Why Was Hashirama Stronger Than Madara?

[gerizzyYMcrew]

Was there any particular reason why Hashirama was portrayed as the stronger since childhood?

He's even 3-0 against Madara in 1 on 1 single combat...even as edo tensei...just wondering why this was a recurring theme in the manga:

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[SenseiSama]

Madara used Kurama the same way a Samurai uses his sword. Controlling bijuu is a dojutsu feat therefore in the end of the day his eye feats equalled Hashi's body feats.

 

[SeveN797]

Indra was stronger than Ashura 1 on 1 and Ashura needed other's people help. Hashirama was stronger than Madara and then things balanced out when it was Naruto vs Sasuke. Although I wouldn't count that last fight. Edo Madara was never serious. During his previous fights he was fighting for his life against Hashirama, but as an edo he was fighting him just for the pleasure and to remind him of old times, his main goal was to be revived.

 

[Umari Senju]

Because of his Senju Endurance, Mokuton, and Sage Mode. Let's Break it down a bit:

Where the Uchiha have a potent chakra, the Senju have the endurance to take those powerful techniques.

Where the Uchiha have their doujutsu Sage Mode helped combat both the genjutsu aspect of the Sharingan as well as the added strength and endurance to contend with a force like Susanoo.

Mokuton also subdued bijuu and drains chakra of whoever comes in contact with it.

They were basically natural enemies. Hashi had a very slight advantage. I mean even though he won multiple times it was NEVER an easy victory and would usually end with him on the verge of collapse or death.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

It's to reinforce the theme that if you aren't born a winner, you can still try your best, and that if you practice hard enough, you will still get your ass handed to you by the guy who can just summon mountain sized Buddha statues out of thin air for no apparent reason.

 

[Pyro NB]

Indra was stronger than Ashura 1 on 1 and Ashura needed other's people help. Hashirama was stronger than Madara and then things balanced out when it was Naruto vs Sasuke. Although I wouldn't count that last fight. Edo Madara was never serious. During his previous fights he was fighting for his life against Hashirama, but as an edo he was fighting him just for the pleasure and to remind him of old times, his main goal was to be revived.

Because of his Senju Endurance, Mokuton, and Sage Mode. Let's Break it down a bit:

Where the Uchiha have a potent chakra, the Senju have the endurance to take those powerful techniques.

Where the Uchiha have their doujutsu Sage Mode helped combat both the genjutsu aspect of the Sharingan as well as the added strength and endurance to contend with a force like Susanoo.

Mokuton also subdued bijuu and drains chakra of whoever comes in contact with it.

They were basically natural enemies. Hashi had a very slight advantage. I mean even though he won multiple times it was NEVER an easy victory and would usually end with him on the verge of collapse or death.

In my opinion, these two explanations basically sum it up

 

[Styles]

Indra was stronger than Ashura 1 on 1 and Ashura needed other's people help. Hashirama was stronger than Madara and then things balanced out when it was Naruto vs Sasuke. Although I wouldn't count that last fight. Edo Madara was never serious. During his previous fights he was fighting for his life against Hashirama, but as an edo he was fighting him just for the pleasure and to remind him of old times, his main goal was to be revived.

Basically this. Also i wouldn't say Madara lost at VOTE even though it was a fight to the death Madara fought so he could Hashirama's DNA and implement "his" plan.

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

Indra was stronger than Ashura 1 on 1 and Ashura needed other's people help. Hashirama was stronger than Madara and then things balanced out when it was Naruto vs Sasuke. Although I wouldn't count that last fight. Edo Madara was never serious. During his previous fights he was fighting for his life against Hashirama, but as an edo he was fighting him just for the pleasure and to remind him of old times, his main goal was to be revived.

I only bought up the edo fight because it was 1 on 1...and I disagree I think madara was very serious about beating edo hashi

 

[King Richard]

Since the manga doesn't give any details as to how Hashirama became so strong, I assume it's because Hashirama possessed Asura's soul, just as no other Senju was as powerful as Hashirama in his era, the same could be said to Madara, the souls they possessed made them extraordinary.

 

[Belserion]

Basically this. Also i wouldn't say Madara lost at VOTE even though it was a fight to the death Madara fought so he could Hashirama's DNA and implement "his" plan.

I agree to some point. I never understood why He faked his own death with Izanagi if he could have used it right away and finish Hashirama off by surprise, you know like Obito did to Konan?

He'd have Hashi's whole body instead of a tiny piece.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Was there any particular reason why Hashirama was portrayed as the stronger since childhood?

