Will the other toad summoners ever be revealed?

[Bubbles The Powerpuff Girl]

Juubi seeing the image of Rikudou in Naruto with the Rinnegan, it only means the Juubi like the Bijuus can see through their hosts/Jinchuurikis, not to mention that it is Kishimoto's way of artistic clarity that by depicting the Rikudou with his most prominent feature: The Rinnegan, us the readers would have clear understanding of the author's intent that the Juubi is actually seeing Rikudou in Naruto, and not some other ambiguous entity.



Well Rikudou thought otherwise:

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Stop it. It's still just a speculation. Just like saying Sasuke still has Sennin chakra.

 

[Booker]

Juubi seeing the image of Rikudou in Naruto with the Rinnegan, it only means the Juubi like the Bijuus can see through their hosts/Jinchuurikis, not to mention that it is Kishimoto's way of artistic clarity that by depicting the Rikudou with his most prominent feature: The Rinnegan, us the readers would have clear understanding of the author's intent that the Juubi is actually seeing Rikudou in Naruto, and not some other ambiguous entity.



Well Rikudou thought otherwise:

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(1) This is proven wrong by the fact that Madara was able to awaken the Rinnegan, meaning the Juubi is not needed.

(2) ...And obviously the Sage was wrong.

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(3) Still waiting. Elder and Younger implies they born not created.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Stop it. It's still just a speculation. Just like saying Sasuke still has Sennin chakra.

It is not speculation, it is a substantiated and definitive hypothesis.

(1) This is proven wrong by the fact that Madara was able to awaken the Rinnegan, meaning the Juubi is not needed.

The Sharingan and the Mokuton are powers coming from the Juubi, the Sharingan is the Yin and the Mokuton is the Yang, combine Yin and Yang and Madara awoke the Rinnegan.

Still waiting. Elder and Younger implies they born not created.

They were creations from the Juubi, the Elder and Younger is merely a designation, their powers are so evenly divided that it only necessitates intelligent design in doing that, meaning a creator.

 

[Booker]

It is not speculation, it is a substantiated and definitive hypothesis.



The Sharingan and the Mokuton are powers coming from the Juubi, the Sharingan is the Yin and the Mokuton is the Yang, combine Yin and Yang and Madara awoke the Rinnegan.

Your equation is lacking the Uzumaki aspect, which was so crucial to it before. Explain that.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Your equation is lacking the Uzumaki aspect, which was so crucial to it before. Explain that.

The Uzumaki bloodline is the human bloodline of Rikudou Sennin without the Juubi's empowerment. It is his human heritage before becoming the Juubi's Jinchuuriki, it is called Apotheosis.

 

[Booker]

The Uzumaki bloodline is the human bloodline of Rikudou Sennin without the Juubi's empowerment. It is his human heritage before becoming the Juubi's Jinchuuriki, it is called Apotheosis.

That makes no sense.

You stated the Sage created the Uchiha and Senju; hence they did not have Uzumaki genes inside of them. Now how on Earth could Madara have part of the Uzumaki in them, if at no point in time he was directly related to them?

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

That makes no sense.

You stated the Sage created the Uchiha and Senju; hence they did not have Uzumaki genes inside of them. Now how on Earth could Madara have part of the Uzumaki in them, if at no point in time he was directly related to them?

What I am saying is that the Rinnegan is divine (coming from Juubi) and the attributes than necessitates its awakening are the divine aspects (Uchiha and Senju) of the Rikudou, not the human.

The Uchihas and Senjus don't even have true consanguinity with each other because their creation is mystical, not biological. That's why one has to take the power of the other to awaken the Rinnegan.

 

[Booker]

What I am saying is that the Rinnegan is divine (coming from Juubi) and the attributes than necessitates its awakening are the divine aspects (Uchiha and Senju) of the Rikudou, not the human.

You still haven't answered the question or explained fully.

You said before, that Uzumaki + Juubi = Rinnegan, and that Juubi / 2 = Uchiha and Senju.

Now, Madara was able to awaken the Rinnegan, which as you before said, was Uzumaki + Juubi. Now, herein lies te problem. Madara has no Uzumaki traits nor genes within him, so how could he have awakened it,

 

[Gyakusetsu]

I thought this was a thread about Toad Summons.

We know that the Juubi saw the similarity of So6P and Naruto's eyes. So he has faced them before not as his Jin.

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We also know that the toads saw the Rinnegan in a negative light. Why would that be the case if they dealt with someone who had a contract that had them?

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[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

You still haven't answered the question or explained fully.

You said before, that Uzumaki + Juubi = Rinnegan, and that Juubi / 2 = Uchiha and Senju.

