Why were the pain puppets caught in Jiraiya's sound genjutsu?

[MightGai]

Ah, I see your point now. So basically, the bodies filter out the chakra and only the sound gets back to Nagato.

Exactly. So taking that into account, why would the pain bodies be affected by genjutsu anyways, since Nagato himself wasn't affected (probably)

 

[Shunshin Bunshin]

Chakra receivers might work the opposite direction just as well. It affected Nagato's perception on the bodies ''caught'' in genjutsu.

 

[Darkakatsuki]

Cause it’s disrupting the users chakra, like any genjutsu, and despite them being dead, the cadavers still had nagatos chakra to disrupt. This either caused the chakra controlling the cadavers to be disrupted, thus limiting nagatos control over them for the time being, OR nagato was under it as well.(I don’t remember if we see nagato at all during the fight with jiraiya so I’m not sure about the second one). Or at least that’s what would make the most sense to me

Even if the paths were actually caught Nagato could have simply disrupted or stopped the chakra transmission and then reboot it and everything would have returned to normal.

However, he didn't do that because getting caught and killed was part of the plan all along. Jiraiya was running the whole time, from the moment he realised he couldn't beat the three paths he started running. In fact, even before that he was running while he was trying to activate sage mode and Pein had to chase him around the whole time.

He stopped running after activating sage mode and fought for real, but quickly realised he was outmatched and started running again.

Pein needed him to stop running, and the only way to do that was for him to trick Jiraiya into letting his guard down. He went into that corridor knowing that it was a trap, with the intention to let the paths die so that the other three could catch him off guard.

If you pay attention to Animal's words before they went into the corridor and to Pa's words right after Jiraiya's arm got blasted, it become clear that that was the plan all along.

So I think he could have got out of the genjutsu by disabling the chakra feed to the paths and then rebooting it, but Jiraiya would have been suspicious if he did that and maybe figured out his secret, at the very least he would not have let his guard down and started running again.

 

[Uverdore9]

Pain are not dead bodies, they are actually living beings who are ressurected through the King Of Hell (That thing dont repair as far as I know). They cant feel pain but have all other senses and since it is connected with Nagato, he feels it.

 

[davidou]

So my response in the VS thread led to a thread on the issue :lol. It was plot hole since Nagato was transmitting chakra and there brain wasnt actually intact. The puppets don't actually have anything that can legitimately be affected by genjutsu being dead bodies.

They can see their environnement and ear people talk, the genjutsu manipulated the chakra flow of the dead bodies by a sound, no plot hole.

 

[salamander uchiha]

They can see their environnement and ear people talk, the genjutsu manipulated the chakra flow of the dead bodies by a sound, no plot hole.

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Not true the genjutsu paralyses the mind.

 

[3MESSIAH]

Nagato's mind is linked to the puppets so of course genjutsu affects them

 

[Edogawa]

There is no plot-hole. The 6 Paths of Pain/Nagato are nothing more than separate extensions of Nagato projected by his Chakra. The Genjutsu did affect Nagato, since he was caught in the Genjutsu through Animal, Preta and Human Path but it did not paralyze his mind or his real body, so the effects of the Genjutsu on Nagato were weak.

 

[Kakooli]

maybe it affected nagato/pain bodies but konan broke nagato out...

 

[MightGai]

They can see their environnement and ear people talk, the genjutsu manipulated the chakra flow of the dead bodies by a sound, no plot hole.

But that chakra flow was in turn being controlled by Nagato, they are not autonomous things.