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I've said it before. TOO MANY CHARACTERS INTRODUCED, and no screentime for them.

-Like 20 stern ritterns + a lot more fodder quincies

-0 division

-Stern lichner (the elites)

-the already lef out of screen time vice captains of the gotei 13

-Espada, each one with a team of arrancar bodyguards + more fodder arrancar + the antique arrancar

-When he finally had an opportunity to give some characters more screen time, HE ****ING INTRODUCE NEW ONES OR BRINGS BACK SOME OLD ONES NO ONE GIVES A **** (example, introducing ****ing yoruichi's younger brother to waste a whole chapter, bringing back the fullbringers, Mayuri bringing back fodder arrancar...)

I mean, what was Kubo thinking? Having too many characters caused:

- A lot of bankais were not showed
- A lot of lose ends (who's the new soul king? )
- No development for the soul king at all
- The zero division incident... lol, hyped AF and they all died like nothing
- GRIMMJOW gets brought back to do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING
- Is Urahara alive? Is Grimmjow alive? Pesche, Nelliel... ?
- The abilities of too many stern ritter were left out
- The vicecaptains of the Gotei 12.. i mean, i don't even remember their names
- Komamura stays as a dog? WTF?
- Then he wastes even more chapters on Haschwalt's and Bazz-B back story (which is okay, but there were more important things to do, than wasting 4 chapters on them)
- Uryuu only had a single bright moment against hachwalt, while he was hyped to be the one to defeat Ywach

So, if Bleach had 100- characters, Kubo could've given more screen time to each one, and this BS wouldn't have happened.
 
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Why it was so bad? Maybe because Bleach started to be shit a long time ago..
That is Kubo for you.. turning something that could have been really friggin awesome into something that even pissed of the money *****es from WSJ and they axed it.
 
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why are you talking about the espada? Most of them were dead. TBH I didn't realize Halibel was alive until we saw her chained up (Kubo should've let her die by Aizen as BS as that was). I also never gave a crap about arrancars not named Nel and Grimmjow in this arc. It was cool seeing the former espada come back as zombies but I didn't expect them to stay for long.

Kubo does a good job at designing characters. BG9, Cang Du, Robert, and Lille all looked very cool but yes he had too much in there. He could've done what he did in the fake karakura town arc and pit shinigami against an enemy but that'd take a lot of time which Kubo didn't have much of. War arcs have the potential to give characters moments to sine but an abudnace of character take a lot of balancing to do. Especially with the brutal work scehedule a mangaka has.
 
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I will heavily disagree with "four chapters wasting on Hashwalth and Bazz's story".

Flaschback together with Yamamoto's bankai and training between the invasions were some of the best things that happened in this arc.

These two are pretty much the only Sternritters that got development and that give us reasons to like or dislike them (outside of their design). We got nearly everything about them. How were their raised. How did they joined Wandenreich. For what reason. Why Bazz is the only SR familiar with Jugram. Why did they distanced from each other. etc

And Hashwalth's line on verge of death, that he couldn't save a friend, was probably the best line in this arc.

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On other points I agree.

Too much characters Kubo introduced. It wouldn't be a problem if Eichiro Oda did that, but Kubo haven't showed ability too handle that much characters in one arc.

I am pretty much sure everyone expected to see Shinji, Ukitake, Yoruichi, Love, Tessai, Aizen's bankai. What we got were same characters getting more screen time (Byakuya, Kenpachi, Mayuri, Hitsugaya) with different power, some of them where really a nonsense and VCs getting strange powerups and strange revivals (Nanao, Nemu). Naturally I wouldn't have problem with such VC getting their fights, but considering I excepted top Shinigamis too show their full power, I am not really pleased.

Why isn't Yuushiro - Omnitsukido commander, Shihoins hold that title? Why did we needed him in the series?

After Kubo saying that bodies in the Szayel's lab will have huge role in the War, he really trolled us. Ressurection Arrancars who weren't much popular to begin with, and made them fight with Giselle's zombies, that manga paper could be used in Sternritter development.

I could go on........
 
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The last arc was great up until Ichigo got defeated by Bach then there was a shit load of BS.

