Wood release?

[AlphaScythian]

TSB or that fap hand of his

 

[JStar King]

Wow, Sasuke got screwed again. He has Hashi DNA and chakra, but no Wood Release? How unfair XD

 

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What the hell is this? Nothing in my argument says this at all so Idk why you're trying to pin flawed logic on me.

That's exactly what your terrible argumentation was about:

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He was restricted from using rinnegan abilities through his paths. Nowhere does it say that obito can use for example deva path if he wasn't controlling the bijuu, nothing implies that.

Saying because Obito didn't use his jutsu through the Paths, that's means Obito himself can't use them.

If obito was simply referring to rinnei tensei in any case prove it

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This is simply you deflecting the fact that he's been given chances regardless of how you look at it. ST is always useful, for example he could've easily done it

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And he didn't, because he didn't have the chakra reserves for that [And Kishimoto being a hack writer was still hiding Obito's Mangekyo Sharingan]. Obito relied more on the Jinchuriki's abilities [Tailed beast transformations] than his own dojutsu.

& Deva path can fly which is universally useful otherwise JJ obito wouldn't have used his flight.

Tendo has never shown the ability to fly. It's shown brief levitation, if that's what you mean [Tendo floating over Konohagakure], and that's inferior to Hagoromo's power of flight.

And here you are still failing to understand what I said. Again, why would obito correct kakashi & gai for assuming that he [obito] has more jutsus than they [kakashi & gai] believe?

He never corrected them.

if you go by the logic that obito would HELP kakashi & gai by telling them he doesn't have the jutsus they think he has then your not worth replying to.

He said he would not waste time using the jutsu, not that he did not possess them. Two different things.

Excuse, concession accepted.

Demonstrable fact. Learn to live with it.

Just because kakashi didn't warp into obito's dimension doesn't mean that he couldn't have, & how do you know what the story would be like?

Kishimoto made Obito figure out how to teleport into Kaguya's time-space, just from looking at her.

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Therefore, why did Kakashi never teleport into their shared time-space, even after witnessing his jutsu a million times?

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Why did Kakashi never teleport, and instead travel on foot? The answer? Kishimoto is a hack writer.

Based on the fact that both eyes have done it.

Tell me when you came to that conclusion. Again, don't say chapter 674. That's a bit late in the story.

Lol So because they have the same name they must have the same abilities? Sorry that's not proof, as I said each kamui eye has a function that the other one can't do.

Then it would be the same as Sasuke's situation with Enton: Kagu-Tsuchi and Amaterasu. It's not.

Because you don't need eyes in order to use it, you need eyes in order to unlock it, there's a difference.

You don't need eyes to use a dojutsu?

It doesn't matter what obito was referring to, the full power of two eyes when they're together is susanoo, this is a fact.

It matters when you are trying to put words in his mouth. Madara having two Rinnegan had nothing to do with using Susano'o, because he used that without even having eyes in the first place. Crass argumentation.

Rinnegan is an evolution of the sharingan which follows this concept

That's an assumption, not evidence. Oh how the tables have turned: you need "evidence" to believe that Obito can use all of Nagato's powers, but as far as the Rinnegan's powers being specific towards a particular eye, like the Mangekyo Sharingan's? You're free to assume that they work the same because that is "logical" to you.

Can't have your cake and eat it too.


Show me where in the manga that Rinnegan powers are dependent on specific eyes, in the same way the manga has done for the Mangekyo Sharingan, over and over and over again.

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Show me where you saw a Rinnegan user was using a specific eye to cast a specific jutsu, as it's been done several times with the Mangekyo Sharingan.

The Rinnegan being an "evolution" has been debunked, as well. Sharingan and Rinnegan are mere "components".

Lmfao No I didn't, give me the quote where I said that nonsense.

Oh boy.

That statement applies to all eyes, if you don't have both you can't use the full power of any set of eyes, & you lose abilities on top of that.

Sasuke is hardly a valid comparison, his eye could have the deva path ability in it, or he doesn't need both eyes since he only unlocked one.

Sasuke has one eye. Sasuke used CT. Looks like you don't need two eyes.

.....You can't be serious... I was talking about the abilities the eyes share being nothing special, I never said that kamui itself wasn't special, this entire response was completely pointless & irrelevant. Nothing is special about the abilities the eyes share between eachother. Jeez I honestly thought I wouldn't have to spoonfeed my words to you by being so specific. U_U

Oh, sure, let's act like being able to teleport a million chapters later is "nothing special".
And good job avoiding the fact that Obito used his right eye [My left] to teleport the projectiles headed at Kakashi.

Which means Obito could have been sniping everyone. Looks like we're done here.

