Why senjus were able to keep up with the most powerful clan

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Your interpretation is worse than mine.
He didn' t say that he gave them power, he said that he left them power and there is a nuance, the latter doesn' t imply that he did that intentionnaly.
Only Indra had power, only Indra was left power, the sage was talking about Indra, and it is obvious for good readers.
Hagoromo states that giving only Asura power resulted in a feud, and then in the present he says that giving both reincarnates power resulted in the same problem.

The manga states he gave Asura power, it's in the manga. You can't deny manga facts.


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I doubt that. Ashura had of six paths chakra, something Hashirama didnt, and was equal with Madara ever since the beginning, where Naruto was always behind, and even needed Kyuubi to match Sasu
There's this thing called BLOOD DILUTION. The same reason Uchiha can't use MS without blindness, the same reason Uchiha don't have Rikudou chakra like Indra, the same reason Hashirama doesn't have a chakra avatar.


Ashura's power was divided between Uzumaki and Senju like Hagoromo's was between him Indra. That coupled with centuries of human DNA being added to Otsutsuki lineage dissipated any remaining trace of Six Path power Hagoromo's children inherited.


Indra had a Sharingan powered by Rikudou chakra, Ashura had Six Path Senjutsu, transmigrants are born with just a portion of that power. The manga shows it and you can't disprove it.

Ashura didn't have spsm it was given to him by the sage there was no way for him to match indra. Besides the beasts didn't recognise Ashura whatsoever or say Naruto is like him. So the only likely outcome is the sage gave it to him. And besides the sage pretty much confirms he gave Ashura a power. Anyway Hashirama is naturally talented and without 6psm if he had that then he'd be near unstoppable.
Ashura was considered Indra's equal before that meaning he already possessed Six Path Senjutsu before Hagoromo chose a successor. The power he left was political power, being the leader of the Ninshu religion.
 

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There's this thing called BLOOD DILUTION. The same reason Uchiha can't use MS without blindness, the same reason Uchiha don't have Rikudou chakra like Indra, the same reason Hashirama doesn't have a chakra avatar.


Ashura's power was divided between Uzumaki and Senju like Hagoromo's was between him Indra. That coupled with centuries of human DNA being added to Otsutsuki lineage dissipated any remaining trace of Six Path power Hagoromo's children inherited.


Indra had a Sharingan powered by Rikudou chakra, Ashura had Six Path Senjutsu, transmigrants are born with just a portion of that power. The manga shows it and you can't disprove it.



Ashura was considered Indra's equal before that meaning he already possessed Six Path Senjutsu before Hagoromo chose a successor. The power he left was political power, being the leader of the Ninshu religion.
Point out "political power" in this scan.

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Hagoromo states that giving only Asura power resulted in a feud, and then in the present he says that giving both reincarnates power resulted in the same problem.

The manga states he gave Asura power, it's in the manga. You can't deny manga facts.


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Wrong, he doesn' t say that he gave power to Ashura.
In fact, if you read the manga correctly you would know that only Indra has been given power (Ashura awakened power and was entrusted ninshuu), you would know that he was talking about Indra.
 
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Go read the english definition of power. And tell me why Ashura would lose a fight when he's given Hagoromo's power AFTER already being Indra's equal.



Hagoromo specifically stated that Ashura awakened chakra that made him Indra's equal. There is your proof.
 

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There's this thing called BLOOD DILUTION. The same reason Uchiha can't use MS without blindness, the same reason Uchiha don't have Rikudou chakra like Indra, the same reason Hashirama doesn't have a chakra avatar.


Ashura's power was divided between Uzumaki and Senju like Hagoromo's was between him Indra. That coupled with centuries of human DNA being added to Otsutsuki lineage dissipated any remaining trace of Six Path power Hagoromo's children inherited.


Indra had a Sharingan powered by Rikudou chakra, Ashura had Six Path Senjutsu, transmigrants are born with just a portion of that power. The manga shows it and you can't disprove it.



Ashura was considered Indra's equal before that meaning he already possessed Six Path Senjutsu before Hagoromo chose a successor. The power he left was political power, being the leader of the Ninshu religion.
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If power means Ninshuu, why didn't Sasuke and Naruto get it? Lol try and twist this one if you can,
 

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Wrong, he doesn' t say that he gave power to Ashura.
In fact, if you read the manga correctly you would know that only Indra has been given power, you would know that he was talking about Indra.
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He's clearly talking about giving Asura power. He says he entrusted EVERYTHING to Asura, whether it was Ninshuu or power, he left it all to Asura. The manga says Asura couldn't do things by himself which would explain how he tied with his brother. This time, to rectify his past mistake, he gives his power to Indra's last living descendant; Sasuke.
 

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Because in Naruto and Sasuke's case he was referring to his chakra, which Indra and Ashura were already born with.
He conflates power with what he gave Asura and what he gave Naruto and Sasuke. Indra and Asura were born with his powers, but not necessarily his chakra. Had Indra been in possession of his father's chakra he would have had the Rinnegan.

You can keep trying to twist manga scans to fit your idea, but Asura lost even though he had help from his father. It's poor writing on Kishi's part but a manga-fact nonetheless, Indra was apparently that strong. It might have been because he made so many jutsu's through corrupting Ninshuu and making Ninjutsu.
 

