Why Zetsu is essential to Tobi's abilities...!!

[NarutoDKurosaki]

Well, it would need to atleast be half of his head. Guess we'll find out.

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Heads up man! This actually would rather make sense. History very well may be rewritten in Narutoverse!

What is this link to? It didn't work for me.

 

[Vexorian]

Oh, you're right. It is no longer working. Kishimoto apparently revealed Tobi's identity to be Izuna.

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[XxOUTZxX]

i think tobi can s/t to certain people cuzz of the white spores that white zetsu leaves on them

 

[NarutoDKurosaki]

Oh, you're right. It is no longer working. Kishimoto apparently revealed Tobi's identity to be Izuna.

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Yeah i saw that. I'd be really satisfied with izuna, it has always made the most sense to me, and the age would fit. I hope it real IMO. But with a little more shock factor added to it.

i think tobi can s/t to certain people cuzz of the white spores that white zetsu leaves on them

I think thats basically what i said genius -_-

 

[Stark]

Why Zetsu is essential to Tobi's powers, and more...

Hey folks, its NDK here to explain my theory on the connection between Zetsu, and Tobi's power.

Ok so first off, lets review what we know about Zetsu. First off, Zetsu is a capable user of the Mayfly technique.

Spoiler

The Mayfly technique is a jutsu which allows him to merge his body with the ground and flora and travel at very high speeds.His insectivorous plant-like shell has the ability to merge with the ground, because it is tinged with his chakra. Then, using the underground network of organic matter, consisting of things like plant roots and water veins, he can travel everywhere with high speed. Using this technique he can conceal himself in trees and even sand. Once merged, his presence is completely concealed, making it almost impossible to detect him, even by sensory type ninja like Karin. This makes this technique perfect for close range spying.

Secondly:

Spoiler

Zetsu has also been shown to be quite the spy, in conjunction with the Mayfly Technique. He also has the ability to record things he sees, and show them to Tobi through unknown means. White Zetsu also is able to plant spores upon others. These spores are undetectable because they do not contain others.

Now, lets review Tobi.

Spoiler

Tobi has advanced S/T jutsu. He is able to become intangible for up to five minutes to avoid damage. He cannot remain intangible and do make physical contact with others, kind of like a ghost. He can warp to a different dimension, and suck up others into that dimension too. He must solidify people to trap them in tat dimension. He can make whatever he's touching intangible also. Tobi also shows the ability to travel long distances within relatively short time-spans. While he is usually seen using this ability on himself, avoiding attacks rather than relying on his imperviousness, he can teleport anyone. When he teleports Karin and Sasuke, he sends them to what is a separate dimension. They are forced to stay there until he chooses to release them. The chakra signatures of those that have been teleported completely vanish. His right eye appears to be the basis for this transportation. The long travel distance is the most intriguing part...

Now, it's finally time to start explaining what you all have been waiting for, keeping these abilities listed in mind.

Spoiler

First, PLEASE READ THIS!

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. Now that you have read this, pay attention to the last part of the second spoiler. This intrigued me the most, it said, " I forgot to say this very important hint about Madara's teleportation. According to the reliable source, Zetzu is the main key for his Time/Space Jutsu. Just like Minato, Madara needs something to guide him of his exit/entrance. In other word, the way Madara knows where to find and appears to someone is through Zetzu. This information will soon be revealed." Now keep in mind this was made awhile ago, so Tobi was still "Madara."

Keeping all of this in mind...

Spoiler

Now, after all of this, I started to think, what if Zetsu really is the key to Tobi's long distance travel! First, we do not know how old Zetsu is, or how long he has been active, or even what he is, but on thing we do know, is that he has been present at most major battles, and recorded the for Tobi. He does not have to be physically visible, as he can merge into the environment with the mayfly technique, as black zetsu has shown, this will be explained later so read on... Next, Tobi mysteriously transports to any one or anywhere, even Sasuke commented on this saying something to the point of, "how did you know where to find me" or something like that (LOL.) The question for this part is, HOW DOES HE TRANSPORT TO RENDOM PEOPLE AT ANYTIME?! Read on to the next spoiler for the answer for part one of the BS theory (lol.)

Now, let the answers roll in!...

Spoiler

Now, we know key things
1. Zetsus Mayfly Tech.
2. Zetsus Spore tech.
3. Tobi's S/t tech.
4. Tobi's long distance traveling.