"Hack writing" Isn't going to be the excuse that saves you, sorry but if you want to chalk it up as "hack writing" then concession accepted.

Hack writing is a valid criticism to leverage against a work of literature as a consumer; there's no "concession" here, unless you feel this story does not have it's flaws. Don't be a fanboy.

 

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That's exactly what your terrible argumentation was about:

No it isn't, learn to interpret what I'm talking about. U_U

Saying because Obito didn't use his jutsu through the Paths, that's means Obito himself can't use them.

No it doesn't, way to go misconstruing what that entire quote was referring to. Gai & kakashi were wondering why the paths weren't using any of the abilities like how nagato was using his paths, they weren't even referring to obito & whether or not he could use them himself.

That quote was highlighting the fact that they weren't talking about obito's ability to use the rinnegan jutsus but rather his ability to channel those rinnegan jutsus through his paths, so again this is another way to show you how that scan is irrelevant & doesn't suggest that he can use them all.

I never said that if obito can't use his rinnegan abilities through his paths then he can't use them through himself, so get that belief out of your head.

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That again proves nothing, just because he wanted nagato to use rinnei tensei doesn't mean that he was referring to rinnei tensei as the rinnegan's "full" or "true" power, all you have is speculation which isn't credible. Since you can't directly connect the fact that rinnei tensei was what obito was referring to in the previous scan then the claim you're trying to make is invalid.

And he didn't, because he didn't have the chakra reserves for that

Complete speculation, you're continuously making up excuses when you have absolutely no way to explain yourself. You go on making bold claims such as "obito was never given a chance to use the paths" yet when I present a scan clearly proving you wrong you go ahead & assume that he didn't have enough chakra reserves? No proof? No nothing?

How can you expect me to take you seriously as a debater if your argument has a multitude of flaws? Stop making excuses, I could give you more scans of times where obito could've used rinnegan abilities however you seem to think that chakra is the issue. Then I guess you won't mind explaining obito's lack of rinnegan use as a JJ? Chakra wasn't a problem there, yet he used zero rinnegan jutsus [human path & outer path can both be replaced with onmyoudon however again any deva path abilities would've been useful].

[And Kishimoto being a hack writer was still hiding Obito's Mangekyo Sharingan].

1] Can't keep chalking up things you can't explain as "kishi being a hack writer", that's scapegoating & it's a logical fallacy. If your only form of "evidence" is that kishi is a bad writer then you essentially have no argument.

2] Kishi never hid obito's MS, merely the design which is irrelevant if you're referring to that.

Obito relied more on the Jinchuriki's abilities [Tailed beast transformations] than his own dojutsu.

He relied on the jin's abilities because they can create nukes & their coordination surpassed anything he could've done on his own at the time, this means nothing. & Besides he relied on kamui much more than he did the jin's abilities so Idk where you're getting the idea that he was using the jins more.

Tendo has never shown the ability to fly. It's shown brief levitation, if that's what you mean [Tendo floating over Konohagakure], and that's inferior to Hagoromo's power of flight.

Lol More claims that can't be supported I see. Prove that the levitation used by deva is brief, & by the way deva did

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& Finally, I see you've again mentioned something completely irrelevant. I [again], never once said that deva's flight ability was superior to hagoromo's in any way, merely that he had the opportunity to use it yet didn't. I honestly don't understand why you keep continuously mentioning irrelevant points.

He never corrected them.

Which is my point, why would he? He is their enemy which is what I've been saying this whole time, even if they were wrong & he simply didn't have the ability to use the jutsus they mentioned he still wouldn't go out of his way to say "Oh sorry guys, but I actually can't use those jutsus". As I said, completely illogical.

He said he would not waste time using the jutsu, not that he did not possess them. Two different things.

Obito said no such thing. Kakashi & gai assumed that obito couldn't use the paths because of how much chakra it takes to control the jins, he merely agreed. You're going by the logic that if they were wrong, obito would then correct them, but this is awful logic. The only way your scan holds any weight is if we follow this logic, & since that would never be the case, your proof is invalidated.

Demonstrable fact. Learn to live with it.

Scapegoating, if you're going to stick to your fallacies then you're doing no more than conceding.

Kishimoto made Obito figure out how to teleport into Kaguya's time-space, just from looking at her.

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Therefore, why did Kakashi never teleport into their shared time-space, even after witnessing his jutsu a million times?

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This is a foolish claim to make, why didn't obito ever try to capture naruto as an infant/baby when minato died? Nothing was standing in his way at that point.

I can't come up with every single explanation as to why a character thinks the way they do, maybe kakashi just never got the hint? I don't know, I'm not kishi.