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He's clearly talking about giving Asura power. He says he entrusted EVERYTHING to Asura, whether it was Ninshuu or power, he left it all to Asura. The manga says Asura couldn't do things by himself which would explain how he tied with his brother. This time, to rectify his past mistake, he gives his power to Indra's last living descendant; Sasuke.
He clearly was talking about ninshuu.
If you read the manga correctly, you would know that Ashura awakened his powers.
 

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He clearly was talking about ninshuu.
If you read the manga correctly, you would know that Ashura awakened his powers.
If he gave Asura Ninshuu the first time, then why didn't he give Naruto and Sasuke Ninshuu? If Ninshuu is what he meant when he said power, then tell me why Naruto and Sasuke were not given Ninshuu. The manga did not state that Ninshuu grants the Rinnegan or Six Path's Senjutsu.
 

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There's this thing called BLOOD DILUTION. The same reason Uchiha can't use MS without blindness, the same reason Uchiha don't have Rikudou chakra like Indra, the same reason Hashirama doesn't have a chakra avatar.


Ashura's power was divided between Uzumaki and Senju like Hagoromo's was between him Indra. That coupled with centuries of human DNA being added to Otsutsuki lineage dissipated any remaining trace of Six Path power Hagoromo's children inherited.


Indra had a Sharingan powered by Rikudou chakra, Ashura had Six Path Senjutsu, transmigrants are born with just a portion of that power. The manga shows it and you can't disprove it.



Ashura was considered Indra's equal before that meaning he already possessed Six Path Senjutsu before Hagoromo chose a successor. The power he left was political power, being the leader of the Ninshu religion.
Ashura Indra's equal :lmao: nice fanfic.
Hogaromo gave a power ul its clear for anybody who reada the manga. And for confused souls like yourself kishi made it easy to underatand by mentioning it after giving power ups to both Sasuke amd Naruto. All the whole kbpwing what Sasuke was planning.
Ninshu has never been political power since it's a spiritual teaching. Hogaromo himself never held political power that's where the weight falls out from your fanfic.
Also nobody is born with 6psm since it's requirements are tailed beast chakra and it's not a kekkei genkai. That's where your argument falls flat on it's arse. So we see Ashura with 6psm which isn't a kekkei genkai and the sage confirms he gave power to Ashura therefore it's reasonable to conclude it was that.
Ashura's power was divided present the scan for your fanfic
 

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Ashura Indra's equal :lmao: nice fanfic.
Hogaromo gave a power ul its clear for anybody who reada the manga. And for confused souls like yourself kishi made it easy to underatand by mentioning it after giving power ups to both Sasuke amd Naruto. All the whole kbpwing what Sasuke was planning.
Ninshu has never been political power since it's a spiritual teaching. Hogaromo himself never held political power that's where the weight falls out from your fanfic.
Also nobody is born with 6psm since it's requirements are tailed beast chakra and it's not a kekkei genkai. That's where your argument falls flat on it's arse. So we see Ashura with 6psm which isn't a kekkei genkai and the sage confirms he gave power to Ashura therefore it's reasonable to conclude it was that.
Ashura's power was divided present the scan for your fanfic
Lol damn son
 

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If he gave Asura Ninshuu the first time, then why didn't he give Naruto and Sasuke Ninshuu? If Ninshuu is what he meant when he said power, then tell me why Naruto and Sasuke were not given Ninshuu. The manga did not state that Ninshuu grants the Rinnegan or Six Path's Senjutsu.
Ninshuu is a religion not a power, it ' s useless to debate with you, you are too bad a reader, I even wonder if you read the manga.
 

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There's this thing called BLOOD DILUTION. The same reason Uchiha can't use MS without blindness, the same reason Uchiha don't have Rikudou chakra like Indra, the same reason Hashirama doesn't have a chakra avatar.


Ashura's power was divided between Uzumaki and Senju like Hagoromo's was between him Indra. That coupled with centuries of human DNA being added to Otsutsuki lineage dissipated any remaining trace of Six Path power Hagoromo's children inherited.


Indra had a Sharingan powered by Rikudou chakra, Ashura had Six Path Senjutsu, transmigrants are born with just a portion of that power. The manga shows it and you can't disprove it.



Ashura was considered Indra's equal before that meaning he already possessed Six Path Senjutsu before Hagoromo chose a successor. The power he left was political power, being the leader of the Ninshu religion.
Indra had Indra eye's.
 

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Ninshuu is a religion not a power, it ' s useless to debate with you, you are too bad a reader, I even wonder if you read the manga.
He said that he gave power to Asura, so if Ninshuu was that power then why wasn't it given to Sasuke or Naruto. You were wrong the entire time, and rather than answering the question, you tell me something I already knew.
 

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He said that he gave power to Asura, so if Ninshuu was that power then why wasn't it given to Sasuke or Naruto. You were wrong the entire time, and rather than answering the question, you tell me something I already knew.
He never said that. I didn' t read the rest because you are lying on your first sentence.
 

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He never said that. I didn' t read the rest because you are lying on your first sentence.
You didn't read the rest because I told the truth in the first sentence? You read the rest and you know that it proves your entire argument wrong. I pity people who can't accept and move on from being wrong, it hurts your growth and makes you an unlikable person.

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You didn't read the rest because I told the truth in the first sentence? You read the rest and you know that it proves your entire argument wrong. I pity people who can't accept and move on from being wrong, it hurts your growth and makes you an unlikable person.

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Read my posts above just after reading the manga.
Edit:I pity lyers.
 
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