[Discussion] Why senjutsu of 6 paths >>> Rinnegan

[NaruSasuRival]

This should be obvious from the mangafax, but fanboys and especially Sasuke's fanboys have a denial level that cannot be measure. In addition, they are as resilienet as cockroa...

Well, people should understand that since Akatsuki appeared, their goal was never to obtain Rinnegan. Rather, they were after the Bijus and in consequence the Senjutsu of the six paths. In facts, before Obito and Madara became Juubiriki, they both had one Rinnegan each, and they could be taken out if they were not controlling juubi and using his mokuton. It was only after obtaining the Senjutsu of the six paths that they claimed to have obtained the power of Rikudo.

So basically, the power of Rikudo is about the Senjutsu of the six paths. Moreover, I made a thread a while ago to discussthe name of the Senjutsu. n general, most people think the Senjutsu is referred to as the Senjutsus of the six path because it is the sage of the six path who created it. Well, I am pretty sure this is not true, though we will have to wait for the manga to verify. However, we can actually see that the Senjutsu of the six paths causes the user to be enlighten as we saw with Naruto.

This enlightment seems normal to me because anyone who can sense nature would understand how nature is made, and what makes it. With the level of sync Naruto has in SMo6P, he can even understand how to make a legit clone of human being, and Kakashi's eye was a sample demonstration. My opinion is that Naruto is actually the one who has six paths, and this why the SMo6P is called the Senjutsu of the six paths.

Conclusion, the Senjutsus is not call Senjutsu of the sage of the six paths. Rather, it is called Senjutsus of the Six Paths meaning it belongs to the six paths.

Demo argument:

1. What does Nagato do when his pain are damaged. Well, he replaces the damaged part. What did Naruto do when Kakashi's eye was removed. Well, he replace it with new eye.

2. What does Nagato do with dead corps? Well, he revived them and control them. It seems that Naruto can actually put life in people and control them as well. Example, K11 Rasengan and Gai Sensei death avoided.

 

[SIR UZMAKIMADARA]

This should be obvious from the mangafax, but fanboys and especially Sasuke's fanboys have a denial level that cannot be measure. In addition, they are as resilienet as cockroa...

Well, people should understand that since Akatsuki appeared, their goal was never to obtain Rinnegan. Rather, they were after the Bijus and in consequence the Senjutsu of the six paths. In facts, before Obito and Madara became Juubiriki, they both had one Rinnegan each, and they could be taken out if they were not controlling juubi and using his mokuton. It was only after obtaining the Senjutsu of the six paths that they claimed to have obtained the power of Rikudo.

So basically, the power of Rikudo is about the Senjutsu of the six paths. Moreover, I made a thread a while ago to discussthe name of the Senjutsu. n general, most people think the Senjutsu is referred to as the Senjutsus of the six path because it is the sage of the six path who created it. Well, I am pretty sure this is not true, though we will have to wait for the manga to verify. However, we can actually see that the Senjutsu of the six paths causes the user to be enlighten as we saw with Naruto.

This enlightment seems normal to me because anyone who can sense nature would understand how nature is made, and what makes it. With the level of sync Naruto has in SMo6P, he can even understand how to make a legit clone of human being, and Kakashi's eye was a sample demonstration. My opinion is that Naruto is actually the one who has six paths, and this why the SMo6P is called the Senjutsu of the six paths.

Conclusion, the Senjutsus is not call Senjutsu of the sage of the six paths. Rather, it is called Senjutsus of the Six Paths meaning it belongs to the six paths.

Demo argument:

1. What does Nagato do when his pain are damaged. Well, he replaces the damaged part. What did Naruto do when Kakashi's eye was removed. Well, he replace it with new eye.

2. What does Nagato do with dead corps? Well, he revived them and control them. It seems that Naruto can actually put life in people and control them as well. Example, K11 Rasengan and Gai Sensei death avoided.

You are damn true.

The part where you stated that akatsuki was after bijuus ,and in consequence the Senjutsu of the six paths, not after rinnegan clearly means that you get my point.

Excellent post.

i am unable to rep u

 

[NaruSasuRival]

You are damn true.