The fact of the matter is you can't dictate the way a story would play out based on one thing changing, because you aren't kishi. How do you know that if kakashi did know how to do what you're suggesting earlier on that kishi would've changed the mechanics behind kamui entirely? You have no idea so don't act like you know what will happen in a hypothetical scenario with multiple variables.

Why did Kakashi never teleport, and instead travel on foot? The answer? Kishimoto is a hack writer.

More scapegoating, kakashi would've been overpowered if he knew how to use all of obito's abilities early in the manga, he had kakashi slowly learn them as he fought obito, you blaming the mangaka because the manga doesn't suit your argument is literally as biased as it can get.

Tell me when you came to that conclusion. Again, don't say chapter 674. That's a bit late in the story.

Since this scan.

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& He also used it to warp himself as well as obito

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, however that wouldn't be the case if he used kamui to warp himself. [

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Then it would be the same as Sasuke's situation with Enton: Kagu-Tsuchi and Amaterasu. It's not.

Lol No it wouldn't. Ama & enton do two different things. Ama spawns black flames, enton controls black flames. Both obito's & kakashi's eye do the same thing [warp an object or part of an object from one dimension to the other], the only difference is that they both have unique ways of doing that. Since the jutsus do the same thing they would logically have the same name, ama/enton is hardly a valid comparison.

You don't need eyes to use a dojutsu?

You don't need eyes to use susanoo once you've unlocked it, this has been established since the first time susanoo was shown, a

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itachi can maintain it without a problem, meaning that the eyes themselves have no influence on one's ability to use susanoo, but rather their ability to unlock it.

I guess I should also mention that susanoo is the exception because it's the only dojutsu shown capable of doing this, since if I don't clarify you'll most likely try to use it against me somehow. U_U

It matters when you are trying to put words in his mouth.

I'm not, there you go misinterpreting things again.

Madara having two Rinnegan had nothing to do with using Susano'o, because he used that without even having eyes in the first place.

Seriously please for my own health stop with the comments that have potential to give me brain damage. Zzz I Never said that madara having two rinnegan has anything to do with him having susanoo, merely that the full power of two mangekyou eyes is susanoo.

When obito was talking about how two eyes coming together will bring out their full power, I said how that statement applies to all eyes. You then said it doesn't because madara was referring to kamui's 2x speed, however since it's a fact that one may only unlock susanoo [aka the full power of their MS eyes] when the two are together, that proves you wrong since having both eyes does bring forth their full power & thus obito's statement was referring to all eyes.

I proved this portion of the argument wrong, you're simply trying to deflect the topic to an irrelevant place, I never once said that having two rinnegan has anything to do with susanoo, I was merely using it as an example to prove how obito was referring to all eyes.

That's an assumption, not evidence.

Logical assumption that's based on fact, more likely a possibility than what you're suggesting & that's all that matters, since that means the burden of proof lies on you.

You need "evidence" to believe that Obito can use all of Nagato's powers, but as far as the Rinnegan's powers being specific towards a particular eye, like the Mangekyo Sharingan's? You're free to assume that they work the same because that is "logical" to you.

Lol Just stop, I need evidence to

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that it's a possibility. I never said that you need concrete evidence to prove he can do it without a shadow of a doubt, go back & re-read every single post I made, I always mentioned how there is nothing to suggest that obito can use all the powers.

I have evidence which suggests he can't, & that's the fact that the sharingan is exclusive to certain abilities & the rinnegan is an evolved version of that, so it should logically follow suit. Now, you need to prove why the eyes wouldn't follow suit otherwise you have no argument.

Can't have your cake and eat it too.

Nice attempt, too bad you were completely incorrect in your assumption of my expectations.

Show me where in the manga that Rinnegan powers are dependent on specific eyes, in the same way the manga has done for the Mangekyo Sharingan, over and over and over again.

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Here you go.

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But the burden of proof is on you anyways, so don't bother trying to counter unless you have sufficient evidence to finally back up your claim.

Show me where you saw a Rinnegan user was using a specific eye to cast a specific jutsu, as it's been done several times with the Mangekyo Sharingan.

Above.

The Rinnegan being an "evolution" has been debunked, as well. Sharingan and Rinnegan are mere "components".

So now you're going to completely ignore the manga? Lmfao, the sharingan evolves into the rinnegan, nothing more to say here.

Oh boy.

Oh boy indeed, seems you failed yet again. U_U

Sasuke has one eye. Sasuke used CT. Looks like you don't need two eyes.

I wasn't referring to sasuke in the former quote genius, he's obviously an exception as I then go on to mention in the latter quote.

Just because I didn't mention sasuke in my first quote doesn't mean I was including him in it, oh my goodness this is absolutely ridiculous. I'm getting a little sick & tired of your bullsh*t you know.

Oh, sure, let's act like being able to teleport a million chapters later is "nothing special".