Now let the info come together, as stated earlier in the post from a "reliable source", it says Zetsu is key for the S/T technique, like Minato's kunai. We know that the sources english is a little shady so somethings might have not been translated as good. I also am aware that not all these things or confirmed or valid, like a lot of crap on NB (LOL.) So, listen up, what if, for the long distance traveling, Tob needed zetsu to place his spores on a certain object or person. Example: Zetsu is always near sasuke, when zetsu warned Tobi that Sasuke was in trouble (when team 7 re-united of the danzo fight) Tobi immediately warped there. I am not going to get into why he would need this because I don't have enough info, but, it makes sense. One can not simply, teleport to what every person he chooses or whatever location. It's like a bridge, Tobi is one end, and zetsu, or his spores are the other. This would also explain how Tobi saved Sasuke at the 5 Kage summit

Woah, your eyes must be HUR-TIN lol. But we're almost done here. Now part two of their connection, read on...​

Spoiler

We have seen how Tobi uses a substance similar to Zetsu to recover limbs, and he also bleeds this substance:

Spoiler

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Now, lets continue. Next, we know that Zetsu can share his "recordings" with Tobi. We also know that Tobi uses a Zetsu like substance for his body.To answer the recording part, we have two possibilities:
1.

Spoiler

Tobi, somehow, is the original Zetsu, through unkown means, maybe experiment, we don't know. Somehow, zetsu and Tobi can share information and memories, by molding their slime, using roots to share information (like before in the war) or somehow with the giant plant like thing in the picture earlier of Tobi replacing a limb.

2.

Spoiler

We don't know (LOL)

Conclusion:

Spoiler

1. Tobi can only use his Long-distance traveling ability, if he has a point B, or a receiver for him to go to, in other words, Zetsu spores or Zetsu himself.

Spoiler

2. Tobi is related to Zetsu, either an original prototype, or something else(not enough info to elaborate on.) Because they are related or Tobi is the original, Tobi can replace his limbs with the "Zetsu slime" and share information. Zetsu can show his recording by either
A. Molding his and Tobi's "Slime"
B. The roots
C. The giant venus fly trap like thing that Tobi was by when he was replacing a limb (see above for link.)
*ALSO* since Zetsu shares his recordings with Tobi, this would explain Tobi's near omniscience.

Thanks for reading guys! No hate or flaming please, just an idea i came up with in five minutes. Have a nice day on this wonderful community everyone! ​

Good info +rep

 

[NarutoDKurosaki]

Good info +rep

Thanks Man!

 

[Vexorian]

Well, I'm pissed off. **** Kishi ("\(;,,/")

 

[NarutoDKurosaki]

Well, I'm pissed off. **** Kishi ("\(;,,/")

OMFGFGFGFGGFFGG! I CAN'T BELIEVE HE'S OBITO! Do you know many we told you so threads we're going to see!

 

[Vexorian]

I was hoping that he'd turn out to be a decent manga writer, I was wrong. He took the generic plot twist rather than doing something unexpected.

 

[ZetsuObito]

Why Zetsu is essential to Tobi's powers, and more...

Hey folks, its NDK here to explain my theory on the connection between Zetsu, and Tobi's power.

Ok so first off, lets review what we know about Zetsu. First off, Zetsu is a capable user of the Mayfly technique.

Spoiler

The Mayfly technique is a jutsu which allows him to merge his body with the ground and flora and travel at very high speeds.His insectivorous plant-like shell has the ability to merge with the ground, because it is tinged with his chakra. Then, using the underground network of organic matter, consisting of things like plant roots and water veins, he can travel everywhere with high speed. Using this technique he can conceal himself in trees and even sand. Once merged, his presence is completely concealed, making it almost impossible to detect him, even by sensory type ninja like Karin. This makes this technique perfect for close range spying.

Secondly:

Spoiler

Zetsu has also been shown to be quite the spy, in conjunction with the Mayfly Technique. He also has the ability to record things he sees, and show them to Tobi through unknown means. White Zetsu also is able to plant spores upon others. These spores are undetectable because they do not contain others.

Now, lets review Tobi.

