Would God be able to dis/prove a Paradox

[Punk Hazard]

So much ignorance in a post I can't even. Lemme just sit here with my popcorn

Good, you wouldn't have anything productive to say anyways.

 

[ComplexCity]

Good, you wouldn't have anything productive to say anyways.

Still think Amaterastu isn't extinguishable?

Still waiting for you to show me in the bible where God allows homosexual marriages. Never mind that was 4 months to old and you still haven't so you arent gonna

 

[Punk Hazard]

Still think Amaterastu isn't extinguishable?

Still waiting for you to show me in the bible where God allows homosexual marriages. Never mind that was 4 months to old and you still haven't so you arent gonna

What does that have to do with God?

The Bible never said allow homosexual marriages outright. It did, however, say obey the laws of government leaders, treat others as you want to be treated, and that only God has the right to judge others. It's just one of the many contradictions the Bible presents. Then again, as you pointed out, that was Old Testament that isn't followed anymore. Oh well, I guess the Word of God was flawed.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

You can't prove God exists because you don't belief, and because your mind is finite.

Funnily enough though, nowhere else is presupposed belief that a thing exists a prerequisite for finding evidence. Could it possibly be because faith is bullsh*t?

 

[ComplexCity]

What does that have to do with God?

The Bible never said allow homosexual marriages outright. It did, however, say obey the laws of government leaders, treat others as you want to be treated, and that only God has the right to judge others. It's just one of the many contradictions the Bible presents.

Because you're always trying to insult me, all you did in that thread was waste my time. You think you added anything productive?

I've already disproven that to the point where nothing you would have said would make any sense, but your excuse was that you lost "interest". I find it funny how you will go toe to toe with me in debates dragging on for 10+ pages but as soon as you are hit with facts and proven wrong, you just abscond away from a debate and claim some bs excuse instead admitting to being wrong (I.E admitting Madara absorbed Ama. But still arguing with the definition of extinguish then going on not even bothering to respond but posting in the thread). But that's one of the deadly sins for ya, pride.

Again, I'm not the spotlight for this debate, would rather enjoy my popcorn. Not debating religion on this site, made that clear a while ago

Edit: In response to your edit. That was not the reason I gave, cleared it up for you. You're welcome to go back and read it though. I will only debate about that since you've failed to respond and still ducking

Funnily enough though, nowhere else is presupposed belief that a thing exists a prerequisite for finding evidence. Could it possibly be because faith is bullsh*t?

If faith was bs then I would not have hoped to have gotten a job one day.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Because you're always trying to insult me, all you did in that thread was waste my time. You think you added anything productive?

Yes.

I've already disproven that to the point where you didn't respond because you lost "interest". I find it funny how you will go toe to toe with me in debates dragging on for 10+ pages but as soon as you are hit with facts and proven wrong, you just abscond away from a debate and claim some bs excuse instead admitting to being wrong. But that's one of the deadly sins for ya, pride.

Not really. The Bible says explicitly "Obey the laws of head of government because God gave them this authority." If this doesn't apply for modern times, then that simply means the Bible is capable of being outdated and ignored. Which begs the question of what else in the Bible is outdated and can be ignored?

If it doesn't mean that things can be outdated, then that means other scriptures dismissing following the authority of government heads creates a contradiction in the Bible.

I'll be glad to see you explain how it isn't a contradiction. You can even link the last wallie post that you explained this in.

Oh btw, before you try to say I'm running from facts, it's a fact that God said obey the authority of man.

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Again, I'm not the spotlight for this debate, would rather enjoy my popcorn. Don't debating religion on this site, made that clear a while ago

Don't reply then.

 

[ComplexCity]

Yes.

Might want to re-check what you consider productive, your posts said otherwise

Not really. The Bible says explicitly "Obey the laws of head of government because God gave them this authority." If this doesn't apply for modern times, then that simply means the Bible is capable of being outdated and ignored. Which begs the question of what else in the Bible is outdated and can be ignored?

If it doesn't mean that things can be outdated, then that means other scriptures dismissing following the authority of government heads creates a contradiction in the Bible.

I'll be glad to see you explain how it isn't a contradiction. You can even link the last wallie post that you explained this in.

Oh btw, before you try to say I'm running from facts, it's a fact that God said obey the authority of man.

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Already explained why you're wrong

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I love how you're trying to use something you don't believe in to prove your point when you don't even understand what you're reading

Don't reply then.

I live in America and have access to internet that I pay for in a forum where we our free to our amendment right. I'll say what I wanna say

 

[Punk Hazard]

Might want to re-check what you consider productive, your posts said otherwise

No, they were.

