Will Tsukuyomi work on Naruto?

[BlackFlame44]

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I doubt that the drop was long enough for all this to happen in real time after falling a great deal already.


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There's no way such a long discussion occur while Naruto was standing still unless it happened in an instant in real time. Otherwise, Obito would have attacked him, or biju mode would have run out before he removed the rods.

Ok I believe you it'll be more proof that tsukuyomi doesn't work on naruto

 

[~Sovereign~]

Nope, jinchuuriki are immune to genjutsu

 

[KidGamer65]

Itachi clearly said that only an Uchiha with the Sharingan can break Tsukuyomi. Naruto is not an Uchiha nor does he wield the Sharingan so he gets raped by it if he gets hit.

 

[BlackFlame44]

Itachi clearly said that only an Uchiha with the Sharingan can break Tsukuyomi. Naruto is not an Uchiha nor does he wield the Sharingan so he gets raped by it if he gets hit.

Has itachi ever used it on a perfect Jin? He even warned bee about genjutsu without knowing about his immunity

 

[AGoodBoy]

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I doubt that the drop was long enough for all this to happen in real time after falling a great deal already.


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There's no way such a long discussion occur while Naruto was standing still unless it happened in an instant in real time. Otherwise, Obito would have attacked him, or biju mode would have run out before he removed the rods.

This is because those things happen in the mind. Neurons fire at millionths of seconds, so all that thought can be processed in a few real world seconds. But, the thing is, even though naruto can 'think' and have that long conversation, it won't help when he's in a genjutsu. His concious mind is asleep.

Naruto's concious mind is asleep, while kurama's own is awake. Kurama knows naruto would be under a genjutsu based on the fact that he's sleeping. Therefore, the fact that the bijuu sees the host as a sleeping concious, debunks any claim that the bijuu experiences the genjutsu with the user. All the bijuu knows is that the host is asleep, if it weren't so and hachibi broke bee out instantly, itachi would have never had time to toss those shuriken at bee. Bee would have been long awake before those shuriken were in midair, therefore a few Real world seconds had to have passed even in that basic genjutsu. And, seeing as a few real world seconds past, tsukuyomi would have already finished it's 72 hour time period within the time the host was awoken.

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[Rainbow Dash]

No, Kurama cannot dispel Tsukuyomi in less than 1 second.

 

[KidGamer65]

Has itachi ever used it on a perfect Jin? He even warned bee about genjutsu without knowing about his immunity

Perfect Jins are not immune to Genjutsu, if they were immune then B wouldn't have fallen into Itachi's Sharingan Genjutsu. Perfect Jins use the Partner Method, a basic method of breaking out of Genjutsu. The only thing that makes it special is that the Bijuu does for them while inside of them, so the Jin doesn't need an external partner to break Genjutsu.

Tsukuyomi was used on Kakashi and even though Kurenai and Asuma were there, Itachi made it very clear that there was no escaping since he didnt meet the above requirements.

 

[HiddenSound]

It shouldn't work, no.

 

[theacknowledgedone]

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I doubt that the drop was long enough for all this to happen in real time after falling a great deal already.


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There's no way such a long discussion occur while Naruto was standing still unless it happened in an instant in real time. Otherwise, Obito would have attacked him, or biju mode would have run out before he removed the rods.

Ok I believe you it'll be more proof that tsukuyomi doesn't work on naruto

Nope, jinchuuriki are immune to genjutsu

"Amidst the insight and hypnosis possessed by Sharingan, is a supreme genjutsu, born from the aforementioned hypnosis: Tsukuyomi. Originally, people on the face of the Earth live bound by limitations like time, gravity, and space; and how people exert their abilities within those restrictions is what separates the victors from the vanquished. But in the mental world where the caster drags their opponent, the Tsukuyomi jutsu gives them control over those very limitations!"

this means that a superior genjutsu user, such as Itachi, can use tsukuyomi to alter absolutely anything the target percieves, thus giving them ample ability to let the person believe they are in control while altering whatever their original ideas were into what the user of tsukuyomi desires. The victim cannnot do anything about it and won't know they are under his genjutsu. This happened during Itachi's fight with Sasuke. From the moment he walked in to the moment Itachi took his eye until Sasuke broke it. Sasuke thought the entire situation was really happening to him. I rest my case. It wasn't a plot hole when Itachi said only a user of the Sharingan user of the same blood line can break it.... nobody else is going to break it U_U

 

[Sennin of Logic]

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This is because those things happen in the mind. Neurons fire at millionths of seconds, so all that thought can be processed in a few real world seconds. But, the thing is, even though naruto can 'think' and have that long conversation, it won't help when he's in a genjutsu. His concious mind is asleep.

