[Discussion] Why was Garp in the navy??

[CrimsonReaper]

Doesn't his name have a D or am i visually impaired how come he works under the government(the gods) doesn't the D stand for God's natural enemy as law said, is there more to garps case?? what do you guys think??

 

[BaseGodNaruto]

Yet too be explained Ds don't even know what I means Garp isn't the only Marines with D in his name remember Saul he was a D. But Garp was very strong and the freedom he gets is probably why he joined the marines. He is the strongest Marine

 

[CrimsonReaper]

Yet too be explained Ds don't even know what I means Garp isn't the only Marines with D in his name remember Saul he was a D. But Garp was very strong and the freedom he gets is probably why he joined the marines. He is the strongest Marine

However Saul betrayed the marines at the end and found that they are a ****ed up organization.

 

[BSK]

Was never explained but it will be sooner or later.

 

[U mAd]

im suprised that he wasn't jailed.the guy's son is the most wanted man his grandson is a wanted man and he also raised the pirate king's son.so im guesiing that he's just strong as fak that no one dares to do shit against him eventhough he's old and his power's has decreased since prime.

 

[CrimsonReaper]

im suprised that he wasn't jailed.the guy's son is the most wanted man his grandson is a wanted man and he also raised the pirate king's son.so im guesiing that he's just strong as fak that no one dares to do shit against him eventhough he's old and his power's has decreased since prime.

dude it was stated by sengoku that he's only free because he's a hero of the navy.

 

[U mAd]

dude it was stated by sengoku that he's only free because he's a hero of the navy.

yeah quite a hero he is.everything he's ever done has been a pain in the ass for the navy.

 

[Caliburn]

That D's are supposed to be the Gods natural enemies, is something that's only told amongst the Celestial Dragons and those really do not have any kind of contact with the common people. The latter don't have any particular opinion about D's if they already would even know that there are D's all across the world. Even among the Marines only the higher-ups, like everything from admiral and above, know about the potential danger of D's, but for the rest I doubt many think about it much. If Garp entered the Marines in a recruiting office somewhere in a remote corner of East Blue, there is really no one there that's going to say "You're a D, get lost". For them he's just another soldier.

Also what makes D's D's is not that they are a unified army, but that they are a group of people who seem the share the same mentality, that they will stand for their own personal believes. It doesn't matter whether they are marines, pirates or revolutionaries. I mean Garp has never showed any intention of ever betraying or questioning the Marines, he however on occasion decided to go against his own superiors if he thought it wasn't right. I think Dragon formulated this mentality quite well: "Question the world". This is a really dangerous notion as it's the opposite of the Marines and the WG who expect you to obey any command without hesitation and to accept the world as it is without questions (in particular the position of the Celestial Dragons).

I mean in the end it was a D who was able to keep the Pirate King, a D likewise, in check. It's inherent to their own mentality that no one in particular is the enemy, so they can be as much a pirate as a marine or something else. So a D who supports them, can be quite beneficial, especially because D's themselves have no clue about what that D means, so they will not see the Marines as their enemy just because they're D's. They don't even see themselves as a clearly identifiable group. So far whenever one D met another, they didn't even care about that initial. So for them it's not really important.

 

[U mAd]

That D's are supposed to be the Gods natural enemies, is something that's only told amongst the Celestial Dragons and those really do not have any kind of contact with the common people. The latter don't have any particular opinion about D's if they already would even know that there are D's all across the world. Even among the Marines only the higher-ups, like everything from admiral and above, know about the potential danger of D's, but for the rest I doubt many think about it much. If Garp entered the Marines in a recruiting office somewhere in a remote corner of East Blue, there is really no one there that's going to say "You're a D, get lost". For them he's just another soldier.

Also what makes D's D's is not that they are a unified army, but that they are a group of people who seem the share the same mentality, that they will stand for their own personal believes. It doesn't matter whether they are marines, pirates or revolutionaries. I mean Garp has never showed any intention of ever betraying or questioning the Marines, he however on occasion decided to go against his own superiors if he thought it wasn't right. I think Dragon formulated this mentality quite well: "Question the world". This is a really dangerous notion as it's the opposite of the Marines and the WG who expect you to obey any command without hesitation and to accept the world as it is without questions (in particular the position of the Celestial Dragons).

