Would hirudora break Doton Domu?

[elsepa]

Domu is just hype , not feats . I think it can destroy Domu..

 

[genii96]

Hirodura smashes domu.

 

[fourth kazekage]

I have replied to the same thing over and over again. Go read above. LOL? Guy didn't get a powerup from Naruto to fight Hirudora, don't know what manga you are reading. Killer B praising him doesn't mean that Susanoo was broken, he managed to save himself by pushing Madara away from them via Hirudora.

Are yous serious right now? Madara wasn't on the ground. He was sitting on a small cliff. Are we reading the same manga.

who the hell is talking about naruto's chakra shroud?,nearly every konoha nonja got a powerup before he started sharing his chakra.

You keep talking about the explosions,yet you keep ignoring the circumstances, GAI DIDNT WANT TO KILL KISAME;what part of that dont you get.

So you are telling me that he just pushed back madara's susanoo only?,then madara instead of attacking the now weakened guy, decides to deactivate his susanoo,then go to a cliff and sit?,dont be absurd.

Guy's attack knock back and destroyed the susanoo,madara on that little cliff simply shows where he landed,he was on that cliff one page after hirudora landed,how much do you think could happen in a page?.
Stop deceiving urself,u are the only one who thinks it didnt destroy the susanoo.

 

[TheEvilOne]

who the hell is talking about naruto's chakra shroud?,nearly every konoha nonja got a powerup before he started sharing his chakra.

You keep talking about the explosions,yet you keep ignoring the circumstances, GAI DIDNT WANT TO KILL KISAME;what part of that dont you get.

So you are telling me that he just pushed back madara's susanoo only?,then madara instead of attacking the now weakened guy, decides to deactivate his susanoo,then go to a cliff and sit?,dont be absurd.

Guy's attack knock back and destroyed the susanoo,madara on that little cliff simply shows where he landed,he was on that cliff one page after hirudora landed,how much do you think could happen in a page?.
Stop deceiving urself,u are the only one who thinks it didnt destroy the susanoo.

This is bullshit. Guy didn't even knew who is he fighting.
Besides, he aimed the Hirudora at Kisame's HEAD.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

The fact that Obito was needed -AND RIGGED- for Madara's revival and that -KILLING- him would have ruined said revival means Madara had no reason to let himself be smacked by Hirudora and be absent for a whole ( or two? ) chapters.

The Kisame > Susanoo argument does not work because Hirudora already tore through GSB, sharks and was used underwater.

In case you did not attend physics class, water makes impacts way less strong.

Furthermore, Gai had just used the Sixth Gate's Morning Peacock which probably makes using another Gate ability weaker.

There are a shit ton of factors that make the first Hirudora weaker than the second.

 

[TheEvilOne]

The fact that Obito was needed -AND RIGGED- for Madara's revival and that -KILLING- him would have ruined said revival means Madara had no reason to let himself be smacked by Hirudora and be absent for a whole ( or two? ) chapters.

The Kisame > Susanoo argument does not work because Hirudora already tore through GSB, sharks and was used underwater.

In case you did not attend physics class, water makes impacts way less strong.

It was already proved the GSB didn't weakened the impact of the Hirudora.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

It was already proved the GSB didn't weakened the impact of the Hirudora.

I seem to have missed such proof.

Quote?

 

[TheEvilOne]

I'm too lazy to search it, it was in an another thread.v But here it is:

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Kisame's attack didn't do anything to Hirudora.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

I never implied GSB weakened it by eating it.

I said it weakened it because when 2 objects clash and one of them passes through while the other shatters, the stronger object will still lose its power.

If a car hits a man and then hits another five meters after, it will have lost speed and strength.

That's basic physics.

Furthermore, Hirudora is air pressure and GSB is water.

 

[KidGamer65]

who the hell is talking about naruto's chakra shroud?,nearly every konoha nonja got a powerup before he started sharing his chakra.

This powerup for Guy you speak of is nonexistent.

You keep talking about the explosions,yet you keep ignoring the circumstances, GAI DIDNT WANT TO KILL KISAME;what part of that dont you get

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Does that make the first explosion bigger than the second one? NO, what part of that don't you get? The explosion being bigger shits all over any speculation you have, and Guy not wanting to kill Kisame doesn't mean the explosion had to be smaller than the second one. Read the damn manga.

So you are telling me that he just pushed back madara's susanoo only?,then madara instead of attacking the now weakened guy, decides to deactivate his susanoo,then go to a cliff and sit?,dont be absurd.

Guy's attack knock back and destroyed the susanoo,madara on that little cliff simply shows where he landed,he was on that cliff one page after hirudora landed,how much do you think could happen in a page?.
Stop deceiving urself,u are the only one who thinks it didnt destroy the susanoo.

If you really think that he landed on a cliff, in a sitting position then you are a fool.

Thinking Hirudora destroyed Susanoo equates to Madara's Susanoo being able to block a weaker version of an attack Kisame survived, which is a load of shit.. You can cry about how he didn't want to kill him all you want but it doesn't change the fact that the explosions were not the same size.

Funny, I have facts on my side while you have the assumption that Hirudora destroyed Susanoo. Despite it going against many things shown in the manga.

 

[blazekev90]

Well, this does make sense. Except for when you said it broke Susanoo.

The one he used against Guy was larger than the one he used against Madara.

