
itachis goal was always to control and manipilate others. his chosen enslaved manipulated targets were konoha and sasuke.

he did it for the love of the village, while I agree it was a heartless solution, just letting Konoha fight a civil war and risking the invasion of other villages would've been worse.
YOU KNOW WHATS FUKIN WORSE?
LETTING AKATSUKI OBTAIN 6 LIVING NUKES AND LETTING THEM GAIN SO MUCH POWER THAT THYE WERE ABLE TO DESTROY KONOHA BY THEMSELVES. whcih resulted in the worst world war in history and the resurrection of a god.
he let orochimaru go because he hated konoha and wanted it as unsafe as possible.
 
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Saying all Itachi cared about is Sasuke and all he did was bad and helped destroy Konoha on the long run is not legit, at least to me.
while i was pointing out the bad, i never said carried myself around here like it was the only acceptable truth.
Did I ever say what he did was not heartless?
you didn't have to. The sheer amount of displeasure you displayed at what was an accurate portrayal was a good enough implication as far as i'm concerned.
Unlike you, I acknowledge the badside of his deeds,
is that so? then what, pray tell, warranted calling someone a retarded hater? If you want to call someone something like that as a response to what was a valid portrayal, then chances are you are certainly not capable of acknowledging the bad side of anything. Because that's the response of an emotional person, and emotions are irrational.
and you choose to only bring up the bad one and not even look at the other.
it goes w/o saying that i would look at the bad side, because i wanted to elaborate on why i didn't believe Itachi was suited to be anybody's Kage. Did you honestly think i was supposed to put on a show and portray him to be one thing when i believe he is something else? If i wanted to argue as to why i don't think he was suitable, then of course i'm supposed to point out the bad. That's like saying i should point out the good things about capital punishment if i think it's bad.
Its hilarious how you think the massacre happened just to make Sasuke Konoha's shining armour.
I cant..even..omg
So Itachi didnt care about whom his decision affected, as long as he made Sasuke Konoha's shining armor?

So he didnt care about the civil war, he didnt care about maybe another great war will start and more than a few dozen people(a clan) will die, all he cared about was Sasuke, all along. He didnt care about the village, just sasuke.

Is that what you are implying? That sounds ignorant to me bruh ^^
if you could at least understand English sentences or peeped those scans i provided, the bases of my argument about that are in those. I didn't say it was just to make Sasuke the person he wanted him to be. That's your fail ability to read properly at work. The truth of the matter is, he didn't put a lot of thought into caring about what happened in the long term, whether you want to accept it or not. Because if he did, he would've foresaw the possibilities of others using what he did to use Sasuke for their purposes. And that's not mentioning the fact that he never foresaw Sasuke doing/saying the things he did after learning the truth, or even learning the truth. If you were truly able to acknowledge the bad part about that, you wouldn't be so quick to get emotional to the point of dismissing someone as being a hater and calling them retarded for it just because it goes against your own portrayal, not to mention acting as some sort of judge on what is ignorant while acting ignorant...bruh ^^
 
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So he didnt care about the civil war, he didnt care about maybe another great war will start and more than a few dozen people(a clan) will di
well no as he helped another war start by continually doing nothing about threats to konoha far greater than his clan was.
he can kill his clan so easily but an s-class mad scientist? NO. LET HIM GO
 

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Imagine Oro s reaction if itachi showed up at the exams when kakashi was sealing the curse Sao away
 

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accurate portrayal , was a valid portrayal, would look at the bad side,
^ this is exactly why it wasnt a valid portrayal *_* but rather a vague negative-only biased opinion

I didn't say it was just to make Sasuke the person he wanted him to be. That's your fail ability to read properly at work. The truth of the matter is, he didn't put a lot of thought into caring about what happened in the long term, whether you want to accept it or not. Because if he did, he would've foresaw the possibilities of others using what he did to use Sasuke for their purposes. And that's not mentioning the fact that he never foresaw Sasuke doing/saying the things he did after learning the truth, or even learning the truth.

