Why would Hashirama?

[The Hidden Shinobi]

:| If anyone thinks that was hashirama at full power I think they need to change manga. That's like saying hashi has 4 feats :| people these days..

 

[Makoto]

Let me guess. The Mokuton Kage Bunshin, which only the Mangekyō can see through, was left unused simply for the lulz?

Maybe he didn't because he didn't expect Hiruzen to capture him while being under Bringer of Darkness? We don't know why he didn't, but we can certainly speculate possible reasons.

It seems i am constantly beeing put in a place to show the ridiculiousness of some of the hashirama supporters. I have found another "statement" they like to make that proves that they couldnt possibly be using reason.

Now it seems that many wish to argue that Edo Hashirama wasnt at full power, because he didnt use Flowering tree world, Wood dragon, or his Advanced Medical Jutsu.

Now this made me laugh for obvious reasons.. Its simply not a smart thing to say. Let me explain why these techniques were possibly not shown.



1. Flowering tree world

Seriously...

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Why would hashirama use a technique that would put not only hiruzen to sleep, but also tobirama and orochimaru. Orochimaru and tobirama would not be able to escape from the pollen seeing that they were locked in a remote area. Ultimately orochimaru would be knocked unconcious and hashirama would just sit there waiting becuase the person controlling him is out cold.. This would suggest that using this techinque would not be smart on hashirama's part.





2. Wood dragon

I find it funny that people actually wanted to see wood dragon be used against hiruzen. A dragon made of would who's main purpose is to absorb bijuu chakra.

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It really makes so much since for hashirama to summon it seeing that hiruzen is a jinchurikri (sarcasm). I mean im sure you may feel that hiruzen is as powerful as a bijuu, but in all reality he is not a bijuu. Once again there is no reason for that technique to be used at all.




3. Medical Ninjutsu

This shows the true ignorance on the base. Some of you guys wanted to see a Edo Hashirama use medical ninjutsu. Im so confused as to what he was gonna heal.lol The man automatically regenerates and has unlimited chakra. The fact that would instantly make us all reconsider his intelligence levels.

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And for all those who say kabuto perfected edo tensei, I want you to read something very carefully.

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Kabuto says very clearly that Orochimaru perfected Edo Tensei. Kabuto did not perfect it so please stop trying to creat your on facts. If anything kabuto truely weakened the technique.

Kabuto is not even strong enought to completly master Edo tension. He also states in the manga that he needs more of orochimaru's chakra in order to increase his binding power of edo tension.

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And once he does absorb anko's oro chakra he states that his binding power becomes more powerful. And gives credit to orochimaru for having such magnificent chakra.

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So ultimately kabuto wanted more control over the edo's; his chakra was just not strong enough to bind them all.
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But anyway thats all i have to say on that as well..

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I would give you another rep, but I just gave you one yesterday. I love your threads, keep it up. They're not even stating who is stronger or anything, but rather using logic to explain why Hashirama fanboys are wrong. Now, don't get me wrong, Hashirama fanboys are different than Hashirama's true fans who admire him because of maybe his desire to protect his village. Hashirama fanboys, like every other character fanboys, put a bad image on the character.

Orochimaru was toying with the Hiruzen, that's why people say they weren't at full power, though saying they weren't at full power is the wrong way to say it.

So the Edo Kages didn't go all out on Hiruzen, if they had, he would have lost.

I would disagree, but we each have our own opinions. =)

I disagree because even if Orochimaru didn't bind them, they would still fight Hiruzen with their full strength. Tobirama had time to cancel the technique but didn't and even Hashirama stated that because they were summoned, they had to fight Hiruzen. They wouldn't have gone easy on him, why would they? They would probably rather test if he's capable of protecting Konoha as the Sandaime Hokage. In addition, Hiruzen already knows all Konoha jutsu and knows the jutsu of both Hashirama and Tobirama so he can devise an appropriate counter. However, Hiruzen had a handicap, it was 3 vs 1 and he was fighting his former masters who were robbed of their will. Given his old age, that also put a burden on him.

Still, Hiruzen beating Hashirama and Tobirama doesn't make either Senju weak. It just gives credibility to Hiruzen's hype as God of Shinobi when he was younger. I personally believe Hashirama and Tobirama would've been disappointed if Hiruzen was weaker than each individually. They didn't train him to be a weak Hokage, they wanted him to be a powerful Hokage who was able to protect Konoha against whoever attacked it.

Anyway, that's just how I see it.

where were the mokuton clones? where was the sprouting mokuton from the body? the size of an individual mokuton tree from hashirama in part 2 makes part 1 hashiramas mokuton look like a joke.

it seems like you left out A lot of things intentionally which makes you look like you arent serious and are really trying to troll with half-assed arguments.

Before posting something stupid, I suggest you take some time to think about it, but I suppose it's too late. Hashirama's Mokuton couldn't have been made to be as vast as Konoha itself because they were WITHIN A BARRIER. There was a limit to how big Hashirama could make his Mokuton. So don't think Hashirama's Mokuton was weaker, it wasn't.

I think I'm one of the few that believe Kishi had already planned making Madara one of the main villains, thus Hashirama his rival. It wouldn't have been fit for Hashirama to display all those heavy techs regardless. Some of those would have revealed a little too much. Members on here are wrong when they say "If he did" Hiruzen would have lost, no he wouldn't have. If we are truthful with ourselves, we know Kishi would have given some crazy powers to Hiruzen to counter those OP techs of Hashirama for the story's sake. That's why defeating both Hashirama and Tobirama is still a great feat despite the suicide.

Well it seems you have made up your mind.lol I will respect your decision.



Wow, thats one of the most intelligent things i have heard on this base in a while.. You my friend get more rep.

Agreed with MickNerks, but I can't give out a rep because I just gave out one yesterday. I'll give you one as soon as I can though.

orochimaru made them go back to their true form
but hashi didn't use mokuton clones

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as you can clearly see here, a mokuton tree trunk and branch is only as big as a normal tree trunk and branch and is close to the width of a normal person:

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now look at the size of the tree right behind hashirama and say with a straight face that part 1 hashiramas mokuton=part 2 hashiramas mokuton:

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Hashirama's Mokuton is the same in part 1 and part 2. You're forgetting they were in a barrier, so there was a set limit how big Hashirama could make his Mokuton to begin with. Hashirama can easily make his Mokuton as big as Konoha as you can clearly see it in part 1 even before seeing Hashirama's Mokuton. We already know from Part 2 that Hashirama used his own Mokuton to create Konoha.