No it's not, not in comparison to the abilities that they don't share which is what I was referring to [misinterpreting my posts again, not surprising at all U_U].

The "special" I'm referring to is the evidence you still haven't shown me which proves the fact that kakashi & obito's eyes are identical, I don't care when kakashi showed me his ability, he hasn't shown me obito's ability which would be what I'd call "special" in this case, smh.

And good job avoiding the fact that Obito used his right eye [My left] to teleport the projectiles headed at Kakashi.

I didn't avoid anything, you never mentioned it so why should I? This is the same BS as the above where you thought I was referring to sasuke just because I didn't mention him as an exception. Your style of debating is ridiculous, false assumptions & misinterpretations galore.

Now, lets take a look:

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As you can see, yes it does focus on obito's right eye, however it doesn't do

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like it normally should if kamui was actually activating in that eye, so there's no proof that he used that eye to perform the long-ranged snipe.

Saying that obito used kamui in his right eye is the same thing as me saying that sasuke used tsukuyomi. He never showed us he can do it but he's used genjutsus that look

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to it. Sasuke never used tsukuyomi & obito never used kamui with that eye, well at least there's no confirmation.

Which means Obito could have been sniping everyone. Looks like we're done here.

He can't because he doesn't have kakashi's sniping ability.

Hack writing is a valid criticism to leverage against a work of literature as a consumer;

Well too bad, you can't use it as a scapegoat whenever an argument doesn't go your way.

there's no "concession" here,

Yes there is if you're going to resort to that as your rebuttal.

unless you feel this story does not have it's flaws. Don't be a fanboy.

It's obviously flawed, nothing is perfect. However just because something happens that you can't explain doesn't mean that it's always the writer's fault, you have no idea what he's thinking so you have no idea if his writing decisions were bad or not, at least to him anyways.

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[Xāvî1]

Hashirama DNA!!

 

[TrollKing]

Wiki is the same as viz translation = fantic or way off

 

[Dragon Master]

Wow, Sasuke got screwed again. He has Hashi DNA and chakra, but no Wood Release? How unfair XD

Kabuto used Hashirama's DNA to heal Sasuke. We don't know if Sasuke has Hashirama's DNA or not.

 

[JStar King]

Kabuto used Hashirama's DNA to heal Sasuke. We don't know if Sasuke has Hashirama's DNA or not.

Kabuto used Hashi's cells, which is basically DNA. Sasuke should have Moukton too for that. In Kakashi Gaiden arc, Yamato was able to awaken it after getting the cells as well. It's unfair.

 

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No it doesn't, way to go misconstruing what that entire quote was referring to. Gai & kakashi were wondering why the paths weren't using any of the abilities like how nagato was using his paths, they weren't even referring to obito & whether or not he could use them himself.

They concluded Obito was not going to waste his time using jutsu they already knew about.

That quote was highlighting the fact that they weren't talking about obito's ability to use the rinnegan jutsus but rather his ability to channel those rinnegan jutsus through his paths

The exchange was not concerning the ability to channel the powers. It was concerning the viability of channelling them. I know they sound similar, but they actually have different meanings.

That again proves nothing, just because he wanted nagato to use rinnei tensei doesn't mean that he was referring to rinnei tensei as the rinnegan's "full" or "true" power

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Terrible argumentation strikes again. The whole point of giving Nagato the Rinnegan was so that he would sacrifice himself to revive Madara, and he betrayed Obito by instead reviving Konohagakura's villagers.

1] Can't keep chalking up things you can't explain as "kishi being a hack writer", that's scapegoating & it's a logical fallacy. If your only form of "evidence" is that kishi is a bad writer then you essentially have no argument.

That's a warranted criticism from I as a person who consumes this story. If things didn't go a certain way, it's simply because Kishimoto is a bad writer [As some humans tend to be]. Nothing to be ashamed of.

2] Kishi never hid obito's MS, merely the design which is irrelevant if you're referring to that.

That's exactly what I'm referring to. It wasn't until chapter 598 until he decided to reveal the Mangekyo Sharingan and the connection of the time-space.

He relied on the jin's abilities because they can create nukes & their coordination surpassed anything he could've done on his own at the time, this means nothing.

That means everything. Naruto and co. have experience fighting the 6 paths. They don't have experience fighting 6 different jinchuriki.

Lol More claims that can't be supported I see. Prove that the levitation used by deva is brief, & by the way deva did

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Tendo levitated briefly; he could not actually fly. Do you think Nagato would bother summoning a bird if he could actually just take to the skies?

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That his mobility would have been brought up as a reason for his defeat, if he could actually fly? Crass argumentation strikes again.