Naruto's concious mind is asleep, while kurama's own is awake. Kurama knows naruto would be under a genjutsu based on the fact that he's sleeping. Therefore, the fact that the bijuu sees the host as a sleeping concious, debunks any claim that the bijuu experiences the genjutsu with the user. All the bijuu knows is that the host is asleep, if it weren't so and hachibi broke bee out instantly, itachi would have never had time to toss those shuriken at bee. Bee would have been long awake before those shuriken were in midair, therefore a few Real world seconds had to have passed even in that basic genjutsu. And, seeing as a few real world seconds past, tsukuyomi would have already finished it's 72 hour time period within the time the host was awoken.

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Problem with that is, Kurama's a part of Naruto's deep subconscious which is why he had to risk his life to talk to him for the first time. On top of this, he supposedly looses all consciousness when he goes 4 tails and beyond, yet he can have a conversation with Kurama when he went 8 tails.

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[Sennin of Logic]

"Amidst the insight and hypnosis possessed by Sharingan, is a supreme genjutsu, born from the aforementioned hypnosis: Tsukuyomi. Originally, people on the face of the Earth live bound by limitations like time, gravity, and space; and how people exert their abilities within those restrictions is what separates the victors from the vanquished. But in the mental world where the caster drags their opponent, the Tsukuyomi jutsu gives them control over those very limitations!"

this means that a superior genjutsu user, such as Itachi, can use tsukuyomi to alter absolutely anything the target percieves, thus giving them ample ability to let the person believe they are in control while altering whatever their original ideas were into what the user of tsukuyomi desires. The victim cannnot do anything about it and won't know they are under his genjutsu. This happened during Itachi's fight with Sasuke. From the moment he walked in to the moment Itachi took his eye until Sasuke broke it. Sasuke thought the entire situation was really happening to him. I rest my case. It wasn't a plot hole when Itachi said only a user of the Sharingan user of the same blood line can break it.... nobody else is going to break it U_U

Itachi wasn't aware of the concept of a biju teamed up with a jinchuriki. Also, if he did, he wouldn't have attempted genjutsu in the first place. There's a significant weakness to tsukyomi that no one on the base thinks about. It's an all or nothing jutsu. Because it lengthens the target's time perception, it cannot be used as a diversion before attacking physically since the genjutsu's over in a couple of seconds. It's not enough time to attack. Therefore, tsukyomi has to finish the target within its duration, or it becomes useless. Another weakness is the fact that it gives the target more time to break out of it than other genjutsu. This, yet again, means that there's no physical danger.


As I've explained in my post, Kurama can effect time perception as well. This means he can keep of with it. I've explained in another post that he's part of Naruto's deep subconscious. Naruto's not isolated. Kurama will detect the genjutsu and break Naruto out of it with the added time tsukyomi allows. It's actually less of a threat than standard genjutsu to perfect jinchuriki's.

 

[Champ]

Yes, it would rape him

 

[theacknowledgedone]

Itachi wasn't aware of the concept of a biju teamed up with a jinchuriki. Also, if he did, he wouldn't have attempted genjutsu in the first place. There's a significant weakness to tsukyomi that no one on the base thinks about. It's an all or nothing jutsu. Because it lengthens the target's time perception, it cannot be used as a diversion before attacking physically since the genjutsu's over in a couple of seconds. It's not enough time to attack. Therefore, tsukyomi has to finish the target within its duration, or it becomes useless. Another weakness is the fact that it gives the target more time to break out of it than other genjutsu. This, yet again, means that there's no physical danger.


As I've explained in my post, Kurama can effect time perception as well. This means he can keep of with it. I've explained in another post that he's part of Naruto's deep subconscious. Naruto's not isolated. Kurama will detect the genjutsu and break Naruto out of it with the added time tsukyomi allows. It's actually less of a threat than standard genjutsu to perfect jinchuriki's.

That might have been the dumbest thing I've ever read in my entire life. A supreme genjutsu is less of a threat than a standard genjutsu? STUPID. Explain this to me then....

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Naruto clearly knows about the bond Bee has with the eight tails and how he can break out of a basic "genjutsu". Naruto clearly states that Tsukuyomi would be the end of Bee. You cannot find a scan that disproves this. You're living in denial if you think that somewhere in their Bee would be able to break out of it. Yes this is allafter Naruto finds out about the bond Bee and the eight tails have and them being able to break a standard genjutsu.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

That might have been the dumbest thing I've ever read in my entire life. A supreme genjutsu is less of a threat than a standard genjutsu? STUPID. Explain this to me then....

