Why Sasuke Shouldn't Become Hokage

[Miriku]

Or more aptly titled, "Why breaking the cycle of hatred is a bad reason to make Sasuke Hokage."


I apologize if this thread has been done before (I know plenty of people are on either side of the 'Sasuke for Hokage' bandwagon) but I'm gonna summarize the argument from my point of view. It's always fun to read different perspectives, after all... Anyway.

To begin with, let's look at the cycle of hatred:

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Alright, so what the curse really seems to be is basically history, bad blood, and stigma passed down through the ages from generation to generation, just as most prejudices and biased worldviews are passed down in today's society. This is what makes it a "cycle" and a "curse" rather than just personal hatred.

So, this cycle was started because YoungerBro was chosen as the Rikudo Sage's successor instead of OlderBro. OlderBro was pissed, attacked the YoungerBro, continued being pissed, passed down his pissedness to his offspring, etc. etc.

The Uchiha's resentment was born out of believing themselves to have been brushed off and perhaps labeled inferior to the Senjus. Hence, the two clans fight and can't seem to get the hell over it.

Madara started out as a pretty okay dude...

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But he still got passed up on the Hokage front. Go figure. That's okay though, right? Since he was a pretty okay dude, I'm sure he'd take it well.

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..Or he could just go batshit crazy and turn evil. That's cool too.

As everyone can see, the cycle has continued and is paralleled through Madara and now, it seems, Sasuke.

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And now he wants to be Hokage, too. Just like Madara did. And remember, Madara had good reasons for wanting to be Hokage originally, too.

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This is where the "Sasuke should be Hokage because this will end the cycle of hatred" argument comes into play.

If Sasuke is made Hokage, the initial cause of the curse of hatred will have been rectified and put to rest. However, when you say that the damage done by something needs to be "fixed" or "rectified," it's implied that someone did something wrong or made a bad decision in the first place. Is this the case?

If the older brother had been chosen by the Rikudo Sage instead of the younger brother, would he have attacked and started a curse of hatred? No, I don't think he would have. Should the Rikudo Sage have chosen the older brother so that he wouldn't have lashed out in anger in the first place? No.

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There was a reason he chose the younger over the older in the first place, and the elder brother's deficiencies are what caused him to revolt in the first place.

WHY IS THIS IMPORTANT?

Because if we are to believe that the only way to end the cycle of hatred is to allow Sasuke to become Hokage, this is implying that Sasuke will continue the cycle of hatred if he is not allowed to do so. This means that he will turn into another Madara and become consumed with hatred and continue to lash out at the village. Picking Sasuke on that basis would be the equivalent of having the Rikudo Sage pick the older brother over the younger.

Fear of potential repercussions is not a good reason for appointing someone into a position of power.

The curse of hatred should be broken before Sasuke is ever anywhere near the position of Hokage and should be ultimately unrelated to achieving that title.

But wait. There's more to this curse of hatred, isn't there?

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Oh, boy. So that elder brother a long time ago wasn't entirely responsible for his actions. Apparently, the "Sage's eyes" have some genetically inherited special chakra attached to them. This special chakra is directly related to experiencing loss and mucks up their brain chemistry and causes extreme emotional instability. Huh, that sucks.

Well, in that case...

Maybe Sasuke does need to become Hokage to break his own cycle of hatred. Maybe he's not capable of doing it otherwise, and maybe he really would simply become another Madara.

Except Itachi and Shisui were capable of breaking out of the cycle of hatred on their own through the mythical power of love.

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So even with the maladaptive Uchiha genetics, there's still no reason to placate Sasuke with the title of Hokage in some misguided attempt to break the cycle. If he is made Hokage simply in an effort to rectify past "mistakes" and to prevent Sasuke from going crazy with hatred, the only thing being accomplished is a complete circumvention of the actual problem.

How will we know if Sasuke has really broken the cycle of hatred? Unfortunately, if Sasuke is made Hokage, we probably won't know.

In order for Sasuke to create his own path and not follow in Madara's footsteps, the answer is not for him to become Hokage. Instead of getting what he wants, Sasuke needs to be passed up for the Hokage title and accept this without turning evil. This is how Sasuke will be able to show personal growth. If Naruto passes up the title, Naruto is showing personal growth, not Sasuke.

But for the sake of argument, let's say that Sasuke gets to be Hokage and doesn't turn evil. That means the cycle of hatred is broken for good, right?

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Well, no, not really. Since this condition is genetic, there's no guarantee that another Uchiha down the line won't completely lose it after experiencing a great amount of loss. With this kind of condition, another 'curse of hatred' is highly likely to be started again eventually. It's a cycle of cycles.

There is no way to permanently break the Uchiha's "cycle of hatred" as it pertains to their special chakra. Any Uchiha who experiences loss will have to battle this descent into darkness, and let's be honest, their track record isn't looking too good.

I don't know if Itachi knew about the genetic part of the 'curse,' but he understood the overall effect and it likely factored into his decision to wipe out his clan.

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Controversial much? Well, considering we haven't cut off the reproductive abilities of mentally ill people yet (yay eugenics!), I'd say the morality of Itachi's decision is up for debate.

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IN CONCLUSION, IN CASE YOU STILL AREN'T TOTALLY CONVINCED THAT MAYBE LORD SASUKE SHOULDN'T BE HOKAGE... IN THE WORDS OF MY FRIEND:
XX: Sasuke's not a very good leader, imo.
XX: He recruits those three dudes
XX: And then fights every battle for himself
XX: And ditches the three when it's clear they're gonna get pwned

 

[Miriku]

Oh, Kishi will definitely do whatever he wants. Don't we all know it.

