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Hillary Clinton has a history of being a warhawk. So I doubt that killing people is beyond her, especially when she's calculating to get what she wants.


What's my bias? I dislike corruption and ingenuity and call out the politicians for it, including Bernie Sanders if he were such a person.


Back in 2008, I supported Hillary over Obama, but that was before I started getting into politics and found out how unscrupulous she was.


I've criticized Elizabeth Warren for supporting Clinton over Bernie and I constantly argue against Trump.


Hell, I've even made a thread just last week about Trump.


I could say the same thing about you; you're biased toward Hillary so that's where your own rhetoric tells you to point.


Everyone's biased to some degree, what matters is being able to manage that bias and still look at things from multiple perspectives. So I don't even want to hear that BS from you. That's just a straw-man argument.










The election was proven to be rigged, literally. The leaked DNC emails proved foul play and Election Justice U.S. did an investigation and concluded that Bernie lost 184 delegates because of it, which could have changed the tide of the election for him.


So I'm glad you don't care about those facts nor sympathize with Bernie supporters who were cheated and ridiculed by the establishment.


Race card? 37% of incarcerations were black people under Clinton and the U.S. had twice as many incarcerated than any other developed country at the time. GTFO. That is a fact and that is one of the biggest things the Clinton administration is criticized for.


You're denying fact by downplaying it. I never said blacks had it better before Clinton, but they still had it really really bad and the Clintons only added more to the problem of which we're still seeing the effects of it today.


Do you even understand what a surplus means? It's not always a good thing. A government surplus means that the government is taking in more money than it's investing....Public and private finances don't work the same way.


People think debt=bad and surplus=good. That's not always the case, the economy isn't a simple black and white palette. Just like with everything there needs to be a balance and too much of something is never good. Having tax money lying around is not a popular way to do things in government because it is someone else's money the government is sitting on.


Creating jobs is not the end all be all. Just because jobs exist does not mean the economy is booming. Jobs can exist while also paying low wages, which is exactly what happened during Bill's presidency as I previously mentioned.


Your last two points are wholly untrue.


Bill Clinton didn't do anything to really help the economy, he just added more to the bubble which later burst. That's exactly how economic crashes happen. It's an illusion of prosperity. Bill Clinton may not have been the sole cause of both of the crashes, but he was a big player in it.


Again I'll post my source since you've obviously not bothered with it.











[video=youtube;r7nAwQpIQ6M]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7nAwQpIQ6M[/video]




You didn't argue facts dude....which is why I'm fact-checking you.


So by your logic we should not hold Clinton accountable for anything just because she's running against Trump? Trump is currently in the process of self-imploding as it is.


You're using the "Trump" card to distract from Hillary's own corrupt activities instead of acknowledging them just like with any other politician.

nothing you said proved anything i said wrong, he was a good president. you need more research if you think he wasnt a good president it's not even something im gonna waste anymore time explaining over and over for you to argue for arguements sake

How are you giving credit to Clinton for the economy when it was a Republican controlled house and senate?
well the president is essentially the poster child for the government of the time so..but technically youre correct and he doesnt get sole credit
 
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nothing you said proved anything i said wrong, he was a good president. you need more research if you think he wasnt a good president it's not even something im gonna waste anymore time explaining over and over for you to argue for arguements sake
You obviously didn't read my comment at all....

You got fact-checked and you have nothing left to say.

So no, you should just not bullshit me instead of trying to twist this into suggesting that you have an actual argument that refutes the facts that I've presented but unwilling to share it.
 
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You obviously didn't read my comment at all....

You got fact-checked and you have nothing left to say.

So no, you should just not bullshit me instead of trying to twist this into suggesting that you have an actual argument that refutes the facts that I've presented but unwilling to share it.
lol get over yourself, you didnt fact check shit. i know my shit, i can explain myself without posting links. posting a link or a useless video on political discussion doesnt make you right, there are tons of arguments and links you can pull to debate almost any side in politics. because tha t a main thing in politics, arguing/debate

like i said, im not gonna keep explaining myself over and over. you say shit like the Clintons added to black problems, which is idioiotic. you act like Clinton created a bill to incarcerate blacks, when actually he was the one who pointed out there was a unfair agenda, you wouldnt know anything if Clinton didnt say it. everyone payed more taxes because the economy needed extra revenue and the when left office the economy was stabilizing because of it. you also downplay my other points like how during his administration he brought umeployment to its lowest in years.

those among other points youre stupidly arguing like having $127 billion surplus net is bad thing compared to the $290 billion in debt we had in a Wikileaks murder thread. so dont confuse me not wasting time and you winning something, youre just lying to yourself
 