I mean in the end it was a D who was able to keep the Pirate King, a D likewise, in check. It's inherent to their own mentality that no one in particular is the enemy, so they can be as much a pirate as a marine or something else. So a D who supports them, can be quite beneficial, especially because D's themselves have no clue about what that D means, so they will not see the Marines as their enemy just because they're D's. They don't even see themselves as a clearly identifiable group. So far whenever one D met another, they didn't even care about that initial. So for them it's not really important.

so the marines just watched while a D rose in ranks and became powerful.

 

[Caliburn]

so the marines just watched while a D rose in ranks and became powerful.

It's not like he is the only D. Saul was a vice admiral. If you want to formulate it differently, it's like fighting poison with poison. Garp has achieved numerous successes for the Marines, so they yield results.

 

[U mAd]

It's not like he is the only D. Saul was a vice admiral. If you want to formulate it differently, it's like fighting poison with poison. Garp has achieved numerous successes for the Marines, so they yield results.

yeah but every decision he's taken has ultimatelely backfired.his sons the most wanted man.the children he wanted to become marines became criminals.what im saying is even though he wanted to help the marines he did more harm cuause he has D and he's naturally the enemy so fate just dosn't allow garp to do good for marines.

 

[ArabianLuffy]

However Saul betrayed the marines at the end and found that they are a ****ed up organization.

Betrayed? Seriously.

 

[Caliburn]

yeah but every decision he's taken has ultimatelely backfired.his sons the most wanted man.the children he wanted to become marines became criminals.what im saying is even though he wanted to help the marines he did more harm cuause he has D and he's naturally the enemy so fate just dosn't allow garp to do good for marines.

Garp has been in the marines for probably 50 years or so. We don't even know 0.1% of all the things he has done. For example he beat Don Chinjao and subdued Golden Lion Shiki. If you start piling up things like that for over a period of 50 years, you got quite the resume. Don't forget that Garp was one of the most famous marines in the world. He was practically their poster boy. There's even a very plausible theory that Dragon at one point joined the Marines and assuming that Cobi might make an admiral one day, Garp was the one who taught him.

So that he would have done more harm is very disputable. Especially because the only thing he can be blamed for, is that he wasn't often present to educate Luffy, Ace and maybe Dragon. Luffy got inspired by Shanks while Ace wanted to find the meaning of his existence. These were decisions they made, just like how Garp decided he wanted to become a marine. If Ace would have wanted to become a marine, I find it plausible that they would have accepted him even if they found out his origin simply because, regardless of the situation, D's are strong.

As I said before the only ones who see D's as a natural enemy, are the Celestial Dragons. This does not apply for the majority of the marines and even less for the world. The world also knows Roger as Gold Roger, not Gol D Roger and no one actually knew that Dragon was a D.

 

[Relostar Devil]

D doesn't mean you have to be pirate or some sort of criminal always. D means devils and they don't like gods but they can be a part of navy or WG if they want to. Right now D means that they have to be strong and wants freedom but it could be differ by person to person. Not all men are same.

 

[U mAd]

Garp has been in the marines for probably 50 years or so. We don't even know 0.1% of all the things he has done. For example he beat Don Chinjao and subdued Golden Lion Shiki. If you start piling up things like that for over a period of 50 years, you got quite the resume. Don't forget that Garp was one of the most famous marines in the world. He was practically their poster boy. There's even a very plausible theory that Dragon at one point joined the Marines and assuming that Cobi might make an admiral one day, Garp was the one who taught him.

So that he would have done more harm is very disputable. Especially because the only thing he can be blamed for, is that he wasn't often present to educate Luffy, Ace and maybe Dragon. Luffy got inspired by Shanks while Ace wanted to find the meaning of his existence. These were decisions they made, just like how Garp decided he wanted to become a marine. If Ace would have wanted to become a marine, I find it plausible that they would have accepted him even if they found out his origin simply because, regardless of the situation, D's are strong.