Now, Madara was able to awaken the Rinnegan, which as you before said, was Uzumaki + Juubi. Now, herein lies te problem. Madara has no Uzumaki traits nor genes within him, so how could he have awakened it,

The first part of the equation is not a homogenous mixture, the Uzumaki(Rikudou) + Juubi is only to imply the necessity of the Rikudou (who is originally Uzumaki) to divide the Juubi into its Yin (Uchiha) and Yang (Senju) with Banbutsu Sozo, the result of which is still purely the Juubi's Yin(Uchiha) and Yang (Senju) essence.

 

[Booker]

The first part of the equation is not a homogenous mixture, the Uzumaki(Rikudou) + Juubi is only to imply the necessity of the Rikudou (who is originally Uzumaki) to divide the Juubi into its Yin (Uchiha) and Yang (Senju) with Banbutsu Sozo, the result of which is still purely the Juubi's Yin(Uchiha) and Yang (Senju) essence.

Still wrong, because Madara (or Tobi, can't remember which. The effect is the same regardless) Said that Nagato had to be the host of the Rinnegan, otherwise it wouldn't have worked, meaning not just any average joe can be given the Rinnegan.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Still wrong, because Madara (or Tobi, can't remember which. The effect is the same regardless) Said that Nagato had to be the host of the Rinnegan, otherwise it wouldn't have worked, meaning not just any average joe can be given the Rinnegan.

He was given the Rinnegan because of his immense vitality and chakra reserves which come from his Uzumaki Heritage, Madara needed Nagato to revive him with Rinne Tensei Rebirth. The attributes of the Uzumakis are innate to them (without Juubi's empowerment) much like Rikudou prior to sealing the Juubi.

 

[Booker]

He was given the Rinnegan because of his immense vitality and chakra reserves which come from his Uzumaki Heritage, Madara needed Nagato to revive him with Rinne Tensei Rebirth. The attributes of the Uzumakis are innate to them (without Juubi's empowerment) much like Rikudou prior to sealing the Juubi.

Maybe I'm not understanding what you're getting at.

Are you suggesting that anyone + Senju/Uchiha = Rinnegan?

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Maybe I'm not understanding what you're getting at.

Are you suggesting that anyone + Senju/Uchiha = Rinnegan?

Nagato did not awaken the Rinnegan, Madara gave him the Rinnegan, he needed someone who had the capacity to use it effectively (having tremendous life force and Chakra) so that he (Nagato) could train over the years using it in order to one day use Rinne tensei to revive him.

 

[Booker]

Nagato did not awaken the Rinnegan, Madara gave him the Rinnegan, he needed someone who had the capacity to use it effectively (having tremendous life force and Chakra) so that he (Nagato) could train over the years using it in order to one day use Rinne tensei to revive him.

So Uzumaki DNA is not needed to awaken the Rinnegan?

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

So Uzumaki DNA is not needed to awaken the Rinnegan?

No, it is not. Only the Uchiha and Senju DNA is needed, because they are from the Juubi, much like the Rinnegan.

 

[Booker]

No, it is not. Only the Uchiha and Senju DNA is needed, because they are from the Juubi, much like the Rinnegan.

Fair enough.

So why didn't the Juubi have the Rinnegan?

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Fair enough.

So why didn't the Juubi have the Rinnegan?

The Rinnegan is the regulated Doujutsu of the Juubi's Yin-Yang Power, the Sharinnegan (which the Juubi has) is the unregulated power of the Juubi's Yin and Yang, think of it as KCM wherein the power is distilled, Rikudou upon sealing the Juubi inside himself, learned to harness that power without the Juubi "corrupting" or "influencing" him, hence the Rinnegan.

 

[Booker]

The Rinnegan is the regulated Doujutsu of the Juubi's Yin-Yang Power, the Sharinnegan (which the Juubi has) is the unregulated power of the Juubi's Yin and Yang, think of it as KCM wherein the power is distilled, Rikudou upon sealing the Juubi inside himself, learned to harness that power without the Juubi "corrupting" or "influencing" him, hence the Rinnegan.

Okay.

I just thought of this, if the Bijuu are made of the Juubi's chakra, why didn't Narto unlock any aspects of the Rinnegan?

Surely if the Senju+Uchiha have enough combined chakra of the Juubi to awaken the Rinnegan, the direct chakra of the Juubi would also have a similar effect?

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Okay.

I just thought of this, if the Bijuu are made of the Juubi's chakra, why didn't Narto unlock any aspects of the Rinnegan?

Surely if the Senju+Uchiha have enough combined chakra of the Juubi to awaken the Rinnegan, the direct chakra of the Juubi would also have a similar effect?

Because the Chakra is incomplete, Naruto is missing a large portion of the seven other Bijuus' chakra (not to mention Hachibi's and Kurama's other half) and Obito in turn is missing a large portion of Kurama and Gyuuki's chakra, Rikudou sealed the fully transformed Juubi inside himself and even then he had to train/meditate to regulate that power to awaken the Rinnegan.