The part where you stated that akatsuki was after bijuus ,and in consequence the Senjutsu of the six paths, not after rinnegan clearly means that you get my point.

Excellent post.

i am unable to rep u

No sweat!
The problem with the fanbase is that they have many shortcoming from the get go. People do not even make any difference between hero and bad guy. They cannot understand that the hero is someone who is against destructive use of power, and therefore, even if he could destroy the whole planet, he would not do it.

Even if Naruto could create a worldwide Shubaku tensei or FRS, he won't because there won't be anyone to save the world. Thus, Naruto will rarely show a jutsu that is stronger than Sasuke's jutsu. Every jutsu that Naruto will perform will be a jutsu to counter or stop a jutsu from Sasuke. If there is a need for Naruto to kill Sasuke, he will kill him with tactic, not with a large scale jutsu.

This being said, Naruto fighting will change drastically compare to his battle against Pain. There won't be any rampage because he overcame the rampage. Naruto will use Jutsus that absorb jutsus, or cancel jutsus, etc.There is one thing that the fanbase ignore:

Sasuke has never seen Six Paths Techniques. The only one who has seen six paths techniques is Naruto and he has seen all of them from Nagato and remember all their seals.​

Thus, when Sasuke said he used to the abilities of the Rinnegan, his world have meaning only for the abilities he knows - which are Shubabku tensei, Swaping places, etc. In fact, how many abilities Sasuke ever used to back his words?

 

[Byron123]

No sweat!
The problem with the fanbase is that they have many shortcoming from the get go. People do not even make any difference between hero and bad guy. They cannot understand that the hero is someone who is against destructive use of power, and therefore, even if he could destroy the whole planet, he would not do it.

Even if Naruto could create a worldwide Shubaku tensei or FRS, he won't because there won't be anyone to save the world. Thus, Naruto will rarely show a jutsu that is stronger than Sasuke's jutsu. Every jutsu that Naruto will perform will be a jutsu to counter or stop a jutsu from Sasuke. If there is a need for Naruto to kill Sasuke, he will kill him with tactic, not with a large scale jutsu.

This being said, Naruto fighting will change drastically compare to his battle against Pain. There won't be any rampage because he overcame the rampage. Naruto will use Jutsus that absorb jutsus, or cancel jutsus, etc.There is one thing that the fanbase ignore:

Sasuke has never seen Six Paths Techniques. The only one who has seen six paths techniques is Naruto and he has seen all of them from Nagato and remember all their seals.​

Thus, when Sasuke said he used to the abilities of the Rinnegan, his world have meaning only for the abilities he knows - which are Shubabku tensei, Swaping places, etc. In fact, how many abilities Sasuke ever used to back his words?

Sorry but your last argument is comletely stupid. I mean for real? How many times have we seen a character being perfectly capable of fluently using a newly acquired ability? Did Obito and Madara have to train in using the abilities they acquired as Jins? No! Did Kakashi had any experience in using PF? No! So, how can you say that Sasuke won't be able to use fluently his new abilities?

 

[SIR UZMAKIMADARA]

No sweat!
The problem with the fanbase is that they have many shortcoming from the get go. People do not even make any difference between hero and bad guy. They cannot understand that the hero is someone who is against destructive use of power, and therefore, even if he could destroy the whole planet, he would not do it.

Even if Naruto could create a worldwide Shubaku tensei or FRS, he won't because there won't be anyone to save the world. Thus, Naruto will rarely show a jutsu that is stronger than Sasuke's jutsu. Every jutsu that Naruto will perform will be a jutsu to counter or stop a jutsu from Sasuke. If there is a need for Naruto to kill Sasuke, he will kill him with tactic, not with a large scale jutsu.

This being said, Naruto fighting will change drastically compare to his battle against Pain. There won't be any rampage because he overcame the rampage. Naruto will use Jutsus that absorb jutsus, or cancel jutsus, etc.There is one thing that the fanbase ignore:

Sasuke has never seen Six Paths Techniques. The only one who has seen six paths techniques is Naruto and he has seen all of them from Nagato and remember all their seals.​

Thus, when Sasuke said he used to the abilities of the Rinnegan, his world have meaning only for the abilities he knows - which are Shubabku tensei, Swaping places, etc. In fact, how many abilities Sasuke ever used to back his words?