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Naruto clearly knows about the bond Bee has with the eight tails and how he can break out of a basic "genjutsu". Naruto clearly states that Tsukuyomi would be the end of Bee. You cannot find a scan that disproves this. You're living in denial if you think that somewhere in their Bee would be able to break out of it. Yes this is allafter Naruto finds out about the bond Bee and the eight tails have and them being able to break a standard genjutsu.

"Every justsu has a weakness."-Itachi Uchiha

Show me a scan of B telling Naruto "I'm immune to genjutsu." You took none of my points into consideration and thought only inside the box and resorted to insults. How sad.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Problem with that is, Kurama's a part of Naruto's deep subconscious which is why he had to risk his life to talk to him for the first time. On top of this, he supposedly looses all consciousness when he goes 4 tails and beyond, yet he can have a conversation with Kurama when he went 8 tails.

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yes, but what i'm trying bring forth is that, as shown in the bee/hachibi scan, bee is a sleeping person to hachibi when he's under genjutsu. I don't know the mechanics of where the bijuu and host converse and where the bijuu sees the sleeping host during gen. It's just apparently 2 different planes. 1 alters time, the other is based on real world time.

 

[BlackFlame44]

yes, but what i'm trying bring forth is that, as shown in the bee/hachibi scan, bee is a sleeping person to hachibi when he's under genjutsu. I don't know the mechanics of where the bijuu and host converse and where the bijuu sees the sleeping host during gen. It's just apparently 2 different planes. 1 alters time, the other is based on real world time.

Since when is someone asleep during genjutsu? I'm sure nothing like that was stated in the manga

 

[theacknowledgedone]

Tsukuyomi weakness - user of the same bloodline can break it.

I'd debate your points if that made any sense. "Tsukuyomi is less effective than a basic genjutsu" lol that's not even a point, that's stupidity at its finest.

Fine I'll debate it,

Tsukuyomi last second(s) and I'm talking a few tops. It makes the target go under 72 hours of torture in that time. He controls time and space, what don't you understand about that? Kurama can't intervene if Itachi can make him think whatever he chooses to do. By the time Kurama reaches him its already over. Even if Kurama does get him out of it which will take more than a couple seconds by that time its already over.

Never said "immune to genjutsu" said he can "break out of a basic genjutsu" and tskuyomi is not a basic one at that.

K I debated all of your points and misreads now find me a scan that disproves why Naruto would say "bee if he gets you in tsukuyomi you're finished" That scan clearly states he would lose if he were caught in that. Don't reply unless you have a scan to back up your so called "facts"

 

[AGoodBoy]

Since when is someone asleep during genjutsu? I'm sure nothing like that was stated in the manga

i'm not saying they are. i'm saying that's how they seem to appear to the bijuu. Once again this scan will be posted. Look at hachibi as he taps bee. Bee is just there in the genjutsu fantasy on his own while hachibi tries to break him out.

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[KidGamer65]

Honestly, saying Perfect Jins can break Tsukuyomi is the same thing as saying Kurenai could have broken it when Kakashi got caught in it, and that's false.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Tsukuyomi weakness - user of the same bloodline can break it.

I'd debate your points if that made any sense. "Tsukuyomi is less effective than a basic genjutsu" lol that's not even a point, that's stupidity at its finest.

Fine I'll debate it,

Tsukuyomi last second(s) and I'm talking a few tops. It makes the target go under 72 hours of torture in that time. He controls time and space, what don't you understand about that? Kurama can't intervene if Itachi can make him think whatever he chooses to do. By the time Kurama reaches him its already over. Even if Kurama does get him out of it which will take more than a couple seconds by that time its already over.

Never said "immune to genjutsu" said he can "break out of a basic genjutsu" and tskuyomi is not a basic one at that.

K I debated all of your points and misreads now find me a scan that disproves why Naruto would say "bee if he gets you in tsukuyomi you're finished" That scan clearly states he would lose if he were caught in that. Don't reply unless you have a scan to back up your so called "facts"

You forgot my original post didn't you? That proved biju can effect time perception as well. This can enable him time to break Naruto out of it. Plus, he's part of Naruto's subconscious. If Naruto's mind's accelerated, so is he. I'm not bringing in scans that I've already shown. You twisted what I said. It's less of a threat, to a perfect jinchuriki. Sorry if your fave's primary jutsu not being invincible is to hard for you to wrap your head around. In general, it's better, but the jinchuriki are the wrong opponents to use if for.

You'll just say that what I'm saying is speculation, but saying tsukyomi would work is speculation. Or assuming Naruto knows about B's immunity without any scans showing he does is assuming as well.

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If we're going by speculation doesn't count, you better provide a scan clearly showing it works perfect jinchuriki.