Would God be able to dis/prove a Paradox

[Nobel]

Well, You. You were the one who asked it to me, so the question is directed at me. And the answer to the question "Who are you" is that i am me.

smh , i am starting to think that you people bear alzheimers. You asked me "what's the question"

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

smh , i am starting to think that you people bear alzheimers. You asked me "what's the question"

I was given an answer, without a question. I asked for the question. The answer and the question i was given did not fit, because i could answer the question without needing a deity. What more do you want?


Points for saying Alzheimers, rather than Autism. Always have a slightly less used variation on the same insult (Haha, ur dumb).

 

[OG sama]

If God knows everything that will happen, then why did he even bother testing Job? If he already knew what the outcome would be, but did all those horrible stuff to Job, then he's not benevolent.

God wants u to know his heart, he wants man to work All positive things into his eyes, so you can understand him and shun evil. He needs man to see negative things so he could hate evil and break free from Satans control. He wants you to know that he is the one and only way to true salvation.

To be technical, Satan did it. God just gave him permission. I've heard it argued that he did to prove it to the other angels or something like that.


I'm not saying that is never done. I'm asking how do you know God was doing that? Where is the indication that that is what God was doing? Because so far, it sounds like you're just guessing.

How does asking Satan where he was mean he was letting Satan was explaining his actions? Those are two entirely separate questions.

Its only logical given the other stuff God has done, since you don't believe he even exist, its going to be hard explaining to you what he was doing. I can't really know what happens unless I see it, but if I believe and put my faith In God I can believe what I can't see with my own eyes. God Is described as all knowing, it only makes sense he knew but just wanted them to confess it with their own mouths because that's what free will Is all about and God lets everyone have a free will to do or say whatever.

Disregard that, we don't know what Satan was doing on earth other than just roaming it. God knew where Satan came from he just wanted Satan to say so with his freedom of speech.

 

[Punk Hazard]

God wants u to know his heart, he wants man to work All positive things into his eyes, so you can understand him and shun evil. He needs man to see negative things so he could hate evil and break free from Satans control. He wants you to know that he is the one and only way to true salvation.



Its only logical given the other stuff God has done, since you don't believe he even exist, its going to be hard explaining to you what he was doing. I can't really know what happens unless I see it, but if I believe and put my faith In God I can believe what I can't see with my own eyes. God I described as all knowing, it only makes sense he knew but just wanted them to confess it with their own mouths because that's what free will Is all about and God lets every have a free will to do or say whatever.

Disregard that, we don't know what Satan was doing on earth other than just roaming it. God knew where Satan came from he just wanted Satan to say so with his freedom of speech.

So I was right, you are guessing. It's also logical to assume that God asking where they were and what happened means God didn't know where they were and what happened. Whether or not I believe in God doesn't hinder my ability to understand who he is and what he can do. I was religious for a majority of my life anyways, so yeah, I am fully capable of understanding anything you can and choose to tell me about God.

What you're saying is there is no indication that God was speaking in that manner, your basis for believing it is faith. In which case, my question still stands since that mere faith and belief doesn't actually prove that God did know: How could God be omniscient and not know those things?

 

[OG sama]

So I was right, you are guessing. It's also logical to assume that God asking where they were and what happened means God didn't know where they were and what happened. Whether or not I believe in God doesn't hinder my ability to understand who he is and what he can do. I was religious for a majority of my life anyways, so yeah, I am fully capable of understanding anything you can and choose to tell me about God.

What you're saying is there is no indication that God was speaking in that manner, your basis for believing it is faith. In which case, my question still stands since that mere faith and belief doesn't actually prove that God did know: How could God be omniscient and not know those things?

If I am a believer of God and the bible tells me God is all knowing then its only logical that God knew where they were, I can't believe one thing and not the other. How can you say you believe in God and believe he's all knowing but say he didn't know where they were hiding? That sounds self contradictory.

If you dont believe that God is real then how would you believe he was doing anything?

Riker do you believe or you just don't want to obey God? Or do you not believe he exist?

 

[Nobel]

I was given an answer, without a question. I asked for the question. The answer and the question i was given did not fit, because i could answer the question without needing a deity. What more do you want?