Spoiler

Tobi has advanced S/T jutsu. He is able to become intangible for up to five minutes to avoid damage. He cannot remain intangible and do make physical contact with others, kind of like a ghost. He can warp to a different dimension, and suck up others into that dimension too. He must solidify people to trap them in tat dimension. He can make whatever he's touching intangible also. Tobi also shows the ability to travel long distances within relatively short time-spans. While he is usually seen using this ability on himself, avoiding attacks rather than relying on his imperviousness, he can teleport anyone. When he teleports Karin and Sasuke, he sends them to what is a separate dimension. They are forced to stay there until he chooses to release them. The chakra signatures of those that have been teleported completely vanish. His right eye appears to be the basis for this transportation. The long travel distance is the most intriguing part...

Now, it's finally time to start explaining what you all have been waiting for, keeping these abilities listed in mind.

Spoiler

First, PLEASE READ THIS!

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. Now that you have read this, pay attention to the last part of the second spoiler. This intrigued me the most, it said, " I forgot to say this very important hint about Madara's teleportation. According to the reliable source, Zetzu is the main key for his Time/Space Jutsu. Just like Minato, Madara needs something to guide him of his exit/entrance. In other word, the way Madara knows where to find and appears to someone is through Zetzu. This information will soon be revealed." Now keep in mind this was made awhile ago, so Tobi was still "Madara."

Keeping all of this in mind...

Spoiler

Now, after all of this, I started to think, what if Zetsu really is the key to Tobi's long distance travel! First, we do not know how old Zetsu is, or how long he has been active, or even what he is, but on thing we do know, is that he has been present at most major battles, and recorded the for Tobi. He does not have to be physically visible, as he can merge into the environment with the mayfly technique, as black zetsu has shown, this will be explained later so read on... Next, Tobi mysteriously transports to any one or anywhere, even Sasuke commented on this saying something to the point of, "how did you know where to find me" or something like that (LOL.) The question for this part is, HOW DOES HE TRANSPORT TO RENDOM PEOPLE AT ANYTIME?! Read on to the next spoiler for the answer for part one of the BS theory (lol.)

Now, let the answers roll in!...

Spoiler

Now, we know key things
1. Zetsus Mayfly Tech.
2. Zetsus Spore tech.
3. Tobi's S/t tech.
4. Tobi's long distance traveling.

Now let the info come together, as stated earlier in the post from a "reliable source", it says Zetsu is key for the S/T technique, like Minato's kunai. We know that the sources english is a little shady so somethings might have not been translated as good. I also am aware that not all these things or confirmed or valid, like a lot of crap on NB (LOL.) So, listen up, what if, for the long distance traveling, Tob needed zetsu to place his spores on a certain object or person. Example: Zetsu is always near sasuke, when zetsu warned Tobi that Sasuke was in trouble (when team 7 re-united of the danzo fight) Tobi immediately warped there. I am not going to get into why he would need this because I don't have enough info, but, it makes sense. One can not simply, teleport to what every person he chooses or whatever location. It's like a bridge, Tobi is one end, and zetsu, or his spores are the other. This would also explain how Tobi saved Sasuke at the 5 Kage summit

Woah, your eyes must be HUR-TIN lol. But we're almost done here. Now part two of their connection, read on...​

Spoiler

We have seen how Tobi uses a substance similar to Zetsu to recover limbs, and he also bleeds this substance:

Spoiler

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Spoiler

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Now, lets continue. Next, we know that Zetsu can share his "recordings" with Tobi. We also know that Tobi uses a Zetsu like substance for his body.To answer the recording part, we have two possibilities:
1.

Spoiler

Tobi, somehow, is the original Zetsu, through unkown means, maybe experiment, we don't know. Somehow, zetsu and Tobi can share information and memories, by molding their slime, using roots to share information (like before in the war) or somehow with the giant plant like thing in the picture earlier of Tobi replacing a limb.

2.

Spoiler

We don't know (LOL)

Conclusion:

Spoiler

1. Tobi can only use his Long-distance traveling ability, if he has a point B, or a receiver for him to go to, in other words, Zetsu spores or Zetsu himself.

Spoiler

2. Tobi is related to Zetsu, either an original prototype, or something else(not enough info to elaborate on.) Because they are related or Tobi is the original, Tobi can replace his limbs with the "Zetsu slime" and share information. Zetsu can show his recording by either
A. Molding his and Tobi's "Slime"
B. The roots
C. The giant venus fly trap like thing that Tobi was by when he was replacing a limb (see above for link.)
*ALSO* since Zetsu shares his recordings with Tobi, this would explain Tobi's near omniscience.