 

[Miyata]

lol in one sentence why not?

 

[NarutoB]

Oh, Kishi will definitely do whatever he wants. Don't we all know it.

Yeah let's have him do what you want instead.

 

[FreakensteinAG]

I'm sorry that no one else gives a crap about your thread and spams childish banter, I'll give this a shot.

The idea that Sasuke has to be denied the position of Hokage in order to break the cycle of hatred is an interesting point, something I haven't heard from yet. It's a unique idea. If he really wants to not let the village and his people be in vain, then he should be a part of the village in the best possible way. If he is denied the Hokage position and he accepts that and concedes the seat to whomever else, this is a step in the right direction. The Rikudou Sennin did not want the successor to be someone who would inflict power and fear over everyone to achieve Halcyon, because this is reflective of how the Juubi wanted to settle things. The best way is to have everyone understand each other psychologically and emotionally. Understand that "we don't have to be in this mess if we don't want to."

However, in reality, Sasuke is kinda the only Uchiha left who can still be affected by "the cycle of hatred". Madara is a flaky zombie, Obito's not going to last long, and Sasuke has the best chance of walking out of there a war hero. Unless Sasuke reproduces with the entire female population of Konoha, he's not going to "revive his clan" without messy inbreeding.

But maybe it's not like that. Maybe his perspective of "reviving his clan" isn't reproduction. Maybe it's instead "finally doing what's right and giving the Uchiha clan some honor".

 

[Chibiusa]

Do we honestly need an entire thread on why Sasuke shouldn't be Hokage? I mean, shouldn't this be obvious?

Are there ppl here who seriously believe Sasuke to be the best candidate?

 

[KonanAkatsuki]

I dont really think Masashi would make sasuke hokage i mean he might just have naruto and him battle it out or something

 

[Dantee]

Well it's kind of funny but to end the cycle of hatred maybe something else needs to be done instead of repeating it? Just a thought.

 

[Ldude]

Agreed dude, my Lord Sasuke should become hokage cause he's too boss for everyone else.

 

[Hypemaster]

He would make a bad hokage because he doesnt give a **** about his people

 

[FitzChivalry Farseer]

I really liked this thread since it shows that Sasuke has to find his own way in breaking the cycle of hatred. Does that mean he has to be a geneticist? Not entirely, if he can change his own being then I believe his good will will be passed down through the generations. However we have to take into account if he actually does want to do anything about it

 

[Ultimatum]

I don't see why people can't read your post. It flowed nicely and brought up some very nice and concise points. I agree wholeheartedly by the way. =D

 

[Untung]

So bad person going to be leader...and created another bad person......

 

[mikeeozua]

I wanted someone to say this. How can Sasuke break the curse if it's genetic?

 

[naruttebayo]

good read but what do you suggest of the sasuke's fate

 

[Miriku]

I'm sorry that no one else gives a crap about your thread and spams childish banter, I'll give this a shot.

Hah, well, it's the internet, what do you expect? I like reading long theories and discussion topics and so do other people... that's who these kinds of topics directed at. If people who aren't into them want to post and make quips, then that's their prerogative.

Sasuke is kinda the only Uchiha left who can still be affected by "the cycle of hatred". Madara is a flaky zombie, Obito's not going to last long, and Sasuke has the best chance of walking out of there a war hero. Unless Sasuke reproduces with the entire female population of Konoha, he's not going to "revive his clan" without messy inbreeding.

The Uchihas could eventually be repopulated somewhere down the road, depending on how dominant the Sharingan is supposed to be... but really, it only takes one crazy strong dude to screw stuff up, right?

good read but what do you suggest of the sasuke's fate

Ah, hard to say. Kishi could take it in a lot of directions.

1. Sasuke could already be out of the cycle of hatred.
A. He could become Hokage (with Naruto getting the development and Kishi declaring that the cycle of hatred has ended). Not a fan of this.
B. He could not end up as Hokage but be okay with this (thus walking a different path from Madara). Fan of this.
C. He could not end up as Hokage and get mad about it sometime in the future and enter back into the curse just like Madara. This isn't the 'Sasuke is currently evil' theory, though. He wouldn't turn 'evil' until after someone else was appointed Hokage and Tsunade would have to be dead. It'd have to be after the Juubi/Madara/Obtio were all defeated I think. I doubt this is a very likely scenario.

2. Sasuke could still be caught in the cycle of hatred and have already decided that Konoha wouldn't willingly appoint him as Hokage, and be planning to take it by force (somehow) and will still end up fighting Naruto. This would kinda coincide with the 'Sasuke wants to be the Juubi host/Sasuke is going to kill Tsunade' theories. In this scenario, he could still end up having a change of heart at the end after fighting Naruto and decide to not pursue it, bringing the story back to Scenario B.

In conclusion, I have no idea. If Kishi wants a final Naruto vs Sasuke fight, Option 2 would make the most sense. If he wants Sasuke to be good and stay good, A/B are equally likely, depending on your viewpoint. Kishi could still take a third option.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Yeah, I doubt Sasuke will become Hokage, too.

No one in the village likes or trusts him. A Hokage is supposed to be the support of the villagers, not someone to be afraid of.