Points for saying Alzheimers, rather than Autism. Always have a slightly less used variation on the same insult (Haha, ur dumb).

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Sorry i was wrong claiming you had alzheimers, it was "impossible" for me to know that you had lack of a brain. :sdo:

How in the omniverse am i supposed to know if they "fit" or not?. Smh havent you realized this is a religious debate?
this is a simple debate pointed towards whats asked and who answers the question. You are not the one who truly answers m8.

If you are blinded by some trivial "insult" then dont response. Its disgusting me every single day...

 

[Punk Hazard]

If I am a believer of God and the bible tells me God is all knowing then its only logical that God knew where they were, I can't believe one thing and not the other. How can you say you believe in God and believe he's all knowing but say he didn't know where they were hiding? That sounds self contradictory.

Ohh...yikes...not like the Bible doesn't have a lot of those things...contradictions..

But anyways, it would simply mean God actually isn't all-knowing. Are there scriptures saying explicitly God is omniscient or all-knowing?

If you dont believe that God is real then how would you believe he was doing anything?

Believe=/=understanding.

Riker do you believe or you just don't want to obey God? Or do you not believe he exist?

I don't believe he exists, nor do I want to worship him if he does because I find him detestable.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Well then, allow me to end this conversation in a way that you won't notice and be compelled to reply to.

since when did "inaccurate" get familiar with religion?, i was simply stating what the question could be without being the slightest serious. And why would i EVER care if autsim is more commonly used as a "insult"?

"Conclusion": , This hilarious summary is coming from a infant with tears of despair with no sight of human intellect. A Usual NB member who cant stay on topic without humiliating himself.

Why would you even reply to me by giving a question if you weren't being serious about it? To then embark on a pointless tyrade of insults after i COMPLIMENTED YOU just makes the whole thing a waste of time. Even if you do reply to this, i won't bother coming back. Because i know it will just be ignorant bullsh*t.

 

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[OG sama]

Ohh...yikes...not like the Bible doesn't have a lot of those things...contradictions..

But anyways, it would simply mean God actually isn't all-knowing. Are there scriptures saying explicitly God is omniscient or all-knowing?


Believe=/=understanding.


I don't believe he exists, nor do I want to worship him if he does because I find him detestable.

Psalm 139:1-3 and 15-16 don't say it but its obvious, they say what he does without outright saying he's omniscient. The bible also has no contradictions, you just may not be as knowledgeable about the bible.

Well I already know kind of why you don't like God because we have talked about it many times. But he does everything for a reason, he doesn't want you or your family to suffer forever, he wants you to understand his plan for us all. Which is to obey him and be with him in a place where there is no more pain. We as humans just can't comprehend why God does some things, we as humans need to quit acting like we know better than God.

 

[Nobel]

I mean that "God" is not the only possible answer to the question "Who are you" or "Why am i here" or any of the other questions given. So to say that "God" is "The Answer" is innacurate.

And for the record, i wasn't blinded by the trivial insult, i was complimenting you for picking a different mental illness for the insult, because Autism is a much more commonly used insult than Alzheimers. That said, i regret that you have been forced to the assumption that i do not have a brain at all, because there are much more interesting insults out there.
I shall therefore summarise this particular thread of the debate by insinuating that i have had sexual relations with your mother, and/or significant other.

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since when did "inaccurate" get familiar with religion?, i was simply stating what the question could be without being the slightest serious. And why would i EVER care if autsim is more commonly used as a "insult"?

"Conclusion": , This hilarious summary is coming from a infant with tears of despair with no sight of human intellect. A Usual NB member who cant stay on topic without humiliating himself.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Psalm 139:1-3 and 15-16 don't say it but its obvious, they say what he does without outright saying he's omniscient. The bible also has no contradictions, you just may not be as knowledgeable about the bible.

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Well I already know kind of why you don't like God because we have talked about it many times. But he does everything for a reason, he doesn't want you or your family to suffer forever, he wants you to understand his plan for us all. Which is to obey him and be with him in a place where there is no more pain. We as humans just can't comprehend why God does some things, we as humans need to quit acting like we know better than God.