Thanks for reading guys! No hate or flaming please, just an idea i came up with in five minutes. Have a nice day on this wonderful community everyone! ​

Good Theory - Read It All!
I disagree on your views, I believe Obito's teleportation ability is all caused by his Kamui and the transparent ability is caused by a combination of White Zetsu and his ability. The transparent ability is still a little wierd and how he uses it, oh well guess we have to wait until next week :shrug: . Still cant believe Obito helped Itachi slaughter the Uchiha and he fought his Senpai AKA Fourth Hokage :flaw:. WHERE WAS KAKASHI THIS WHOLE TIME (lol) :sy:

PS. Tobi is half Obito and half Zetsu. (Only half tobi's body is Zetsu, Tobi has White Zetsu in him and I believe the Black Zetsu was created by Tobi and Madara's hate.) U_U

 

[NarutoDKurosaki]

I was hoping that he'd turn out to be a decent manga writer, I was wrong. He took the generic plot twist rather than doing something unexpected.

Ik, i have completely lost interest in Tobi, read this though

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A really cool prediction thread that i liked!

Good Theory - Read It All!
I disagree on your views, I believe Obito's teleportation ability is all caused by his Kamui and the transparent ability is caused by a combination of White Zetsu and his ability. The transparent ability is still a little wierd and how he uses it, oh well guess we have to wait until next week :shrug: . Still cant believe Obito helped Itachi slaughter the Uchiha and he fought his Senpai AKA Fourth Hokage :flaw:. WHERE WAS KAKASHI THIS WHOLE TIME (lol) :sy:

PS. Tobi is half Obito and half Zetsu. (Only half tobi's body is Zetsu, Tobi has White Zetsu in him and I believe the Black Zetsu was created by Tobi and Madara's hate.) U_U

I'm sorry i think you don't understand. I tried to make a point that, zetsu acts as a point B for Obito to travel to. He can't just simply know where to travel too. Like when Sasuke questions how he found him, you can't just simply know where someone is and teleport there. I'm saying since Obito is part zetsu, zetsu is where Obito teleports to. I think you can find many incidents where tobi teleports right where Zetsu is. Even if you can't see him (probably because of the mayfly technique or Obito is just teleporting to spores)

 

[Negative Knight]

I'm sorry i think you don't understand. I tried to make a point that, zetsu acts as a point B for Obito to travel to. He can't just simply know where to travel too. Like when Sasuke questions how he found him, you can't just simply know where someone is and teleport there. I'm saying since Obito is part zetsu, zetsu is where Obito teleports to. I think you can find many incidents where tobi teleports right where Zetsu is. Even if you can't see him (probably because of the mayfly technique or Obito is just teleporting to spores)

That's an interesting theory, which parallels Minato's Flying Thunder God Tagging technique. However now that White Zetsu is dead, what is to become of Tobi's instant transportation ?

However your claim is greatly supported in the manga when Sasuke kills Itachi and Zetsu reports the news to Tobi. Zetsu then leaves with his Mayfly Technique and Tobi transports away shortly afterwards.

 

[NarutoDKurosaki]

That's an interesting theory, which parallels Minato's Flying Thunder God Tagging technique. However now that White Zetsu is dead, what is to become of Tobi's instant transportation ?

However your claim is greatly supported in the manga when Sasuke kills Itachi and Zetsu reports the news to Tobi. Zetsu then leaves with his Mayfly Technique and Tobi transports away shortly afterwards.

Thank you! Hmmmm, if the original white one is dead, then he might not be able to do it anymore. But what about the thousand other white zetsus, but that would make him to OP. To be honest, i'm not really sure about that part! Your idea on that?

 

[Negative Knight]

Thank you! Hmmmm, if the original white one is dead, then he might not be able to do it anymore. But what about the thousand other white zetsus, but that would make him to OP. To be honest, i'm not really sure about that part! Your idea on that?

To be honest only the original white Zetsu had shown the use of spores otherwise would of seen at least one of them use the spores. They might be able to but i highly doubt it. Most likely Tobi will have to stick to using all the ones Zetsu placed before he was killed (still hate Sasuke for it xd).

 

[NarutoDKurosaki]

To be honest only the original white Zetsu had shown the use of spores otherwise would of seen at least one of them use the spores. They might be able to but i highly doubt it. Most likely Tobi will have to stick to using all the ones Zetsu placed before he was killed (still hate Sasuke for it xd).