Already explained why you're wrong

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I love how you're trying to use something you don't believe in to prove your point when you don't even understand what you're reading

There's also a law against trespassing and isn't there? So why was a Kentucky man fined and cuffed for something he was totally right for doing?

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Also, like I mentioned prior, thieves who typically steal are not accordingly punished. This woman got jailed for not doing her job. Read up on Eric Snowden and you'll see why this makes zero sense

I forget why you even brought this up.

If you get the liberal out your eyes and look back when I responded to BlazeRelease, I withdrew one of my arguments, simply because, yes anywhere you can get into trouble for not doing your job (jail time, noo.....). Thieves, people who harass and commit violent acts, etc. commit crimes as well. Are you stating that anyone who breaks the law or commits a crime deserves to be jailed? This where your logic fails because if a women getting jailed because she didn't do her job then every other persons who commit crimes that cause distress should be jailed as well. I merely pointed out the cops to show how retarded and unfair America's justice system is. This country as a whole worries about the lesser importance of things instead of the real major problems

Don't know why you're saying this either. Of course people who break the law should receive jail time if that's the appropriate punishment.

I will be using the KJV, that's the most accurate to the original: ("Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.")
"For there is no power but of God, powers to be ordained but of God." Key phrases in that verse. Power in the Hebrew is synonymous to authority. So you mean to tell me that this verse, that clearly states that "there is no authority but of God" then God would ordain people of land to follow that which he is against? So you really feel like God is telling people to accept and be ok with the sin of homosexuality when he destroyed Sodom and Gomorah for that very reason? Seems like common sense goes down the drain, but ok, let's move on



("Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation")
So if you knew anything about the bible you would know that man made laws that existed in Moses time were done away with



The reason for this? The Israelites that were held in captivity were used to the Egyptian laws of the land and became accustomed to them. They lost they way from the Lord (whose laws existed before any of this happened) so the old written laws were written to help guide them back to the Lord's laws

Ordinances from the Hebrew translates to "law" The old laws written that were handwritten were done away with a new laws were instilled for the Jews/Christians to follow. So where am I going with this? Separation of church and state, are you familiar with that? Some of the laws that exist in our world now (such as the passing law of homosexual marriage) are not of the power/authority of God. Some of the typical laws (such as being punished for stealing, killing, etc.) are of him but others aren't.





("For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same") This should be pretty self explanatory. Do you know which works of God are good? Because none are evil. Another thing you should looking at is "do that which is good" but in order to understand that, you must know what is good in God's eyes. So I don't really see why you're quoting stuff you don't know




(For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.)

Seems to be a paradox in the translation. Like I stated, the King James Version is the closest to the original Hebrew, let's substitute they for he. Who was the one who died for our sins? Jesus. Who has the power to wipe away our sins? Jesus. So "Jesus" is the he that they are referring to here because Jesus represents everything that is good. There is a a they though actually found in verse 6



In order to be one of (God's) Ministers, you be baptized and ordained, pretty sure they people that pass laws for homosexuality fit neither one of this criteria



(Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.) You might not understand this, so let me translate so you can; Therefore, you must obey just not to face the anger (of God) but also for your soul's sake. (You can look up the Hebrew words for wherefore, subject, wrath and conscience). This means that you should not just obey God's laws so you don't face his wrath but to follow them to keep your spirit pure and free of corruption




No, the scripture is telling you that God instated the governing authorities to follow his word. There is a difference between the government of the land and government of Christians



Meaning that follow the laws of the land but keep his word as well. If you cannot do the former, then you must do the latter as in the beginning, the word was of God.



In order for you to understand that which you've quoted, you must understand what is wrong in God's eyes which is something you don't seem to understand



Ok, since you like to misinterpret the bible so much, quote in the bible tell me what the new laws are that we are supposed to follow according to God. Not only did you misinterpret Romans 13:1, you're saying that God said we were suppose to follow ALL the laws of the land (which I already debunked)





Assuming that you know the laws, because you seem like you don't know what they are. God laws don't contradict seeing as how God's laws existed way before these times from the jump



"Word" in the Hebrew in this sentence translates to doctrine which is synonymous to laws or ordinances




I agree




Lemme post it again




God's law always existed. The hand written ordinances were made for the Israelites who were held in captivity and became accustom to the Egyptian laws. The hand written ordinances were only made to prevent the Israelites from sinning because they knew not of the laws of God. After they gained more understanding of following they ways of the lord, the hand written ordinances were done away with and God's original doctrine (the new laws) came to light. It's just like in math. Most of what you learn in Calculus will not use the basic laws of addition. However, there may be problems where addition is needed. Even though Calculus has done away with using basic addition to solve more advance problems, it doesn't mean that some problems will not need it



Answered all of this above


Don't know why an atheist is trying to use the bible to prove a point against a Christian when he doesn't even understand the context, let alone believe that there is a God anyway :|

Reading through this, a lot of it is explained through one thing: Contradiction. The Bible has contradicted itself before, and does so again with this situation.