Q: What did itachi get out of killing the uchiha and joining the akatsuki? My point EXACTLY. (XyInverse)

A: the purpose was in making Sasuke Konoha's knight in shining armor. Itachil took it upon himself to singlehandedly be the master of other ppl's destinies all while deciding his ideals were the only ones an Uchiha should have. That is selfish, because while he didn't directly benefit from it, murdering those ppl served his agenda and he didn't give the slightest thought to who it would end up effecting.

Yeah it looks like you said the purpose of killing the Uchiha and joining akatsuki was to make Sasuke Konoha's kinght in shining armor.

The purpose of Killing the Uchiha is to not let Konoha become in a state of civil war and become prone and vulnerable to attacks by other villages and start another great war, which had a great possibility of happening.
Reasons for joining Akatsuki was to spy on them, this mission was assigned by Hiruzen himself.

@2nd bold
Murdering those ppl effected the rest of Konoha's people by not let it become in a state of civil war and become prone and vulnerable to attacks by other villages and start another great war, which had a great possibility of happening, and would inevitably cause probably hundred times more casualties and destruction of the village.
When he decided to go down that path, he thought about Konoha and Sasuke. No, not only Sasuke ^^

Stop contradicting yourself, its foolish.
Maybe reread when Hiruzen explained the whole thing, together with Itachi's memories when he genjutsu'd Sasuke before his 2nd death.

Trying to twist manga facts is not a valid option.

Him not having the greatest foresawing abilities in Manga? Obviously true since Obito screwed them up.

However, not taking in consideration the other attempts to twist manga facts, this is not a good enough reason to say he was not a suitable Hokage.

And yes, its true, while he turned Sasuke into a criminal, it made him who he is today, well, without Hagoromo's buffs that is. Enabled him to become stronger and, ironically enough, if it wasnt for Itachi, Sasuke would not probably be fighting alongside Naruto now ^^

And now you are going to say I'm trying to make Itachi look like he hasnt done anything wrong. Thats not the case. He has done wrong, but there is always a truth in there. The truth is that overall he has much more feats capable to be a good Hokage(especially seeing what kind of a kage hiruzen/tobirama were) than bad hokage.
 
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well no as he helped another war start by continually doing nothing about threats to konoha far greater than his clan was.
he can kill his clan so easily but an s-class mad scientist? NO. LET HIM GO

This is the last reply to you, ever. You are the worst.
Since it is highly possible Itachi gave info to Jiraiya, Jiraiya knew that Orochimaru left akatsuki and hence then Jiraiya could start thinking about whats going to happen next. Itachi was not to blame for Jiraiya/Hiruzen to being strong enough/capable of defending the village. Itachi didnt even have contact with Orochimaru after he left Akatsuki.

He couldnt kill an akatsuki partner because he would be deemed a traitor, probably killed or if he could escape back to Konoha, his mission as a spy would be a failure.

And thats the end of that.
Good bye to you.
 
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^ this is exactly why it wasnt a valid portrayal but rather a vague negative-only biased opinion
this is exactly what i was talking about. You don't want to accept the bad of anything and only want to cling to the notion of your opinion being the only acceptable truth. During the 2 conversations Itachi had with Sasuke during the war, he openly pointed out the mistakes he made in his choice and the beliefs he had in making that choice. But here you are, same as ever, wanting to cling to your side of the debate as being the only version of the story, all while accusing me of looking at just 1 side saying there's 2 sides to a story. This is what is called trying to throw stones from inside a glass house, and you're getting showered with plenty here.
Q: What did itachi get out of killing the uchiha and joining the akatsuki? My point EXACTLY. (XyInverse)

A: the purpose was in making Sasuke Konoha's knight in shining armor. Itachil took it upon himself to singlehandedly be the master of other ppl's destinies all while deciding his ideals were the only ones an Uchiha should have. That is selfish, because while he didn't directly benefit from it, murdering those ppl served his agenda and he didn't give the slightest thought to who it would end up effecting.