HAHAHAHA. I wonder if the clones are just to stupid to know their own abilities. I'm sure there are spores all over the place though. But at this point I highly doubt Kishi will go this in depth about his long distance traveling. How do you feel about tobi being obito?

 

[Negative Knight]

HAHAHAHA. I wonder if the clones are just to stupid to know their own abilities. I'm sure there are spores all over the place though. But at this point I highly doubt Kishi will go this in depth about his long distance traveling. How do you feel about tobi being obito?

Honestly. Tobi being Obito is kind of a let down as i had such a solid theory on it being Kagami Uchiha (Obito's Dad, Izuna's Son, Shisui's Father) but i won't judge yet and will let Kishi explain himself in chapter 600. Either this will be a genius move like no other or a complete failure. I Believe Kishi will be able to pull it off.

How about you ?

 

[NarutoDKurosaki]

Honestly. Tobi being Obito is kind of a let down as i had such a solid theory on it being Kagami Uchiha (Obito's Dad, Izuna's Son, Shisui's Father) but i won't judge yet and will let Kishi explain himself in chapter 600. Either this will be a genius move like no other or a complete failure. I Believe Kishi will be able to pull it off.

How about you ?

Obito was a let down. 4 years for the most completely obvious answer. Honestly, I really wanted Izuna Uchiha to be involved in it. We didn't know enough about Kagami so i never stuck with that. Like for some reason, i don't like Tobi anymore and i feel like he's less powerful being Obito. The only way Obito would make sense is if he had a time machine...What is he could travel through a certain amount of time but once only many years, like 30 or something.

 

[Vexorian]

Well, I've been giving it thought. People(Including myself), when Obito was revealed to be Tobi, were like...."WTF, HOW DID HE SURVIVE!?!"....My theory is that he didn't. Uchiha Madara would have had the Rinnegan at such a point....Which is where the next part of my theory comes into motion.

Assuming that Obito did die, Madara would have needed to use Rinne Tensei to revive him. But, this is what it all hinges on, but here's my thoughts on it. From what I can see(without reading the actual jutsu description in the databook) Rinne Tensei simply puts the soul back into the body. But, with this in mind, it's easily feasible that Madara would(or could, depending) put a different soul into Obito's body.

On a completely separate note, this has been bugging me for a week or so now. Taka joined the Akatsuki to hunt Killer Bee, but before they had been given their assignment, Suigetsu tried to start a fight with Kisame. Tobi blocked Zabuza's sword with his hand. Does this mean that Tobi can change the makeup of his own body(or rather, swap it out with anything that he has in his other dimension, AKA the massive shuriken and the chakra rods he was tossing all over the place recently?)

 

[NarutoDKurosaki]

Well, I've been giving it thought. People(Including myself), when Obito was revealed to be Tobi, were like...."WTF, HOW DID HE SURVIVE!?!"....My theory is that he didn't. Uchiha Madara would have had the Rinnegan at such a point....Which is where the next part of my theory comes into motion.

Assuming that Obito did die, Madara would have needed to use Rinne Tensei to revive him. But, this is what it all hinges on, but here's my thoughts on it. From what I can see(without reading the actual jutsu description in the databook) Rinne Tensei simply puts the soul back into the body. But, with this in mind, it's easily feasible that Madara would(or could, depending) put a different soul into Obito's body.

On a completely separate note, this has been bugging me for a week or so now. Taka joined the Akatsuki to hunt Killer Bee, but before they had been given their assignment, Suigetsu tried to start a fight with Kisame. Tobi blocked Zabuza's sword with his hand. Does this mean that Tobi can change the makeup of his own body(or rather, swap it out with anything that he has in his other dimension, AKA the massive shuriken and the chakra rods he was tossing all over the place recently?)

Amazing theory never thought of that. Your theory is supported further by this.

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. Obito says, "It doesn't matter whether *I* survived or not." Implying that he might have actually died.

 

[Vexorian]

I didn't even remember he said that. It's been bugging me for awhile. I have something that may or may not support the claim, as well. When KM Naruto/Obito smacked heads to open their fight, Obito sent him flying. I don't believe that the mask itself could deal that kind of punishment to Naruto. I believe he changed the material of the mask itself. I'm interested.