Which is my point, why would he? He is their enemy which is what I've been saying this whole time, even if they were wrong & he simply didn't have the ability to use the jutsus they mentioned he still wouldn't go out of his way to say "Oh sorry guys, but I actually can't use those jutsus". As I said, completely illogical.

Actually, that sort of thing happens more than once [See

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Obito said no such thing. Kakashi & gai assumed that obito couldn't use the paths because of how much chakra it takes to control the jins, he merely agreed.

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That's not all he agreed to.

Scapegoating, if you're going to stick to your fallacies then you're doing no more than conceding.

Scapegoating? Really? Don't be a fanboy.

This is a foolish claim to make, why didn't obito ever try to capture naruto as an infant/baby when minato died? Nothing was standing in his way at that point.

Ha ha! This Kishimoto sounds like a genius.

The fact of the matter is you can't dictate the way a story would play out based on one thing changing, because you aren't kishi.

This is not about changing the story's outcomes. It's about pointing out inconsistencies.

How do you know that if kakashi did know how to do what you're suggesting earlier on that kishi would've changed the mechanics behind kamui entirely?

How does he not know know how enter a time-space he shares with another person, but voila!, Kaguya comes along and Obito suddenly knows how to enter hers?

Lol No it wouldn't. Ama & enton do two different things. Ama spawns black flames, enton controls black flames.

Actually, Enton: Kagu-tsuchi can create flames, as well. Some may have disagreed on what happened in chapter 641, but chapter 698 put an end to the debate. You can chalk it up to hack writing.

Both obito's & kakashi's eye do the same thing [warp an object or part of an object from one dimension to the other], the only difference is that they both have unique ways of doing that.

They no longer do.

You don't need eyes to use susanoo once you've unlocked it, this has been established since the first time susanoo was shown, a

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itachi can maintain it without a problem

Maintaining =! Activating

meaning that the eyes themselves have no influence on one's ability to use susanoo, but rather their ability to unlock it.

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You correct as far as what happen, and that makes zero sense. The Mangekyo Sharingan's power goes away once the eye becomes blind, and yet suddenly someone can use it without having eyes at all? Hack writing at it's lowest.

When obito was talking about how two eyes coming together will bring out their full power, I said how that statement applies to all eyes. You then said it doesn't because madara was referring to kamui's 2x speed, however since it's a fact that one may only unlock susanoo [aka the full power of their MS eyes] when the two are together, that proves you wrong since having both eyes does bring forth their full power & thus obito's statement was referring to all eyes.

Going around in circles with this one.

Logical assumption that's based on fact, more likely a possibility than what you're suggesting & that's all that matters, since that means the burden of proof lies on you.

[font-"arial"]That's retarded. This basically boils down a "my word vs. yours" mentality; that you somehow become the authority on what is "logical" and what is not. Are we having a discussion or are having a debate? There's no resolution to be had with that kind of thinking. [/font]

Lol Just stop, I need evidence to

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that it's a possibility.

Moving goalposts; there's enough to suggest that he can use the paths,

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. You want someone outright "prove" something to you, which is why you are making this an argument and not a discussion that tries to resolve matters. If you do not want to argue with me, because you know you can't be swayed, then let this be the end of this.

I have evidence which suggests he can't, & that's the fact that the sharingan is exclusive to certain abilities & the rinnegan is an evolved version of that

Once again, show me something in the manga that postulates the two work the same way. Show me a Rinnegan user casting a jutsu with a particular eye. Assuming they must work the same is not evidence.

Once again, Rinnegan is not an evolution of the Sharingan.

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You didn't just forget Madara only had ONE eye at that point in time, and it wasn't until later that he got the other one, did you?

So now you're going to completely ignore the manga?

Depends on what message you get from the manga. The databook has already reconciled this.

As you can see, yes it does focus on obito's right eye

And that's all she wrote.

however it doesn't do

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like it normally should if kamui was actually activating in that eye, so there's no proof that he used that eye to perform the long-ranged snipe.

So there's "no proof" of Obito using Kamui with that eye, other than you know, Kishimoto showing that eye. Gotcha.

Saying that obito used kamui in his right eye is the same thing as me saying that sasuke used tsukuyomi.

No crass argumentation is complete without straw mans. This discussion is about which eye was used, not what was done with the eye.

Well too bad, you can't use it as a scapegoat whenever an argument doesn't go your way.

Never did. Learn the difference.

Yes there is if you're going to resort to that as your rebuttal.

No, there isn't. Your claiming it is a "concession" is simply a "concession" on your part.

It's obviously flawed, nothing is perfect.

Good. You're disagreeing on which part I'm attributing to hack writing.

 

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They concluded Obito was not going to waste his time using jutsu they already knew about.