Yeah it looks like you said the purpose of killing the Uchiha and joining akatsuki was to make Sasuke Konoha's kinght in shining armor.
you conveniently chose the one you wanted to pick and dissect, because the post i was actually referring to was this one:-

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Come at me with some facts, and not a faptard's emotions.
if you weren't too lazy, you could've took the time to look up above the earlier posts and seen the post of mine that had numerous references. It takes no more than mere seconds to do that.
SO WHAT THE **** ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT. what do you mean he did it for what he wanted? What good did he get out of it but hurt and pain? Huh? Exactly stop hating.
i explained it already in the aforementioned post. And again, you were apparently too lazy, too emotional, too full of fail, or any combination of the 3 to have sought out the scans which basically provided the foundation of my basis. If you're reading comprehension is too high at a fail lvl to have looked at my earlier posts which has the answers to your broken records of a question, then why do you think i should answer that knowing you still won't get it?

The purpose of Killing the Uchiha is to not let Konoha become in a state of civil war and become prone and vulnerable to attacks by other villages and start another great war, which had a great possibility of happening.
the fail part of this is that it still ended up happening, and he was the basic cause. No Uchiha were around to make anyone think twice about invading Konoha in P1, and Sasuke helped start the current war out of a need to avenge Itachi and the clan. And in both instances, numerous Konoha-nin still ended up dead. By doing what he did to avoid those situations, he basically made it inevitable.
Reasons for joining Akatsuki was to spy on them, this mission was assigned by Hiruzen himself.
and he learned absolutely nothing about their goal in the end.

@2nd bold
Murdering those ppl effected the rest of Konoha by not let it become in a state of civil war and become prone and vulnerable to attacks by other villages and start another great war, which had a great possibility of happening.
When he decided to go down that path, he thought about Konoha and Sasuke. No, not only Sasuke ^^
an invasion still happened, and here where are seeing a 4th Great Shinobi War. Are you going to get to a point that disproves mine anytime soon?

Stop contradicting yourself, its foolish.
Maybe reread when Hiruzen explained the whole thing, together with Itachi's memories when he genjutsu'd Sasuke before his 2nd death.
you should take your own advice because there are things in that flashback you have apparently chose to cherry pick to use as a case while not wanting to look at the whole thing.

Trying to twist manga facts is not a valid option.
says the dude who wants to pretend what i'm arguing can't be found anywhere in it lol
Him not having the greatest foresawing abilities in Manga? Obviously true since Obito screwed them up.
Obito don't need to be used to prove the weakness in his foresight, because his reaction to hearing Sasuke joined Orochimaru is the only case i need to mention.

However, not taking in consideration the other attempts to twist manga facts, this is not a good enough reason to say he was not a suitable Hokage.
there's no need to call someone a retarded hater just because they made a valid point that disagrees with your own, but it hasn't stopped you at all now has it? You accuse me of twisting manga facts and go on about how you supposedly can accept the bad side of something, but you don't want to acknowledge the fact that Itachi can clearly be seen pointing out mistakes he made in his reasoning when he made the choice. I am not twisting manga facts, i'm slamming facts in your face that you deem unacceptable because it doesn't fit your narrative.


And now you are going to say I'm trying to make Itachi look like he hasnt done anything wrong. Thats not the case. He has done wrong, but there is always a truth in there. The truth is that overall he has much more feats capable to be a good Hokage(especially seeing what kind of a kage hiruzen/tobirama were) than bad hokage.
these are all of your responses saying so...bruh ^^
^ this is exactly why it wasnt a valid portrayal but rather a vague negative-only biased opinion
Ok lets see who is the ignorant one. The one who aknowledge's that Itachi's actions were heartless but a necessary evil, justified for the love/safety of his village and brother or the one who seeks to downplay and only tell 1 side of the story.
Theres retarded haters everywhere brah, dont worry.
You dont need to call him a bastard or phony as long as you imply it through your ridiculously biased arguments against him.
Only bringing up one side of the story as an argument against him makes you a hater, simple as that.
Dont even bother, its useless.

If they dont like a character, why join a thread about him, spend time to post replies and talk shit and get mad over a comic character.

I dont get it. Its beyond me.
 
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this is exactly what i was talking about. You don't want to accept the bad of anything and only want to cling to the notion of your opinion being the only acceptable truth.

