Why sasuke is the weakest of the demi-god tier.

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Also being completely honest Kaguya, Hagoromo, 3 eyed Shinjuu Tree absorbed Madara are gods:|.

The only demi-gods present are Naruto & Sasuke who are roughly equal, however I cannot and will not try to stop other SB members from bashing you. Good Luck with that.

its not a big deal, i said feel free to disagree, this is all of course my opinion that i got from reading the manga. anybody has the right to disagree, specially sasuke fans.
 

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rinnegan experience alone will not help sasuke in these situations. you could try to explain if you want. how?

What are you saying how will it not? Sasuke already negged MAdaras strongest attack and Vote 2 Sasuke beats Madara by feats. I can see if you don't want to count bijuus in his arsenal but its definitely not cheating either. He negged his strongest attack(IT)as well, but what can NAruto really do against IT? Naruto really couldn't do a thing against Madara and the only thing stopping Sasuke from truly beating him at their 1st encounter was shadow clone jutsu and lack of sealing techs I.e Chibaku tensei. If Sasuke had more rinne experience he would use other techniques besides MS and Ameno. Human path, shinra tensei, preta path, hell the dimension swapping would have obviously helped alot too.
 

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Sasuke=Naruto<God tier (Hamura<Madara<Hagoromo<Kaguya)

Also arent the original Indra and Ashura in the Demi God tier?
 

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What are you saying how will it not? Sasuke already negged MAdaras strongest attack and Vote 2 Sasuke beats Madara by feats. I can see if you don't want to count bijuus in his arsenal but its definitely not cheating either. He negged his strongest attack(IT)as well, but what can NAruto really do against IT? Naruto really couldn't do a thing against Madara and the only thing stopping Sasuke from truly beating him at their 1st encounter was shadow clone jutsu and lack of sealing techs I.e Chibaku tensei. If Sasuke had more rinne experience he would use other techniques besides MS and Ameno. Human path, shinra tensei, preta path, hell the dimension swapping would have obviously helped alot too.

I already added 6 paths rinnegan to sasuke's arsenal, and dimension swapping, but dimension swapping doesn't really help unless he can do it on a kaguya scale, and i agree sasuke with bijuu's beats madara by feats, but logically madara would still stomp due to having more bijuu chakra access than sasuke + natural energy.

u have to understand what ever sasuke can do with the rinnegan in terms of the six paths jutsus (shinra tensei, human path ect..) madara can do the same and amplify with the juubi. so like I said it doesn't really help sasuke.

when it comes to naruto though, his speed and durability simply surpass sasuke's, naruto has dealt with rinnegan users before and has literally faced all paths, so again wouldn't be much help either.

Sasuke=Naruto<God tier (Hamura<Madara<Hagoromo<Kaguya)

Also arent the original Indra and Ashura in the Demi God tier?

didn't feel like adding indra and ashura. but yeah
 
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I already added 6 paths rinnegan to sasuke's arsenal, and dimension swapping, but dimension swapping doesn't really help unless he can do it on a kaguya scale, and i agree sasuke with bijuu's beats madara by feats, but logically madara would still stomp due to having more bijuu chakra access than sasuke + natural energy.

u have to understand what ever sasuke can do with the rinnegan in terms of the six paths jutsus (shinra tensei, human path ect..) madara can do the same and amplify with the juubi. so like I said it doesn't really help sasuke.

when it comes to naruto though, his speed and durability simply surpass sasuke's, naruto has dealt with rinnegan users before and has literally faced all paths, so again wouldn't be much help either.



didn't feel like adding indra and ashura. but yeah

Then since they both surpass the original Ashura and Indra wouldn't that put them above them :|
 

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I already added 6 paths rinnegan to sasuke's arsenal, and dimension swapping, but dimension swapping doesn't really help unless he can do it on a kaguya scale, and i agree sasuke with bijuu's beats madara by feats, but logically madara would still stomp due to having more bijuu chakra access than sasuke + natural energy.

u have to understand what ever sasuke can do with the rinnegan in terms of the six paths jutsus (shinra tensei, human path ect..) madara can do the same and amplify with the juubi. so like I said it doesn't really help sasuke.

when it comes to naruto though, his speed and durability simply surpass sasuke's, naruto has dealt with rinnegan users before and has literally faced all paths, so again wouldn't be much help either.