Doesn't change anything, they were referring to obito using them through the paths, not by himself.

The exchange was not concerning the ability to channel the powers. It was concerning the viability of channelling them. I know they sound similar, but they actually have different meanings.

Doesn't change anything.

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Terrible argumentation strikes again. The whole point of giving Nagato the Rinnegan was so that he would sacrifice himself to revive Madara, and he betrayed Obito by instead reviving Konohagakura's villagers.

Doesn't change anything, this is all merely your opinion. You still have no proof to support the fact thao obito called rinnei tensei the rinnegan's full power, this point is worthless.

That's a warranted criticism from I as a person who consumes this story. If things didn't go a certain way, it's simply because Kishimoto is a bad writer [As some humans tend to be]. Nothing to be ashamed of.

A certain way in this case = not your way. Since you're using an easy target to blame for things you can't explain, I'm going to stop taking this seriously .

That's exactly what I'm referring to. It wasn't until chapter 598 until he decided to reveal the Mangekyo Sharingan and the connection of the time-space.

So what? Again means nothing.

That means everything. Naruto and co. have experience fighting the 6 paths. They don't have experience fighting 6 different jinchuriki.

Sorry but that still means nothing...

Tendo levitated briefly; he could not actually fly.

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Deva flew no matter what you try & say.

Do you think Nagato would bother summoning a bird if he could actually just take to the skies?

Irrelevant, as I said I don't know what a character is thinking. Fact of the matter is that he can fly as he's shown us he can.

& If nagato used his bird to fly then why didn't obito do something similar? This is about why he never used rinnegan jutsus when the opportunity presented itself, well add flight to the list.

That his mobility would have been brought up as a reason for his defeat, if he could actually fly?

Prove that kabuto knew about deva's ability to fly, because

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could've been used to negate nagato's mobility problem yet it wasn't, proving that kabuto didn't know how to remedy the problem = implying he didn't know about flight.

Actually, that sort of thing happens more than once [See

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]. There's a TV Trope somewhere for how overconfident [Read: retarded] villains can be.

Yet obito didn't give the group fighting him any hints on to how to be defeated, therefore there is zero evidence to prove that this applies to him, & thus zero evidence to prove he was telling the truth.

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That's not all he agreed to.

He didn't agree to gais statement unless you have proof, he was referring to kakashi's good eye.

& In any case, agreeing with them again means nothing since you can't prove he was telling the truth.

Scapegoating? Really? Don't be a fanboy.

Concession accepted.

This is not about changing the story's outcomes. It's about pointing out inconsistencies.

Then why are you telling me that the story would've been completely different if something changed?

If Kakashi could have warped into Obito's dimension this whole time, or teleported anywhere he wanted like Obito could, the story would have a very different outcome. - You

This never was about the story's outcomes, but you made it about that by making such an idiotic claim.

This seems to be a thing for you, whenever you lose an argument you try & deflect the topic somewhere else & try & say that my point was irrelevant in the first place. NO, I wrote it for a reason, stop getting upset & deflecting my points.

How does he not know know how enter a time-space he shares with another person, but voila!, Kaguya comes along and Obito suddenly knows how to enter hers?

Ask kishi.

Actually, Enton: Kagu-tsuchi can create flames, as well. Some may have disagreed on what happened in chapter 641, but chapter 698 put an end to the debate. You can chalk it up to hack writing.

No it can't, enton was used in both of those instances to adjust the ama he spawned with the chakra percentage of his other jutsus. [

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] Ama never created flames, it merely controls the flames as the manga stated, anything else is speculation.

They no longer do.

Not the proof, this claim is empty.

Maintaining =! Activating

There's no difference, prove there is.

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You correct as far as what happen, and that makes zero sense. The Mangekyo Sharingan's power goes away once the eye becomes blind, and yet suddenly someone can use it without having eyes at all? Hack writing at it's lowest.

Still too daft to understand I see. Susanoo is an exception, you only need both eyes to unlock it & not use it, therefore what you think is "hack writing" is clearly just you scapegoating because of something you can't explain.

Going around in circles with this one.

I can say the same for you & your retarded "hack writing" nonsense.

That's retarded. This basically boils down a "my word vs. yours" mentality; that you somehow become the authority on what is "logical" and what is not. Are we having a discussion or are having a debate? There's no resolution to be had with that kind of thinking.

It's retarded that you would associate that quote with me thinking I have authority over you. I have proof to suggest my idea, you don't, therefore my idea is more credible than yours.

This has nothing to do with my word against yours, it has to do with who can support their idea the best, & you can't.

Moving goalposts; there's enough to suggest that he can use the paths,

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. You want someone outright "prove" something to you, which is why you are making this an argument and not a discussion that tries to resolve matters. If you do not want to argue with me, because you know you can't be swayed, then let this be the end of this.