Exactly. You are wise and unbiased person I ever seen on NB.

You are damn rught . naruto would use technique which would counter / nullify sasuke technique.naruto will not go for destructive techniques because he don't want to hurt aasuke or SA.

 

[QdonEms]

Gtfo rinnegan comes from both.

 

[UzumakiRyu]

Interesting Points... but

Rinnegan>/= Six Paths Senjutsu

MangaPhact.... We've seen it's true power.

Sasuke LITERALLY defeated ALL NINE Biju in 2 Techs with ZERO difficulty

He caught each biju in a Super Genjutsu with NO EYE CONTACT. and used CT with NO ORB thus negating CTs weakness.

Clearly you are underestimating Rinnegan.

No eye contact? sum serious wanking there
reread the Manga, Hagomoro clearly said "With a glance" meaning he looked at the Bijuu jeez some people fap this Sausage all day I tell ya

 

[NaruSasuRival]

Sorry but your last argument is comletely stupid. I mean for real? How many times have we seen a character being perfectly capable of fluently using a newly acquired ability? Did Obito and Madara have to train in using the abilities they acquired as Jins? No! Did Kakashi had any experience in using PF? No! So, how can you say that Sasuke won't be able to use fluently his new abilities?

You don't have to be sorry. Rather, answer the following questions:

1. How many abilities of the Rinnegan Sasuke has ever seen?
2. How many abilities of the Rinnegan Sasuke has ever used?
3. How do you get use to an ability that you have never seen or used?

 

[narutoblitz]

Sasuke was holding back in the fight with Kaguya. He wasn't going to tip his hand to Nardo. Hashirama beat the TB individually. Lord Sasuke just solo'd all 9 of them Madara style. I think we can fairly say that Sasuke >> Hashi at this point. Sasuke also can cancel Sage Mode chakra due to Hashirama's jutsu.

 

[NaruSasuRival]

Sasuke was holding back in the fight with Kaguya. He wasn't going to tip his hand to Nardo. Hashirama beat the TB individually. Lord Sasuke just solo'd all 9 of them Madara style. I think we can fairly say that Sasuke >> Hashi at this point. Sasuke also can cancel Sage Mode chakra due to Hashirama's jutsu.

Well, this is why Madara almost kill him. I think your argument is fair!

 

[Ultimateone]

i have said this in a few threads before. the rennigan itself is not at it's fullest unless you have that senjutsu. without it it pretty good, but give it senjutsu and you are unstoppable. the rennigan's strength stems from the many abilities it posses. but those abilities are easily countered by someone with enough power, which would be a senjutsu user. take hashirama for example. his senjutsu gave him the ability to dominate madara even after he had gained the rennigan. hashirama's senjutsu is not even sage of the six paths level, meaning no bijuu chakra. but hashirama was essentially able to beat/stalemate rennigan madara who has been boosted past his prime, that says a lot. he was also able to pin the juubi with his senjutsu sealing gates. naruto upon just perfecting sage mode, took out multiple pain bodies, when people would have problems with just one.

but senjutsu of the six paths is even greater. now you have senjutsu plus the power of the bijuu, all the bijuu. senjutsu is gained in porportion to how much chakra the user has. having all the chakra means a seemingly limitless supply of senjutsu. which basically translates to more power and a bigger jump in ever attribute that senjutsu augments. madara being able to take on 9 bijuu at once was aided by the fact that he used the gedo mazou, which is the shell of the juubi which is incredibly powerful. sasuke putting them in genjutsu is also not that huge a feat considering the 3 tomoe sharingan has been shown to outright control them. while kurama was still able to communicate with naruto.

 

[narutoblitz]

Sasuke probably has DSM from Kabuto.

 

[Jnaru]

Interesting Points... but

Rinnegan>/= Six Paths Senjutsu

MangaPhact.... We've seen it's true power.

Sasuke LITERALLY defeated ALL NINE Biju in 2 Techs with ZERO difficulty

He caught each biju in a Super Genjutsu with NO EYE CONTACT. and used CT with NO ORB thus negating CTs weakness.