Mine is not possibly the only acceptable truth, but yours is definitely not ^^

During the 2 conversations Itachi had with Sasuke during the war, he openly pointed out the mistakes he made in his choice and the beliefs he had in making that choice. But here you are, same as ever, wanting to cling to your side of the debate as being the only version of the story, all while accusing me of looking at just 1 side saying there's 2 sides to a story. This is what is called trying to throw stones from inside a glass house, and you're getting showered with plenty here.you conveniently chose the one you wanted to pick and dissect, because the post i was actually referring to was this one:- if you weren't too lazy, you could've took the time to look up above the earlier posts and seen the post of mine that had numerous references. It takes no more than mere seconds to do that.

He pointed out the mistakes he made in his choice and beliefs regarding Sasuke, not the village.
And you still cling to the wrong fact that when Itachi chose to walk down that path, he did it only for Sasuke, and not the whole village.


i explained it already in the aforementioned post. And again, you were apparently too lazy, too emotional, too full of fail, or any combination of the 3 to have sought out the scans which basically provided the foundation of my basis. If you're reading comprehension is too high at a fail lvl to have looked at my earlier posts which has the answers to your broken records of a question, then why do you think i should answer that knowing you still won't get it?

Yeah I read the scans, tells that he pretty much did wrong in making Sasuke suffer and didnt foresaw Sasuke turning to the badside, which I acknowledged.
Bring something new to the table.


the fail part of this is that it still ended up happening, and he was the basic cause. No Uchiha were around to make anyone think twice about invading Konoha in P1, and Sasuke helped start the current war out of a need to avenge Itachi and the clan. And in both instances, numerous Konoha-nin still ended up dead. By doing what he did to avoid those situations, he basically made it inevitable.
and he learned absolutely nothing about their goal in the end.

Obito kept secrets from Itachi, and he was probably the only one to know about 10 tails resurrection. Yeah. **** Itachi. He is such a noob.

This is amazing. So you blame Itachi because Obito started the war? I think Sasuke's feelings towards Danzo are normal and fair, killing Danzo hasnt changed the world much as Obito was there to take Shisui's eye anyway, Danzo would've died at that bridge.
however blaming Itachi because Obito started 4th great shinobi war and shoving his name there as somewhat part of the reason the war started is the lowest argument one can come up with ^^


an invasion still happened, and here where are seeing a 4th Great Shinobi War. Are you going to get to a point that disproves mine anytime soon?

And invasion still happened. Oh my gawd. Yeah, thats how the world was since before Kaguya took the fruit. Are you trolling right now?

The fact of the matter is, Itachi prevented a 4th shinobi war at that point in time, he is not responsible for Obito starting one. There is a flaw in your logic m8 :eww:
We are currently discussing Itachi's actions, not Obito's.
Itachi chose to prevent a 4th great shinobi war from happening at the cost of a clan's life. Very ****ing heartless, cold, sadistic, but if he would choose a dozen's people life over tens of dozen's and destruction of the village, it would be even more heartless.
inb4 you spit that jibberish about 4th war happened anyway, Itachi had nothing to do with it. If he had a choice to avoid it, he did. If he didnt, he couldnt fight it while 6 feet under. But yeah lets subtly blame him for it ^^


you should take your own advice because there are things in that flashback you have apparently chose to cherry pick to use as a case while not wanting to look at the whole thing.

says the dude who wants to pretend what i'm arguing can't be found anywhere in it lol
Obito don't need to be used to prove the weakness in his foresight, because his reaction to hearing Sasuke joined Orochimaru is the only case i need to mention.

there's no need to call someone a retarded hater just because they made a valid point that disagrees with your own, but it hasn't stopped you at all now has it? You accuse me of twisting manga facts and go on about how you supposedly can accept the bad side of something, but you don't want to acknowledge the fact that Itachi can clearly be seen pointing out mistakes he made in his reasoning when he made the choice. I am not twisting manga facts, i'm slamming facts in your face that you deem unacceptable because it doesn't fit your narrative.


these are all of your responses saying so...bruh ^^

My point is, you choose to look at only 1 reason, 1 side of the story and accuse Itachi for something he wasn't part of like starting the 4th Great Shinobi War.
Its outstanding how far a hater can go. Its like Saying its Tobirama's fault for this because he didnt check if Madara used Izanagi, just incase Madara came back to life.
You get it? yeah, its that stupid.