Wrong, I want you to prove that the manga suggests it's more possible than what I said, but you can't.

Once again, show me something in the manga that postulates the two work the same way. Show me a Rinnegan user casting a jutsu with a particular eye. Assuming they must work the same is not evidence.

I did.

Once again, Rinnegan is not an evolution of the Sharingan.

Still denying the manga?

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You didn't just forget Madara only had ONE eye at that point in time, and it wasn't until later that he got the other one, did you?

Doesn't change anything, he used a rinnegan jutsu with his eye which is what you wanted, sorry but having one doesn't change that.

Also posted another scan.

Depends on what message you get from the manga. The databook has already reconciled this.

More nonsense.

And that's all she wrote.

Even more nonsense.

So there's "no proof" of Obito using Kamui with that eye, other than you know, Kishimoto showing that eye. Gotcha.

I guess obito used kamui with the rinnegan because it showed it

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You have no proof he used it with that eye, end of story.

This discussion is about which eye was used, not what was done with the eye.

Doesn't change anything, sasuke never used tsukuyomi in the same way that itachi has. [

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Sasuke was never shown activating tsukuyomi like obito was never shown activating kamui in that scan or the ones I posted, if you believe he used kamui with that eye then I can say that sasuke used tsukuyomi since he showed us genjutsus similar to it but never tsukuyomi itself activating. Show me kamui activating, then you have proof.

Never did. Learn the difference.

Yes you are, get over it.

No, there isn't. Your claiming it is a "concession" is simply a "concession" on your part.

It's a concession all around if you're going to resort to using logical fallacies & changing the topic of my points in order to continue arguing.

Good. You're disagreeing on which part I'm attributing to hack writing.

No because you're attributing everything you're wrong about to hack writing. There is no "part" here, your whole argument is based on the fact that kishi is a bad writer, & if that's the case then I'm done here. I'm sick & tired of your hack writing excuses, every time you're proven wrong you resort to it, nothing productive to say to you & your atrocious ignorance anymore.

Respond if you want, you wont get a response from me, I've officially branded you as someone not to be taken seriously since every time you're proven wrong you crawl to your scapegoat. Sorry but I'm not falling for it, you may have won your previous debates by using such a low method but you're not going to get this nonsense past me.

Scapegoat & twist my arguments to suit your needs all you want, you lost this debate ages ago, now have a nice life.

 

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No it doesn't, obito doesn't have animal path until you can prove otherwise, until then the wiki is wrong.



Completely irrelevant, nothing here suggests that obito has nagato's animal path summons.



Animal path, asura path, deva path, & nakara path all disagree with that.



Again irrelevant, they have jutsus listed in obito's arsenal that he hasn't been shown to do. Just because the wiki believes he may have access to them based on a theory doesn't mean that they should be added in his list of usable jutsus.

There's already evidence suggesting he can't use all 6 paths in the first place. [

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] Nothing suggests he can use all of them other than a theory that the wiki relies on.

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^ Lol They even have amaterasu as a form of enton, & they classify enton as an advanced nature manipulation along with yoton. Smh

Nothing suggests he has all the paths? That's some bullshit there. In the manga, Kakashi and Gai debated reasons as to why Obito wasn't using all the rinnegan techniques. The consensus was that control the jinchuuriki and the bijuu took too much chakra and that Obito figured out that they may already have counters for those jutsu anyway since they already seen em from Pein. This happened in the manga and yet you come here and spout shit about nothing 'suggesting' that Obito had all the paths? We've seen him use outa path (rinne tensei, outa path rods and chains) and he was about to use Human path on Yamato but Kabuto stopped him and said that human path would kill Yamato and he didn't want Yamato dead yet. All in all, it's actually the other way around, there is nothing to suggest that He CAN'T use all the paths, the manga clearly suggests that he can, especially with Kakashi and Gai scene. There is also the obvious fact that he uses the six paths techniques, it's called six paths technique for a reason dumb dumb, coz every human under control has a rinnegan path. Konan told Naruto that Nagato was the seventh path, the outer path which controls life and death. This alludes to the possiblility that Nagato's main body probably couldn't use the other paths while he had the six paths technique activated because his powers were divided amongst those six paths. In case you didn't notice, Tobi used only the outa path in that battle with Naruto, Bee, Kakashi, and Gai, why? Because the other paths were divided amongst the jinchuuriki but he didn't use em because, as alluded to in the manga through Kakashi and Gai's convo, Konoha knew about the jutsu and developed counters, and because it took too much chakra to control six bijuu and use rinnegan techs.