He's even 3-0 against Madara in 1 on 1 single combat...even as edo tensei...just wondering why this was a recurring theme in the manga:

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rephrase that, the last one was not a one on one battle. And I hope no one truly believes ems madara is stronger than edo madara.

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

rephrase that, the last one was not a one on one battle. And I hope no one truly believes ems madara is stronger than edo madara.

it was a 1 on 1 fight between edo madara and edo hashirama from chapter 641 to 656...the end result was edo hashi pinning trapping edo madara with the wood dragon jutsu...so you could count that as a win for hashirama if you really wanted to

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

I agree to some point. I never understood why He faked his own death with Izanagi if he could have used it right away and finish Hashirama off by surprise, you know like Obito did to Konan?

He'd have Hashi's whole body instead of a tiny piece.

does izanagi revitalize you?...cause madara would come back the same as right before he died

 

[SeveN797]

I only bought up the edo fight because it was 1 on 1...and I disagree I think madara was very serious about beating edo hashi

It was hashi who were serious since he was trying to save the world, meanwhile madara just wanted to have some fun

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Madara even took his time and explained to hashi all that Shinju stuff during their fight.

 

[lndra]

Madara and Hashirama fought many times, not just VOTE. He lost each time, although Edo-Hashirama is excused cause they are not at full power.

Regardless there's no reason for Hashirama being stronger than Madara. He just is. There's no connection anywhere

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

it was a 1 on 1 fight between edo madara and edo hashirama from chapter 641 to 656...the end result was edo hashi pinning trapping edo madara with the wood dragon jutsu...so you could count that as a win for hashirama if you really wanted to

No it wasn't, you just skipped pages until Madara was down for the count. One thing you need to consider is that the fight was interrupted thanks to Obito. And Hashirama being that he can't maintain Sagemode for long in edo tensei would give edo Madara an open chance to take him out. But he didn't, he just stood there talking about the god tree.

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So after Obito was stopped by the alliance, Madara and Hashirama resumed their fight in which Madara managed to implant four rods on his back. And waited till the time was right to switch.
How do you call that a victory?

You're telling me base edo hashirama (the weakest form of adult hashirama) is able to beat edo Madara (stronger than ems madara) without the use of mokujin and shinsu senju?
This Hashirama who had naruto's jutsu for help?

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It was not a one on one match, it wasn't even a match to begin with. the small twin dragon and deity gates hashirama used are low level attacks that even Pain can blast away with one shrina tensei neg diff. Let's be realistic here and not use NB logic for a few seconds.
Do you truly believe Edo Madara is weaker than EMS Madara?

 

[Holy God]

Hashirama's power resides in his Wood Style. This is practically automatic to him while Madara never reached his full Sharingan potential until after they created an alliance. As a child, I was under the impression that Madara only said that so that they wouldn't have to fight each other, since in the fight(s) we saw they had tied. In their battle at the valley, Madara purposely lost, and under Impure World Resurrection Madara wasn't trying. I don't think the difference between them in their first life is that big.

 

[Nobel]

Madara and Hashirama fought many times, not just VOTE. He lost each time, although Edo-Hashirama is excused cause they are not at full power.

Regardless there's no reason for Hashirama being stronger than Madara. He just is. There's no connection anywhere

This ^^^, they fought against each other in several other battles, where hashirama remained victorious in each one. Hashirama was one of those special shinobi's who gained fame for the nickname "god of shinobi", though of course that was temporary until hashirama encountered Rikuzen , Rikuzen's former advisor is not to be taken lightly of.

 

[Amenotejikara]

He's the real prime hiruzen :lol

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

No it wasn't, you just skipped pages until Madara was down for the count. One thing you need to consider is that the fight was interrupted thanks to Obito. And Hashirama being that he can't maintain Sagemode for long in edo tensei would give edo Madara an open chance to take him out. But he didn't, he just stood there talking about the god tree.

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So after Obito was stopped by the alliance, Madara and Hashirama resumed their fight in which Madara managed to implant four rods on his back. And waited till the time was right to switch.
How do you call that a victory?

You're telling me base edo hashirama (the weakest form of adult hashirama) is able to beat edo Madara (stronger than ems madara) without the use of mokujin and shinsu senju?
This Hashirama who had naruto's jutsu for help?

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It was not a one on one match, it wasn't even a match to begin with. the small twin dragon and deity gates hashirama used are low level attacks that even Pain can blast away with one shrina tensei neg diff. Let's be realistic here and not use NB logic for a few seconds.
Do you truly believe Edo Madara is weaker than EMS Madara?

actually hashirama was down for the count even before naruto even interfered:

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