4th Great Shinobi War was probably inevitable, as history repeats itself, but Itachi had no part in it and chose to avoid it the first time it could be sparked, keeping his village safe for the time being instead of helping others do it.

Look.
When Itachi had a choice, to take part of the death of tens of dozens of people and destruction of the village, he chose not to.
If Itachi was alive, he wouldn't help Obito but rather his own village. You cannot shove Itachi's name in there just because you like to. He is not to blame for Obito's declaration of war, nor for Sasuke's desire to kill Danzo, thats his own personal ambition and desire. What do you not understand.

inb4 you say he was part of akatsuki and helped them capture tailed beasts, akatsuki didnt need his help, as they capture most other beasts, he wasnt especially needed. You think Akatsuki didnt have firepower to capture other bijuus?

inb4 other jibberish, if Itachi really wanted to help akatsuki, he would solo Jiraiya(if you dont like it, he had Kisame as backup. If you believe Kisame/Itachi couldnt beat Jiraiya, thats another story.) and capture Naruto at that very moment, or at the very least try, and if Jiraiya was too strong, they would retreat. But he didnt.

And btw, before you blame Itachi for Sasuke killing Danzo, think about the fact that Sasuke heard the truth and it was his own choice to do it, again, Itachi didnt tell him to kill Danzo just like Itachi had no part in the start of the 4th Shinobi War, which is incredible since you try to blame and shove Itachi's name there, downright oustanding.

Imma be back in some hours, I have things to do. Bye.
 
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Since it is highly possible Itachi gave info to Jiraiya, Jiraiya knew that Orochimaru left akatsuki and hence then Jiraiya could start thinking about whats going to happen next. Itachi was not to blame for Jiraiya/Hiruzen to being strong enough/capable of defending the village.
itachi is responsible directly for thousands of peple being killed given he blatantly let oro go when he had a golden opportunity to end him with no reason at all for doing so. hiruzen had an excuse.


He couldnt kill an akatsuki partner because he would be deemed a traitor,
doesnt have to kill him. just capture him and drag his ass back to pain, informing him that oro struck first.

The purpose of Killing the Uchiha is to not let Konoha become in a state of civil war and become prone and vulnerable to attacks by other villages and start another great war, which had a great possibility of happening.
and konoha being in a state of war IS A GODDAMN CERTAINTY if itachi lets oro go or if itachi does nothing ot slow down akatsuki. moreover killing off the whole clan will make konoha just as vulnerable. thyey lost a huge amount of manpower by doign that.

would inevitably cause probably hundred times more casualties and destruction of the village.
what do you mean inevitably? everyrhing you just said is wild speculation. we dont know what would happen. but i daresay killing off a whole clan is damaging to konohas military power and will encourage others to invade

When he decided to go down that path, he thought about Konoha and Sasuke. No, not only Sasuke ^^
he couldnt have as he was prepared to have innocents killed just to make sasuke stronger, and robbed konoha of a powerful ally when he tortured sasuke to insanity

Reasons for joining Akatsuki was to spy on them, this mission was assigned by Hiruzen himself.
and he didnt do that, so it was a waste of time and a failed mission


And yes, its true, while he turned Sasuke into a criminal, it made him who he is today, well, without Hagoromo's buffs that is. Enabled him to become stronger and, ironically enough, if it wasnt for Itachi, Sasuke would not probably be fighting alongside Naruto now ^^
without itachi doing what he did, he would have gotten exactly the kind of sasuke he originally wanted, which was a hero loyal to konoha.
so all itachi did was make sasuke waste 3 years being an evil selfish vengeful douchebag. and what hashirama did was bring back the sauske he was originally. fixing your own stupid fukups doesnt mean your a hero.