 

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Nothing suggests he has all the paths? That's some bullshit there. In the manga, Kakashi and Gai debated reasons as to why Obito wasn't using all the rinnegan techniques. The consensus was that control the jinchuuriki and the bijuu took too much chakra and that Obito figured out that they may already have counters for those jutsu anyway since they already seen em from Pein.

Looks like someone didn't read the debate.

I clearly highlighted how that scan is not referring to obito having the ability to use all of his paths, they were debating why the paths weren't using any of nagato's abilities, not obito himself.

& Only an idiot would correct an enemy for falsely guessing what kind of abilities they have in their arsenal, therefore obito agreeing with their analysis means nothing.

Sorry but nothing in that scan suggests that obito can use all the paths, read the debate then come responding next time because I'm not going to repeat the same sh*t to you.

This happened in the manga and yet you come here and spout shit about nothing 'suggesting' that Obito had all the paths?

Proved how that scan means nothing, now quit whining.

We've seen him use outa path (rinne tensei, outa path rods and chains) and he was about to use Human path on Yamato but Kabuto stopped him and said that human path would kill Yamato and he didn't want Yamato dead yet.

I never denied he could use some of the paths, these were the two I said he had, read the damn argument.

All in all, it's actually the other way around, there is nothing to suggest that He CAN'T use all the paths,

He only has one eye, you can only use the full power of both eyes when the two are together, eyes have been shown to be exclusive to certain abilities. All that combined with

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scan suggests that he can't do it.

the manga clearly suggests that he can, especially with Kakashi and Gai scene.

No it doesn't, read the argument that already covers this.

There is also the obvious fact that he uses the six paths techniques,

Lol

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, what you're referring to is the

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technique which is a part of the outer path.

Meaning the fact that he used that jutsu merely proves that he can use the outer path.

it's called six paths technique for a reason dumb dumb, coz every human under control has a rinnegan path.

Fail, it's called the six paths technique because it's derived from the rinnegan & named after the sage ofsix paths.

 

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Looks like someone didn't read the debate.

I clearly highlighted how that scan is not referring to obito having the ability to use all of his paths, they were debating why the paths weren't using any of nagato's abilities, not obito himself.

& Only an idiot would correct an enemy for falsely guessing what kind of abilities they have in their arsenal, therefore obito agreeing with their analysis means nothing.

Sorry but nothing in that scan suggests that obito can use all the paths, read the debate then come responding next time because I'm not going to repeat the same sh*t to you.



Proved how that scan means nothing, now quit whining.



I never denied he could use some of the paths, these were the two I said he had, read the damn argument.



He only has one eye, you can only use the full power of both eyes when the two are together, eyes have been shown to be exclusive to certain abilities. All that combined with

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scan suggests that he can't do it.



No it doesn't, read the argument that already covers this.



Lol

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, what you're referring to is the

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technique which is a part of the outer path.

Meaning the fact that he used that jutsu merely proves that he can use the outer path.



Fail, it's called the six paths technique because it's derived from the rinnegan & named after the sage ofsix paths.

All I hear from you is fanfic excuses. Nothing you claimed is legitimate, it's all made up to suit your argument. Next thing you're going to tell us that Madara, the owner of the rinnegan, doesn't have animal path or human path because he didn't use them and because 'nothing suggests that he has em' as a result right? You're just a whiny kid petulantly whining because you can't get your way. Madara also didn't use shurado or Naraka, I guess he doesn't have those either ne? Jesz, kids nowadays, failing at common sense.

 

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All I hear from you is fanfic excuses. Nothing you claimed is legitimate, it's all made up to suit your argument.

Lol ^ What someone says when they have no other rebuttals.

Next thing you're going to tell us that Madara, the owner of the rinnegan, doesn't have animal path or human path because he didn't use them and because 'nothing suggests that he has em' as a result right?

Never denied the possibility, however he doesn't get access to it when pit against another character since he has no feats using it, so nice attempt at debunking my logic.

You're just a whiny kid petulantly whining because you can't get your way.

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Madara also didn't use shurado or Naraka, I guess he doesn't have those either ne?

He may have them, however we can't determine how he would use them based on lack of feats so he can't use them in a VS debate.

But this topic is about the wiki giving obito all the rinnegan abilities despite no proof suggesting he can use them. This has nothing to do with VS debates & so I have no problem with the wiki giving madara all of those abilities.

Jesz, kids nowadays, failing at common sense.

I put my age on my profile for a reason, so that morons like you would know when you're addressing an adult. But hey, it's not uncommon for children to call others they assume are younger as "kids" to make themselves feel slightly older or more educated. It's okay, I'll let it slide this time champ.

 

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Sakura says that Naruto's arm is made form Hashirama's cells. So I would wager that is what gave him access to Mokuton, albeit not on the same level.

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