1- They killed Haschwalth and Gerard so terribly.
2- Yhwach Almighty became weak af during the final battle
3- Ichigo old blade just came out of no where
4- Random fullbringer fodder revived ichigo bankai
5- Aizen got spanked
6- Urahara and Yoruichi grimmjow and neilel never explained what happened to them.
 
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Isn't it a shame that I can remember all of the Espada's by heart but can hardly name more than 5 Quincies without pulling up Google? These Quincies were just boring af.
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I was intimidated and actually worried for Karakura town. Not just because of Aizen's presence but because of how fierce and badass the whole gang was. Grimmjow being a prime example was practically testing Aizen, and just doing what he wanted without actually giving a ****. Making Ichigo feel so helpless and useless to forcing him to learning Visord training pushed him to get stronger. I mean, this whole thing with the Quincies ONLY started getting interesting because of Grimmjow's return. After Yama was killed by Yhwach, it became stale and then Kisuke spiced it up by taking on the poison guy.

I can honestly say that the arrancar saga was much better than these Quincies. An ending can make or break a series, so when you have an arc that goes on for 3-4+ years with hyped characters destined to show great potential only to have most of them die like random fodders, then I start to question. Most of these Quincies didn't even have a proper story and was just there to fanboy over their Majesty. Who is Gremmy and why was he created? Why was he hyped so bad and then died so quickly? Such a strong character just dies and we don't even get any detail about him. Those are the types of characters I hate the most. Characters that are hyped to be strong, but then die in less than 5 chapters without any proper closure. The reason why I liked Ulquiorra so much was because Kubo did a good job with his character. He focused on him quite a lot and gave him an interesting look on what things are. He even started questioning if he had become "more human." Ulquiorra wasn't a wasted character and that goes for most of the Espada, but when I look at these Quincies I can't help but feel a big ass "meh" when I see them. They are just there.

This arc was ass, poorly paced, rushed ending and the most frustrating of all is how Yhwach never used Yamamoto's bankai nor did we actually see all of Ichigo's full power against Yhwach, so instead Kubo makes Yhwach so incredibly strong and haxed that he cancels his bankai and breaks his sword so we would be frustrated and never see his bankai or even Mugetsu again. Instead we get some lame ass Getsuga as a final attack. Yeah, didn't see that coming.

The final battle between Yhwach and Ichigo was supposed to be the best this series has ever seen, but Aizen vs Ichigo was clearly better and imo it seemed like Dangai/Mugetsu Ichigo was much stronger.

Like most have already said, Kubo should have just ended this manga off on the Arrancar saga. No shitty fullbringers. No Quincies. Just end it off on Ichigo losing his powers and Aizen actually not turning into an Ichigo fanboy.
 
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Dannie said:
Isn't it a shame that I can remember all of the Espada's by heart but can hardly name more than 5 Quincies without pulling up Google? These Quincies were just boring af.
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I was intimidated and actually worried for Karakura town. Not just because of Aizen's presence but because of how fierce and badass the whole gang was. Grimmjow being a prime example was practically testing Aizen, and just doing what he wanted without actually giving a ****. Making Ichigo feel so helpless and useless to forcing him to learning Visord training pushed him to get stronger. I mean, this whole thing with the Quincies ONLY started getting interesting because of Grimmjow's return. After Yama was killed by Yhwach, it became stale and then Kisuke spiced it up by taking on the poison guy.

I can honestly say that the arrancar saga was much better than these Quincies. An ending can make or break a series, so when you have an arc that goes on for 3-4+ years with hyped characters destined to show great potential only to have most of them die like random fodders, then I start to question. Most of these Quincies didn't even have a proper story and was just there to fanboy over their Majesty. Who is Gremmy and why was he created? Why was he hyped so bad and then died so quickly? Such a strong character just dies and we don't even get any detail about him. Those are the types of characters I hate the most. Characters that are hyped to be strong, but then die in less than 5 chapters without any proper closure. The reason why I liked Ulquiorra so much was because Kubo did a good job with his character. He focused on him quite a lot and gave him an interesting look on what things are. He even started questioning if he had become "more human." Ulquiorra wasn't a wasted character and that goes for most of the Espada, but when I look at these Quincies I can't help but feel a big ass "meh" when I see them. They are just there.