Clearly you are underestimating Rinnegan.

well naruto still have biju chakra he might summon back all of them out of chibaku tensei in one summoning that will balance out sauce CT, gedo mazou body was summoned before so its not a permanent seal

 

[KCMNaruto]

True and great thread OP, but actually it is different in Sasuke's case.

Tomoe Rinnegan = Senjutsu of six paths > Regular Rinnegan

Yin complete Yang and opposite

RSM Naruto ~ TR Sasuke

The battle will be on equal ground, that make it epic to watch and worth to wait for

 

[Byron123]

You don't have to be sorry. Rather, answer the following questions:

1. How many abilities of the Rinnegan Sasuke has ever seen?
2. How many abilities of the Rinnegan Sasuke has ever used?
3. How do you get use to an ability that you have never seen or used?

1. Chibaku tensei, Limbo and the rods if they count.
2. Chibaku tensei and the teleportation which he didn't not see from anyone.
3. The same way Obito and Madara used perfectly their new abilities when they became Jins?

Seriously did you even read what I wrote? It seems that you completely ignored what I said about the Jins.

Also, in case you go by saying why he didn't use other ablities as well in the fight against Kaguya, I will simply say that he did so because he didn't want to let Naruto know of the full extent of his abilities. It would only make sense for him to try to analyze his future's oponents abilities while he keeps his own a secret. A risky move but nonetheless an explainable one.

 

[NaruSasuRival]

1. Chibaku tensei, Limbo and the rods if they count.
2. Chibaku tensei and the teleportation which he didn't not see from anyone.
3. The same way Obito and Madara used perfectly their new abilities when they became Jins?

Seriously did you even read what I wrote? It seems that you completely ignored what I said about the Jins.

Also, in case you go by saying why he didn't use other ablities as well in the fight against Kaguya, I will simply say that he did so because he didn't want to let Naruto know of the full extent of his abilities. It would only make sense for him to try to analyze his future's oponents abilities while he keeps his own a secret. A risky move but nonetheless an explainable one.

You obviously don't get the point here. The problem is in the fanbase going nut about how Sasuke possess all the Rinnegan abilities, which is obviously wrong. Kaguya also had even stronger eyes than Sasuke and she obviously had a very few feats out of it.

Besides, the key is in sasuke's statement - The battle allowed him to get used to the abilities of the Rinnegan. My point is that the statement itself is BS and it is a bone thrown by Kishi to his fanboys to eat during the break. The reason is that you cannot be used to something you never used or see. As far as the fight against Kaguya is concerned, Sasuke used only 2 Rinnegan abilities, and nothing else, and therefore his statemt concerns only these two abilities. In addition to these two, I would say he is used to the Rinnegan itself.

Now, in case you don't know, Sasuke has no reason to hide his Rinnegan abilities to Naruto if he really has them. The reason is that Naruto already know all Nagato's Rinnegan abilities, Madara's Limbo, Sasuke place swap, controlling Gedo MAzou, etc. So that argument of yours means nothing. The truth is that Sasuke was powerless against Kaguya, and it was only towards the end that he could spam swapping for the end sake.

Well, I am not saying he does not have other Rinnegan abilities. Rather, I am saying it is unlikely that he has six path techniques because he got only one Rinnegan, and if he has it, there is no hint to them. Besides, it would be a major hole in many argument if Sasuke can use six paths techniques within a few hours without never seeing them or learning them.

 

[Byron123]

You obviously don't get the point here. The problem is in the fanbase going nut about how Sasuke possess all the Rinnegan abilities, which is obviously wrong. Kaguya also had even stronger eyes than Sasuke and she obviously had a very few feats out of it.

Besides, the key is in sasuke's statement - The battle allowed him to get used to the abilities of the Rinnegan. My point is that the statement itself is BS and it is a bone thrown by Kishi to his fanboys to eat during the break. The reason is that you cannot be used to something you never used or see. As far as the fight against Kaguya is concerned, Sasuke used only 2 Rinnegan abilities, and nothing else, and therefore his statemt concerns only these two abilities. In addition to these two, I would say he is used to the Rinnegan itself.