And yes, its true, while he turned Sasuke into a criminal, it made him who he is today,
so your justifying horrific mental torture because it eventually turned out that sasuke helped the alliance?
he could have done the same thing but without any torturing sasuke and convincing him to devote so many years to revenge.

4th Great Shinobi War was probably inevitable, as history repeats itself, but Itachi had no part in it and chose to avoid it the first time it could be sparked, keeping his village safe for the time being instead of helping others do it.
itachi helped start the fourth war by choosing to help akatsuki hunt down the bijuus which was the objective of the whole organisation and of the war arc.
he chose to start a world war and helped annhialte konoha the first time it was in danger, when he murdered a whole clan which destablised and weakened konoha enough that orochimaru could capitalise on it and invade a few years later.
and then again when he could have beaten oro and chose not to.
and then agian hwne he could have killed sauske and didnt.
itachis life is nothing but making things ten times fukin harder for konohas army.


When Itachi had a choice, to take part of the death of tens of dozens of people and destruction of the village, he chose not to.
lol what?
he murdered an entire clan which could easily have led to village destruction as eaisly as a coup would.
either way konoha is losing much manpower and much military strength.
and yes he chose to take part in akatsuki murdering gaara and the other jins.

inb4 you say he was part of akatsuki and helped them capture tailed beasts, akatsuki didnt need his help, as they capture most other beasts, he wasnt especially needed. You think Akatsuki didnt have firepower to capture other bijuus?
so your saying that because he wasnt needed for them to achieve their goals, him helping them achieve their goals doesnt matter and hes totally innnocent of the deed?
just because a random runt wolf eats the leg of a deer doesnt mean hes not just as responsible for the kill as the lead wolf that ripped out the deer's throat. the wolf wasnt needed to make the kill but is nevertheless helping to eat it.
get it?
its the same as aizens espada. aizens way stronger than they are and they arent really needed for his plan but they helped nonetheless. tousen betrayed everyone for aizen to help him in his goal. he wasnt NEEDED as aizen was so damn strong on his own, but tousen neverthless is evil for helping him. and the discission isnt how strong itachi is but how evil he is.
they didnt need him to help start the war,but he did so nonetheless.

If Itachi was alive, he wouldn't help Obito but rather his own village.
where was this help when he was alive then?
oh right he was a "spy". even though konoha didnt get a single drop of useful intel and went into every akatsuki fight totally blind intel wise.
itachi helps whoeever he feels he has to for his own agenda.
after dying he realised he fuked up and tried to help the alliance instead. like he should have been doing from the start.

, if Itachi really wanted to help akatsuki, he would solo Jiraiya(if you dont like it, he had Kisame as backup. If you believe Kisame/Itachi couldnt beat Jiraiya, thats another story.)
i hate logic like this.
we dont know what itachi would reason as beneficial to akatsuki. but i reason that helping them seal the bijuus up is useful. helping them find and hunt jins is useful. never betraying anything hes learnt to konoha is useful.
i can turn your own logic on you and say
"if itachi really wants to help konoha, he would have picked off a few akatsukis with poison, given them more intel to work with, and sabotage/assassinate danzo."
konoha thought that capturing akatsuki for intel was a goal worth an entire arc trying to accomplish. if itahcis so smart why didnt he know this, turn himself in, let himself be tortured a bit to make it real and then give up everything he knows? that would help konoha immensely. especially since they initially thought akatsukis to all be fanatical psychos who wouldnt betray each other.

f you dont like it, he had Kisame as backup. If you believe Kisame/Itachi couldnt beat Jiraiya, thats another story.) and capture Naruto at that very moment, or at the very least try, and if Jiraiya was too strong, they would retreat. But he didnt.
so what about all the other jins? did itachi make up an excuse to spare roshis life and leave the area?
no. he let kisame butcher him and helped kisame drag roshi back to akatsuki base where he got murdered and his bijuu ripped out.
so whats itachis logic here, no jin is important UNLESS ITS FROM MY VILLAGE? thats selfish.

Itachi didnt tell him to kill Danzo
no but he did tell him to kill naruto indirectly
 
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