The difference in translation between the two is negligible. First, as you pointed out, authorities and powers mean the same thing in the language and context. To ordain something means to make official or decree. Those being ordained are also referred to as rulers, which indicates those ruling on Earth. Otherwise called: Government authorities. The translations essentially say the same thing: Obey government authorities because God's authority is the ultimate true authority, and it's by his authority they have authority.

Then there's the conundrum of obeying the government, as God commanded, and not following laws that defy God's word. And while you can argue that there are exceptions, that in itself brings up another contradiction: Why would God give authority to those that decree things he doesn't want to be decreed? Answer: Contradiction. The Bible is filled with them:

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I have a pretty decent understanding of the Bible. I attended church almost weekly for ten years and did bible studies during this time and I used to be religious. My interpreting the bible differently from you doesn't mean I don't understand it, it just means we have different understandings.

I point out the flaws in the bible because if you dismantle the source, you dismantle the arguments.

I live in America and have access to internet that I pay for in a forum where we our free to our amendment right. I'll say what I wanna say

Can't say I expected you to miss the point, but I should have. If you don't want to have this debate, then don't reply. It makes no sense to go "I don't want to talk about this"and then continue talking about it. No one if forcing your ass to be part of this conversation

 

[ComplexCity]

No, they were.

Yet you got nowhere with your points :|

All you did was stir a fanboy to ignore facts and spew fanfic. If you want to consider that productive...

Reading through this, a lot of it is explained through one thing: Contradiction. The Bible has contradicted itself before, and does so again with this situation

Even though I explained to you that if the laws of the land contradict the ones of God, then you are not to follow them

The difference in translation between the two is negligible. First, as you pointed out, authorities and powers mean the same thing in the language and context. To ordain something means to make official or decree. Those being ordained are also referred to as rulers, which indicates those ruling on Earth. Otherwise called: Government authorities. The translations essentially say the same thing: Obey government authorities because God's authority is the ultimate true authority, and it's by his authority they have authority.

Who studies Christianity again? Like I said, the KJV is the closest to Hebrew bible. It's like trying to compare Narutowiki to the DB

Not what it's saying, it's as if you didn't read through anything posted. I mean it's habitual so I'm used to it

Then there's the conundrum of obeying the government, as God commanded, and not following laws that defy God's word. And while you can argue that there are exceptions, that in itself brings up another contradiction: Why would God give authority to those that decree things he doesn't want to be decreed? Answer: Contradiction. The Bible is filled with them

Think you need to re-read, not explaining it again

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I saw this an I'm interested to what was found. Will be looking over this. Would like to point out the the bible is not the only document of Christianity

I have a pretty decent understanding of the Bible. I attended church almost weekly for ten years and did bible studies during this time and I used to be religious. My interpreting the bible differently from you doesn't mean I don't understand it, it just means we have different understandings.

So do pastors who have their own TV and molest kids. Really doesn't mean a thing. Consider how you're repeating the same thing you did in the thread in the link, it's apparent that your wisdom of the bible is pretty ignorant

I point out the flaws in the bible because if you dismantle the source, you dismantle the arguments

Yet you did none of that :lol

Can't say I expected you to miss the point, but I should have. If you don't want to have this debate, then don't reply. It makes no sense to go "I don't want to talk about this"and then continue talking about it. No one if forcing your ass to be part of this conversation

Re-read what I said in response to this, pretty sure you derail on threads. Pretty much standing by what I said. I can do what I want. refrain from cursing because I didn't do it to you. No need to be immature Riker

 

[Jonesy161]

Well the very concept of an all powerful, all doing god is a paradox in itself...

 

[Nobel]

Well the very concept of an all powerful, all doing god is a paradox in itself...

God purposely divided himself into three states of life cause of some problematic things, it be wiser to say we "forgot" the reasons we exist for.

 

[Jonesy161]

God purposely divided himself into three states of life cause of some problematic things, it be wiser to say we "forgot" the reasons we exist for.

Thank you, however, I'm not entirely certain how this related to my comment... Sorry.

 

[Deadlift]

God is onnipotent (at least if you are referring to the Christian one) so his power surpasses even our imagination. So what feels like a paradox to us, it's not paradoxal to God
P.S These days in Narutobase people discuss more about God than about mangas XD