I don't really care what his reasons are. He has the power to do a lot better than he does, and he doesn't. There doesn't have to be suffering. He allows it to win a bet with Satan. He has a lot of deplorable traits, including being jealous, vindictive, petty, hypocritical, selfish, homophobic, manipulative and a control-freak. So no thanks.

 

[The Work]

He created everything so he could if he wanted.

 

[OG sama]

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I don't really care what his reasons are. He has the power to do a lot better than he does, and he doesn't. There doesn't have to be suffering. He allows it to win a bet with Satan. He has a lot of deplorable traits, including being jealous, vindictive, petty, hypocritical, selfish, homophobic, manipulative and a control-freak. So no thanks.

I'm pretty sure all 101 of these contradictions can be solved. But I will study those scriptures some other time, or bring them to my bible study teacher on Sunday. Some times when you already don't like someone or something, what others can tell you can make the issue even worse. Sometimes you need to look up things and try to understand them before dismissing them as false.

Well if that's how you feel so be it, and wow at him being selfish when he gave up his own son to die for our sins, that's just how much he loved us.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I'm pretty sure all 101 of these contradictions can be solved. But I will study those scriptures some other time, or bring them to my bible study teacher on Sunday. Some times when you already don't like someone or something, what others can tell you can make the issue even worse. Sometimes you need to look up things and try to understand them before dismissing them as false.

Well if that's how you feel so be it, and wow at him being selfish when he gave up his own son to die for our sins, that's just how much he loved us.

As opposed to oh, I don't know, just taking sin away because no one is gonna punish him for doing so and he decides the rules? And cut out the entire need to having his son suffer in the first place? God did that just to pull sympathy points so he gets more of the worship he so desperately craves. God is selfish because, at the end of the day, most of what he does is just to preserve one thing: The worship he gets.

 

[Fearmonger]

As opposed to oh, I don't know, just taking sin away because no one is gonna punish him for doing so and he decides the rules? And cut out the entire need to having his son suffer in the first place? God did that just to pull sympathy points so he gets more of the worship he so desperately craves. God is selfish because, at the end of the day, most of what he does is just to preserve one thing: The worship he gets.

Sin is an action, son, so I am assuming you mean taking away our ability to sin. That's a nice plan, but it would also be a violation of our freedom of choice. Instead, he sent his son down as a blood sacrifice to pay for all the sins that man has done and will do. This made things a lot easier on mankind, who apparently just couldn't keep themselves from breaking the rules. Now, all you have to do is believe that and you're heaven bound. But people like you can't even do that. U_U

 

[Punk Hazard]

Sin is an action, son, so I am assuming you mean taking away our ability to sin. That's a nice plan, but it would also be a violation of our freedom of choice. Instead, he sent his son down as a blood sacrifice to pay for all the sins that man has done and will do. This made things a lot easier on mankind, who apparently just couldn't keep themselves from breaking the rules. Now, all you have to do is believe that and you're heaven bound. But people like you can't even do that. U_U

Yes, take away our imperfection and capacity to sin. Why even create it in the first place? Why even create the concept of sin?

"It's a violation of free will." So a rapist having the free will to be a rapist is more important to God than the safety of his victims? A murderer's choice to murder is more important than the lives of those he murders? Nice god.

Also, free will as God allows it is an illusion. "Do what I say or I'll hurt and kill you." That's not free will, that's being a hostage.

"Believe that and you're heaven bound." Oh goodie! I'll rape, swear, steal, murder and pillage to my heart's content and go to heaven because I believe.

I also find it ironic someone vouching for God and saying how mankind couldn't just "not the break the rules" has a sig of people fighting on a forum for a series about violence, but God says he detests violence. But yeah, as long as you believe, right?

 

[BanGinji]

if you're referring to those nonsensical "could god create something so heavy, he couldn't lift it?" type questions, NO. That doesn't mean he isn't all powerful.. that just means we can't warp his definition into absurdity and apply feats beyond his nature.

 

[Insidious Smile]

I can't prove God exist neither can you prove God exist, so let's not go there.

You can't prove God exists because you don't belief, and because your mind is finite.

 

[ComplexCity]

So much ignorance in a post I can't even. Lemme just sit here with my popcorn