Dimension swapping stops him from getting stuck in Kaguyas dimensions. Sasukes sixth paths techniques help him negate Madaras abilities and Kaguya only knows dimension swapping. Madara can't even react to Ameno as well without limbo and those go away after a time. Vote 2 Sasuke could beat Madara.


YEt Naruto was caught by NAgato plenty of times and whenever NAruto faces against the 6 paths techniques directly he falters so that's pretty irrelevant at this point. All Sasuke needs to deal with Naruto is preta path and more rinne experience. Narutos RSM abilities have to due to with ability over techniques. He essentially gets buffed to the point of superheroism. The way you are comparing them isn't fair especially since Naruto gets negged by IT and Sasuke is completely immune to it. Theres a difference between their powers.
 

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Dimension swapping stops him from getting stuck in Kaguyas dimensions. Sasukes sixth paths techniques help him negate Madaras abilities and Kaguya only knows dimension swapping. Madara can't even react to Ameno as well without limbo and those go away after a time. Vote 2 Sasuke could beat Madara.


YEt Naruto was caught by NAgato plenty of times and whenever NAruto faces against the 6 paths techniques directly he falters so that's pretty irrelevant at this point. All Sasuke needs to deal with Naruto is preta path and more rinne experience. Narutos RSM abilities have to due to with ability over techniques. He essentially gets buffed to the point of superheroism. The way you are comparing them isn't fair especially since Naruto gets negged by IT and Sasuke is completely immune to it. Theres a difference between their powers.

The Naruto that was caught by Nagato plenty of times against six paths techniques was a Naruto that recently learned SM :|
Your beyond fapping/trolling if you honestly think anyone can beat JJ Madara aside from Kaguya, Hagoromo/Hamura
 

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The Naruto that was caught by Nagato plenty of times against six paths techniques was a Naruto that recently learned SM :|
Your beyond fapping/trolling if you honestly think anyone can beat JJ Madara aside from Kaguya, Hagoromo/Hamura

You mean KM Naruto against nerfed Edo NAagato with borrowed rinnegan. Whos trolling now?
 

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Amazing thread. I think more people should know about whatever you are saying because I didn't read.


TY and Sasuke solos.
 

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Dimension swapping stops him from getting stuck in Kaguyas dimensions. Sasukes sixth paths techniques help him negate Madaras abilities and Kaguya only knows dimension swapping. Madara can't even react to Ameno as well without limbo and those go away after a time. Vote 2 Sasuke could beat Madara.


YEt Naruto was caught by NAgato plenty of times and whenever NAruto faces against the 6 paths techniques directly he falters so that's pretty irrelevant at this point. All Sasuke needs to deal with Naruto is preta path and more rinne experience. Narutos RSM abilities have to due to with ability over techniques. He essentially gets buffed to the point of superheroism. The way you are comparing them isn't fair especially since Naruto gets negged by IT and Sasuke is completely immune to it. Theres a difference between their powers.

an incomplete madara couldn't react to ameno, and it was still useless, he limbo swapped the seal, and regenerated and laughed at sasuke's attacks. 2 eye madara completely brushed them off. kaguya used rinne sharingan to react to ameno, madara has the same.

a vote 2 sasuke does not beat madara, realistically madara has everything sasuke has plus more. all naruto needed was natural energy to deal with sasuke with bijuu's, madara has a lot more of it than naruto, put 2 and 2 together honestly.
already stated this in OP. scans are there too. you can disagree its No problem.

theres a big difference between KCM naruto facing nagato and RSM naruto that faced JJ madara and kaguya.