Now, in case you don't know, Sasuke has no reason to hide his Rinnegan abilities to Naruto if he really has them. The reason is that Naruto already know all Nagato's Rinnegan abilities, Madara's Limbo, Sasuke place swap, controlling Gedo MAzou, etc. So that argument of yours means nothing. The truth is that Sasuke was powerless against Kaguya, and it was only towards the end that he could spam swapping for the end sake.

Well, I am not saying he does not have other Rinnegan abilities. Rather, I am saying it is unlikely that he has six path techniques because he got only one Rinnegan, and if he has it, there is no hint to them. Besides, it would be a major hole in many argument if Sasuke can use six paths techniques within a few hours without never seeing them or learning them.

Sasuske hypothetically can possess all rinnegan techniques. Kaguya's sharingan has yet to be proven that it was superior than his. As far I'm concerned his rinnegan and her rinnegan are identical. The problem is that Kaguya did not use any rinnegan abilities so we can't actually compare. If she had done, she would have been more powerful but I don't think that it would be because of a better rinnegan but rather because of overwhelming chakra.

Again you bring up this argument of not being able to use efficiently abilities that you've never seen before yet you carefully chose to completely disregard for a second time my examples of Obito and Madara who did the exact same thing as Jins.

As you said, that he's used to the rinnegan itself so this is opened to discussion as for its meanings. It might mean that he got a better understanding overall and so that may be able to use to its full potential. You say that Naruto obviously knows the rinnegan techniques including Sasuke's swapping and Madara's limbo yet what makes you believe that Sasuke doesn't have even more new rinnegan techniques? After all, if Sasuke's rinnegan is indeed superior to Madara's and I say just if, then it would make sense for him to have access to even more rinnegan techniques.

As for Kaguya's fight I will agree. I do believe though that he has many aces up to his sleeve that he didn't use in that fight for the sake of fighting Naruto. I don't say that it was a clever idea, rather a risky one but still it does make kind of sense, up to a point considering his recent obsession with killing Naruto.

As for the "only one rinnegan", well we stil have to learn more about it, don't count it out, after all, one thing is for sure, and in that we can agree both, Kishimoto didn't give Sasuke a rinnegan which identical to Kaguya's for no reason. We also don't know how fast he can adapt to it, after all, he was called a genius for his fast learning.

What I'm saying is just don't be so certain about everything, it's better to look at things with more open-mind.

 

[UzumakiRyu]

Sasuke only has one which means he isn't able to fully utilize the Rinnegans full capability therefore cannot possibly have all six paths techniques so in this regard the most of those six he would have is like 3? since he used CT he would have the other 2 that are linked to that technique so no more for him I'm afraid thats a fact unless he gets the second eye don't be expecting something that won't happen

 

[KCMNaruto]

Sasuke only has one which means he isn't able to fully utilize the Rinnegans full capability therefore cannot possibly have all six paths techniques so in this regard the most of those six he would have is like 3? since he used CT he would have the other 2 that are linked to that technique so no more for him I'm afraid thats a fact unless he gets the second eye don't be expecting something that won't happen

or Tomoe rinnegan is special case, so he can only have one and still posses all six paths techniques + one unique ability due to having Tomoe Rinnegan instead of regular Rinnegan.

If you ask about Sasuke having both Tomoe Rinnegan then I will just say it is impossible as only of such eye could possesed by user. Kaguya had on, Juubi had one, Madara had one.

 

[UzumakiRyu]

or Tomoe rinnegan is special case, so he can only have one and still posses all six paths techniques + one unique ability due to having Tomoe Rinnegan instead of regular Rinnegan.

If you ask about Sasuke having both Tomoe Rinnegan then I will just say it is impossible as only of such eye could possesed by user. Kaguya had on, Juubi had one, Madara had one.

Kaguya is a Byakugan user, Juubi lol and Madara was first to awaken Rinnegan in both eyes and he only awakened third eye when he intiated his moon eye plan so really all those examples r not that good to compare to since Madara never had just "one sharinnegan" or rinnegan for that matter to compare to Sasuke and until the time comes when Sasuke shows more then CT and the 2 techniques related to that then he's limited to 3.