This arc was ass, poorly paced, rushed ending and the most frustrating of all is how Yhwach never used Yamamoto's bankai nor did we actually see all of Ichigo's full power against Yhwach, so instead Kubo makes Yhwach so incredibly strong and haxed that he cancels his bankai and breaks his sword so we would be frustrated and never see his bankai or even Mugetsu again. Instead we get some lame ass Getsuga as a final attack. Yeah, didn't see that coming.

The final battle between Yhwach and Ichigo was supposed to be the best this series has ever seen, but Aizen vs Ichigo was clearly better and imo it seemed like Dangai/Mugetsu Ichigo was much stronger.

Like most have already said, Kubo should have just ended this manga off on the Arrancar saga. No shitty fullbringers. No Quincies. Just end it off on Ichigo losing his powers and Aizen actually not turning into an Ichigo fanboy.
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I had so much to say before I read this, but you took the words right out of my mouth.
The Espada, paired with Aizen, Gin and Tousen were extremely interesting characters and so well developed that it's hard to come up with better villains/adversaries. That was definitely the best Arc in Bleach and it should've ended there, even though I wanted to see more of a lot of characters I loved. But if I look back at it now; Bleach really went down the cliff in terms of quality. Such a shame, but I still love the series, despite how contradictory that may sound because of my criticism.
 
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Forbidden Tale said:
I will heavily disagree with "four chapters wasting on Hashwalth and Bazz's story".

Flaschback together with Yamamoto's bankai and training between the invasions were some of the best things that happened in this arc.

These two are pretty much the only Sternritters that got development and that give us reasons to like or dislike them (outside of their design). We got nearly everything about them. How were their raised. How did they joined Wandenreich. For what reason. Why Bazz is the only SR familiar with Jugram. Why did they distanced from each other. etc

And Hashwalth's line on verge of death, that he couldn't save a friend, was probably the best line in this arc.
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Yes that's why i said it was alright. But there were other priorities than that. You can give your character development, it's fine, and it was a great story, but, what about some other more important developments we needed and didn't get? For example, Uuryu was barely showed on this arc. Ukitake died and we didn't even see his bankai, and we got a simple story about him but it was not in the form of flashback. There were a lot of these..
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On other points I agree.

Too much characters Kubo introduced. It wouldn't be a problem if Eichiro Oda did that, but Kubo haven't showed ability too handle that much characters in one arc.
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Bleach introduces even more characters than one piece.

I am pretty much sure everyone expected to see Shinji, Ukitake, Yoruichi, Love, Tessai, Aizen's bankai. What we got were same characters getting more screen time (Byakuya, Kenpachi, Mayuri, Hitsugaya) with different power, some of them where really a nonsense and VCs getting strange powerups and strange revivals (Nanao, Nemu). Naturally I wouldn't have problem with such VC getting their fights, but considering I excepted top Shinigamis too show their full power, I am not really pleased.

Why isn't Yuushiro - Omnitsukido commander, Shihoins hold that title? Why did we needed him in the series?

After Kubo saying that bodies in the Szayel's lab will have huge role in the War, he really trolled us. Ressurection Arrancars who weren't much popular to begin with, and made them fight with Giselle's zombies, that manga paper could be used in Sternritter development.

I could go on........
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This doesn't contradict what i said
 
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TRE MERCER said:
The last arc was great up until Ichigo got defeated by Bach then there was a shit load of BS.

1- They killed Haschwalth and Gerard so terribly.
2- Yhwach Almighty became weak af during the final battle
3- Ichigo old blade just came out of no where
4- Random fullbringer fodder revived ichigo bankai
5- Aizen got spanked
6- Urahara and Yoruichi grimmjow and neilel never explained what happened to them.
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I disagree. It was gabage since Yamamoto's death. Yamamot's fight was the last thing that really touched me. From that point, Ichigo going with the division 0 was pretty good, but, the battle in the soul society? It made me puke. It was literally the same everytime:

-Battle of 5 chapters, sternrittern is winning, the good guy powers up, the sertn rittern powers up, the good guy powers up again and wins. --> I can give you a parallel of 7 battles like this on this arc.

Plus the major bullshit was the zero division ..
 
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