Rsm naruto would have no problem dealing with the 6 paths of rinnegan, unless they are amplified by the juubi like madara's and even then naruto had enough fire power to deal with madara's Chibaku tensei all at once. appose to sasuke that had to deal with each meteor individually.

Naruto has no counter to IT, and sasuke does you are right. BUT this isn't naruto vs everybody else in the top list, this is sasuke vs everybody else in the top list.

saying all sasuke needs is petra and experience to deal with rsm naruto is a big stretch when naruto was shown having

more speed

better reaction time

more raw power

better durability.

The only rinnegan user Naruto fought 1v1 was Pein, and we all know that it was a much weaker version of the 6paths. Nagato was negging him and B before Itachi stepped in.

Now considering how powerful basic jutsu like chidori become when used with PS, Sasuke's rinnegan techs would be on a whole new level. When Naruto fought Kaguya he was in his prime, now as we saw from the gaiden he is far from it.

Dimension swap is something Naruto can't counter, he has no ST jutsu.

Speed wise Sasuke is not far behind. His foot speed proved more than sufficient in Vote2 and with ameno he has the edge.

dimension swap is useless unless used on a kaguya scale.

I agree RSM naruto was at his prime vs kaguya, but give naruto a complete kurama and he's about x2 stronger.

what we saw in the kaguya fight was naruto going all out, we didn't get to see that in vote 2 till sasuke used bijuu's which naruto easily countered with some natural energy.

what ever way u put it naruto has the upper hand. idk how you guys can blabber so much about how sasuke beats everybody when literally the manga says other wise.

its all good though, u guys are entitled to your opinion, but as you can see every member whos not completely biased towards sasuke agree's with my thread.
 
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You seriously want to start a given powers game, cause I'm pretty sure Naruto is far worse.

Nah..that's not what i'm trying to do. What im sayin is the only reason i think people say Naruto had more power up is because of his different stages of kyuubi power he went threw but that power could have been activated at one time if he knew how to use it correctly. The only technique Naruto used in this entire manga/anime is the Rasengan and we see him train his *** off to learn. Everything he has he trained for an we see him doing so.
Sage mode was something he trained for..it was not a freebee, that's all he has in this manga an like i said he trained for them powers.

But Sasuke who's a main character as well who had little panel/screen time (That's Kishi's doing) in shippuden always manage to pop up on us and have new techniques that we don't see him train for. His taijutsu was copied and learned in a matter of hours, not training,Chidori was not his original idea but his master's at the time.. (but he did train for it) Cm is self explanatory, and that was Kuchinawa Sauke.
Those things i stated above was the things Sasuke needed training for or not much training for to achieve. To me Kuchinawa Sasuke is at his pinacal of his own power. Everything after KS is a give out not training or working for it.

That not a powers game that what the manga/anime shows us.


Kuchinawa is rotten rope another word for snake or hebi.
 

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You mean KM Naruto against nerfed Edo NAagato with borrowed rinnegan. Whos trolling now?
your still nitpicking at lower versions of Naruto that didn't fare well against 6 paths techniques, the same couldn't be said with RSM Naruto.
Nonetheless Naruto and much to your disbelief Sasuke both get beaten by JJ Madara. Anything beyond that is which one could last longer against him neither one is going to beat him and neither surpassed him.
 

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I'm actually pretty proud of this thread :blush:

Also i want people the understand i have no hate towards sasuke, he's my second favorite character.
 

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- Sasuke = Naruto. Kishi words.
- Madara wins, he was immortal.
- Kaguya wins, no explanation needed.
- Hagoromo wins, A thousand years of Rinnegan mastery.
 

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- Sasuke = Naruto. Kishi words.
- Madara wins, he was immortal.
- Kaguya wins, no explanation needed.
- Hagoromo wins, A thousand years of Rinnegan mastery.

sasuke with bijuu's is on par with naruto. with out them he gets beaten.
 
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