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lol get over yourself, you didnt fact check shit. i know my shit, i can explain myself without posting links. posting a link or a useless video on political discussion doesnt make you right, there are tons of arguments and links you can pull to debate almost any side in politics. because tha t a main thing in politics, arguing/debate

like i said, im not gonna keep explaining myself over and over. you say shit like the Clintons added to black problems, which is idioiotic. you act like Clinton created a bill to incarcerate blacks, when actually he was the one who pointed out there was a unfair agenda, you wouldnt know anything if Clinton didnt say it. everyone payed more taxes because the economy needed extra revenue and the when left office the economy was stabilizing because of it. you also downplay my other points like how during his administration he brought umeployment to its lowest in years.

those among other points youre stupidly arguing like having $127 billion surplus net is bad thing compared to the $290 billion in debt we had in a Wikileaks murder thread. so dont confuse me not wasting time and you winning something, youre just lying to yourself
You're defending something that you don't even understand the nuances of. "Economy=good because surplus and jobs.....hurdur."

I explained my points and provided sources in my last two comments and I'm going to be repeating this shit a third time because you just don't care about the truth.

The economy is not a straight line. It is not a simple deduction. If you think it is, then you're a flat out idiot. That's why there are terms such as "Trickle-Down Economics" which is basically what you're praising.

You completely neglected what I said about the surplus and just went to default dumbass mode. I literally explained that public and private finance don't work the same.

Public finances is fueled around debt and spending. The surplus the government had was the taxpayers money which they weren't investing, but simply hoarding it. Then you have the government increase taxes and not grant higher wages to keep up with inflation....

Let me reiterate. The surplus is taxpayers money.....do you not understand what that means?

And then the market crashes twice within a few years of each other. Why did the economy crash in 2000 under Bill's administration if it were such a golden age as you claim? And why did the market crash again in 2008? Are you saying Bill's presidency had no effect whatsoever on this? It's absurd to even suggest that.


OMG, did you even read my comment? I explained that one of the reasons unemployment rates were down was due to mass incarceration and secondly, having jobs doesn't make it a great economy, especially since it collapsed.

Yes, the general poverty levels went down. That was the only benefit and I'll give him credit for at least that, but his policies also didn't increase the median household's earnings but instead decreased it.

The wages paid were lower than what they should have been in order to keep up with inflation.

ALSO EXTREME POVERTY DOUBLED UNDER HIS ADMINISTRATION DUE TO HIS WELFARE ACT!!!



So you think posting a source is irrelevant and we should just take you on your word? By your logic, what you say can be completely wrong because you might have gotten your own information from shitty sources, which is pretty evident.

Dude wow. Saying Bill Clinton's crime act didn't hurt black people is just as stupid as saying that 2+2 does not equal 4.

It is a fact, a literal undeniable fact. Numbers, statistics, you name it all show this. I can't help it if you're simply denying it just because your refuse to believe it.

And then you have the nerve to tell me that Bill Clinton pointed out that there was an agenda. Ok? So what did he do about it? Absolutely nothing.

He built more prisons than schools and colleges, and under his administration there were more incarcerated than any other president in history!

He still defends the Crime Act even today, like it was a freaking prodigy of his. So again, you don't know shit.

 
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lol im not gonna read that, which is most likely you repeating the same crap. if i learned anything from the NDS its that trying to discuss anything with someone who already has a strong biases, as you do, as you've shown throught NB is pointless

maybe next time out of the billions of people in the world its not so hard to believe it might be someone else than the single family you blame everything for? lmao but keep wasting your time responding if you want, not reading, no responding, and no one cares
 

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lol im not gonna read that, which is most likely you repeating the same crap. if i learned anything from the NDS its that trying to discuss anything with someone who already has a strong biases, as you do, as you've shown throught NB is pointless

maybe next time out of the billions of people in the world its not so hard to believe it might be someone else than the single family you blame everything for? lmao but keep wasting your time responding if you want, not reading, no responding, and no one cares
No, I just countered your points and provided data that validated what I've said. The only person here with strong bias is you.

What a way to twist what I've said! I don't blame the Clintons for everything, I simply hold them accountable for their misdeeds and point out their flaws.

But apparently, if it's not about Trump, then I am immediately attacked as someone who just crusades against the Clintons. No, they have a lot of skeletons in the closet and that is the reality and considering that it's a pretty high chance of Hillary becoming the president, I believe people should be aware of their ugly side.

The notion that Bill's presidency was some utopia like you try to suggest is just ludicrous, especially when there was so much wrong. Was he the worst president or among the worst? Certainly not. But he was quite below mediocre.

And yes, his policies did hurt many people and was one of the big reasons which lead to both the crash in 2000 and 2008.

So again, you need just do some thorough research and back your data up before trying to dismiss my points with the claim that I am wrong, even though I've provided facts through verified sources.

All you did with was just dismiss what I said with nothing of substance.

If you didn't want to debate and if you really didn't care then you shouldn't have kept responding with half-assed points and then make the excuse that you know what you're talking about.

Don't start what you can't finish kid.
 
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