As I said before the only ones who see D's as a natural enemy, are the Celestial Dragons. This does not apply for the majority of the marines and even less for the world. The world also knows Roger as Gold Roger, not Gol D Roger and no one actually knew that Dragon was a D.

the celestial dragons seems to be the ones at the top of World goverment and they run or are allied with the marines so garp practically works for the celestial dragons.the celestials dragons claims to be the decendents of creators of the world/gods.its unnatural for the enemy's of god to work for decendats of gods without anything going wrong.
also anyone could have beaten chinjao,sengoku,admirals most shibukai.i agree during his years hi should have done lot of good but the marines probably kept garp cause he was the only one able to go head to head with roger.

 

[ultraChalk]

The "Gods" don't refer to the government, it refers to the 10ryubito.

The government work under them.

 

[Caliburn]

the celestial dragons seems to be the ones at the top of World goverment and they run or are allied with the marines so garp practically works for the celestial dragons.the celestials dragons claims to be the decendents of creators of the world/gods.its unnatural for the enemy's of god to work for decendats of gods without anything going wrong.
also anyone could have beaten chinjao,sengoku,admirals most shibukai.i agree during his years hi should have done lot of good but the marines probably kept garp cause he was the only one able to go head to head with roger.

The Marines are the WG's army, however despite the fact that the Celestial Dragons have unlimited power and can do whatever they want, so far none has actually shown to be involved particularly in ruling the WG, at best some diplomatic missions. The highest ruling organ that has been introduced, are the Goorosei and its members are no Celestial Dragons. The Celestial Dragons are extremely privileged and can exercise influence, but they are not the ones who run the entire thing from day to day. Especially when it concerns an army as even in the real world an army is a strong separate entity within a government. This became once more very clear during the Dressrosa arc where even the Fleet Admiral was bypassed by the WG so that DD could pull of that stunt.

You are interpreting the comment that the D's are the Gods natural enemies far to broad. That only specifically applies to the Celestial Dragons and no one else. Corazon also told Law that because of Doflamingo. He didn't say that the Marines or the WG are the enemies, but only DD. Only Celestal Dragons tell their own kin that D's are the Gods natural enemies and neither the Marines nor the WG fall under it.

You see the WG way too much as a very strong hierarchal organization where the higher levels can command anything from the lower levels, but that's really not the case. It's far more complex than that and no one in the world nor most people in the Marines give a damn about that the Celestial Dragons see the D's as their natural enemies, even the D's themselves don't think like that for so far anyone even knows about that. So there is nothing that stops D's from joining the Marines nor anything that stops the Marines from accepting them. In a very broad schematic Garp would be connected to the Celestial Dragons, but in practice he wouldn't be following their orders, but those of the admirals, fleet admiral, pan-fleet admiral and the Goorosei, all people and organs that have their own authority.

And dude Don Chinjao was a heavyweight. He was not someone that could be beaten by just anyone, but you act like he was some nameless small fry.

The Marines didn't keep Garp because he was able to go head to head with Roger. That's not even possible as Garp joined the Marines as a young guy on the lowest level and worked his way up to the top alongside Sengoku. Garp made his own name. Why would you throw away someone who is strong, popular and does his job well? There's a reason he was called "Garp the Hero" and if he wouldn't have refused all the time, he would have at least been an admiral. Many soldiers also looked up to him, Aokiji in particular. Garp and Sengoku were the Marines face's to the world for an entire generation.

 

[U mAd]

dude im not saying garp wasn't a good solider for the marines.clearly it seems that he was the best they had at times but as u said the c.dragons are at the top.so im just telling that at the end garps actions ain't toward's reaching the WG''s targets his are indipendent.the question on the thread was if there's more to why garp's working for WG.the WG has a goal wich is fully unknown yet,they don't want people to know about one piece and they protect the cesteial dragons for some reason.unlike people like akainu and kong garp dosn't seem to be working towards that,he's just there cause he want's to and the marines want him cause of his powers.clearly the people at top knows garps a D And they are enemy's of WG but cause of his powers they just cant afford to let him go or go against him cause only their most elite solider's ain't as strong as garp.he isn't there for any specific reason.

one things clear
the celestials are at the very top of WG and marines are their army.the celestials hate D's.garp's a D who rose up ranks.leaving garp unchecked is a great risk to the WG cause he's a threat.as sengoku said its the D's that stir up trouble most of the time and garps a D.

 

[shivjee]

as far as i know marines & WG are different organisation so it does not matter what WG think of someone unless it directly opposes them

 

[YellowFang]

Because he wanted to be one...?