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If the larger one didn't kill Kisame, there is no way the smaller one broke Susanoo.

You understand this but not the variations of Nagato's ST?!?! Ridiculous lol

 

[KidGamer65]

You understand this but not the variations of Nagato's ST?!?! Ridiculous lol

Its you who doesn't understand something as simple as how Shinra Tensei, and repulsive force in general, works.

 

[fastrthnwind]

oh, btw Kidgamer, you still haven't responded to my post.

Ill post it right here for you so its easier to find:

Spoiler

It probably wont break the technique, but it will hurt him nonetheless instead of being one-shotted. People heavily underrate the power of Hirudora because they did not see it "kill" Kisame.

Only a few people realize that Hirudora had to go through water and Kisame's jutsu in order to hit him and water can GREATLY cushion shock. Consider this, in real life no bullet is capable of penetrating deeper that 8ft of water, what makes you think that Hirudora, a pressure based missile is going to produce that much energy in one small point like a bullet can? Especially since its not even a piercing technique, but a massive concussive technique.

So of course Kisame was definitely cushioned a lot from the explosion. Enough to barely move a finger.

Now going againt feats with Domu. Domu is an earth jutsu, meaning that it has great defensive and offensive capabilities as seen when he was able to tank quite a bit of damage with that technique as well as knock down a door several times his size with no damage to himself. Now in the description of its abilities, its said that it only hardens the users skin. well that means that if he gets hit hard enough, the energy can be transferred to other parts of his body and can still injure any organs beneath or cause a concussion.

In conclusion, if Guy can ever get a good solid his against his head or abdominals when using the jutsu, Kakuzu will not be killed instantly, but he will be be incapacitated to the same extent as Kisame was with no serious external damage, but some pretty decent internal damage.

I would like to see your response to that please.

 

[blazekev90]

Its you who doesn't understand something as simple as how Shinra Tensei, and repulsive force in general, works.

No no no! You simple tried to ignore the FACT that ST has vvariations, yet constantly brought up different occasions when Nagato used ST to compare iit's power.

I specifically expressed to you that ST against the village was on another scale, yet you brought up Bee and Hinata,who obobviously didn't get hit with the same ST.

Nagato never had the intent to kill, but either capture or get intel. Despite this you tried to downplay ST everytime.

You sit here and accept the ASSUMPTION that hir. has power variations yet it's a given fact ST does. Clearly you debate off favoritism

 

[BlackFlame44]

No no no! You simple tried to ignore the FACT that ST has vvariations, yet constantly brought up different occasions when Nagato used ST to compare iit's power.

I specifically expressed to you that ST against the village was on another scale, yet you brought up Bee and Hinata,who obobviously didn't get hit with the same ST.

Nagato never had the intent to kill, but either capture or get intel. Despite this you tried to downplay ST everytime.

You sit here and accept the ASSUMPTION that hir. has power variations yet it's a given fact ST does. Clearly you debate off favoritism

Is that why the push that destroyed the forest did nothing to bee? K gotcha

 

[pateuvasiliu]

The Kisame comparison holds no worth because Hirudora went through GSB, sharks and was used underwater.

Next argument please.

:O

 

[KidGamer65]

No no no! You simple tried to ignore the FACT that ST has vvariations, yet constantly brought up different occasions when Nagato used ST to compare iit's power.

I specifically expressed to you that ST against the village was on another scale, yet you brought up Bee and Hinata,who obobviously didn't get hit with the same ST.

Nagato never had the intent to kill, but either capture or get intel. Despite this you tried to downplay ST everytime.

You sit here and accept the ASSUMPTION that hir. has power variations yet it's a given fact ST does. Clearly you debate off favoritism

Since you still don't get it I'll explain it again. BTW, you believing Nagato didn't try to kill B when he was about to blow his head off, is the kind of thing an idiot would believe.

Shinra Tensei is a repulsive force. Repulsive forces don't do damage by themselves. As seen with Killer B. The only times they do damage is when the person gets slammed against something else. Like Hinata did, she got slammed against the ground, that's why she took damage. The village was destroyed because he pushed the repulsive force down on the ground of the village.

The strength of the technique does not change how it works. Get this simple fact through your head or don't waste my time with this nonsense you spew.

 

[KidGamer65]

The Kisame comparison holds no worth because Hirudora went through GSB, sharks and was used underwater.

Next argument please.

:O

Doesn't change the simple fact that the explosion of the one used on Kisame had a bigger explosion than the one used on Madara.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Doesn't change the simple fact that the explosion of the one used on Kisame had a bigger explosion than the one used on Madara.

Explosions don't mean much.

It's not even a fire technique. It's air pressure. Actually, if you think about it, the smaller the explosion the stronger the technique, since Hirudora is air pressure centralized on a core ( the target ).

 

[KidGamer65]

Explosions don't mean much.

It's not even a fire technique. It's air pressure. Actually, if you think about it, the smaller the explosion the stronger the technique, since Hirudora is air pressure centralized on a core ( the target ).

The smaller the explosion is, that would mean less air pressure was fired at the target, that doesn't make it stronger. Hirudora is fired at the opponent, then it goes from its large tiger form and compresses itself (That's why Kisame thought it got weaker but it didn't) and then it explodes to release a massive concussive force.

You would be right if it were the same amount fired at the target but just compressed in a smaller form.