Why Sasuke is stronger than Minato (Alive)

[Bogard]

None of that has ever been implied nor does that explain why when he was alive he wasn't able to teleport the same amount of chakra.

Where have you seen Minato incapable to teleport such an attack while alive? Are you just trying not to understand on purpose?

Do you even english? He said "A weak Genjutsu that doesn't last long" He was refering to the Genjutsu that Sasuke used, not his Genjutsu abilities.

Why would he use a weak genjutsu that doesn't last long if he could use a better one? Sasuke used the best genjutsu in his arsenal. Like Obito said, he knew it was weak, but the important is to know how to use that weak genjutsu in his arsenal. It's that genjutsu that was called weak. You can even notice that even at the first attempt on Danzo, the genjutsu got released pretty quickly. It's Sasuke's best. He can't make stronger/longer genjutsus

 

[The Necromancer]

Why would he use a weak genjutsu that doesn't last long if he could use a better one? Sasuke used the best genjutsu in his arsenal. It's that genjutsu that was called weak. You can even notice that even at the first attempt on Danzo, the genjutsu got released pretty quickly. It's Sasuke's best. He can't make stronger/longer genjutsus

Because he was out of chakra obviously... He took out a genjutsu user with genjutsu alone. He's a very adept genjutsu user.

 

[Bogard]

Because he was out of chakra obviously... He took out a genjutsu user with genjutsu alone. He's a very adept genjutsu user.

Chakra is not an excuse, like i've said

You can even notice that even at the first attempt on Danzo, the genjutsu got released pretty quickly

Sasuke himself knows his genjutsus are weak. Reason why he attempted to strike the time his genjutsu could last

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[Blunt]

Where have you seen Minato incapable to teleport such an attack while alive? Are you just trying not to understand on purpose?

Why would he use a weak genjutsu that doesn't last long if he could use a better one? Sasuke used the best genjutsu in his arsenal. Like Obito said, he knew it was weak, but the important is to know how to use that weak genjutsu in his arsenal. It's that genjutsu that was called weak. You can even notice that even at the first attempt on Danzo, the genjutsu got released pretty quickly. It's Sasuke's best. He can't make stronger/longer genjutsus

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[The Necromancer]

Chakra is not an excuse, like i've said

Sasuke himself knows his genjutsus are weak. Reason why he attempted to strike the time his genjutsu could last

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Of course chakra matters... really? And danzo was impressed with sasuke's genjutsu prowess, however stated that he was still inferior to itachi (because no genjutsu user is on par with itachi's) Not to mention that if it weren't for the previously placed seal, that genjutsu would have been more than enough of an opening for sasuke to kill him. But of course, you'll never admit that you were wrong, ESPECIALLY in a minato related thread. So i'll leave it at that.

 

[Bogard]

Of course chakra matters... really? And danzo was impressed with sasuke's genjutsu prowess, however stated that he was still inferior to itachi (because no genjutsu user is on par with itachi's) Not to mention that if it weren't for the previously placed seal, that genjutsu would have been more than enough of an opening for sasuke to kill him. But of course, you'll never admit that you were wrong, ESPECIALLY in a minato related thread. So i'll leave it at that.

He was imperssed by the use of his weak genjutsu, not the power of it. What is so hard to understand i don't even get it. I proved you wrong, now you want to tell me it's me the one who don't want to admit i'm wrong. That's a poor excuse

 

[headbanger666]

Remember when MInato teleported the kyubi somewhere else?? he will do the same with sasuke with his susano'o and then thats it. Sasuke would be worn out by coming back to the original battlefield. Abilities are useless if one doesn't know to use them properly.
And stop this " LORD SASUKE IS THE BEST SHINOBI IN NARUTO!! HE SOLO'D THE JUUBI AND NOW CAN DEFEAT THE PREVIOUS LEAF'S KAGES" shit. Minato wasn't chosen to be a Hokage for no reason.
And about Susano', continuos use of it wears down chakra and just because Sasuke has the EMS doesn't really mean he has unlimited supply of chakra. All minato needs to do is throw kunais and seals all over the place and wait till Sasuke gets mad and attacks. And its game over.

P.S: you Sasuke fanboys are pissing alot of the members off! -_-

 

[Gakido]

Where have you seen Minato incapable to teleport such an attack while alive? Are you just trying not to understand on purpose?

Where have you seen Minato leleport an attack like when he was alive would be a better question?

Why would he use a weak genjutsu that doesn't last long if he could use a better one? Sasuke used the best genjutsu in his arsenal. Like Obito said, he knew it was weak, but the important is to know how to use that weak genjutsu in his arsenal. It's that genjutsu that was called weak. You can even notice that even at the first attempt on Danzo, the genjutsu got released pretty quickly. It's Sasuke's best. He can't make stronger/longer genjutsus

Chakra conservation. MS Genjutsu is chakra taxing as Sasuke is panting after using one here (

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) On top of that he had already been uinsg Susano'O for 10 Minutes, he was low on chakra.

Second part of your argument is a load. Pure speculation that hasn't been implied and already been proven wrong.

Remember when MInato teleported the kyubi somewhere else?? he will do the same with sasuke with his susano'o and then thats it. Sasuke would be worn out by coming back to the original battlefeild. Abilities are useless if one doesn't know to use it properly.
And stop this " LORD SASUKE IS THE BEST SHINOBI IN NARUTO!! HE SOLO'D THE JUUBI AND NOW CAN DEFEAT THE PREVIOUS LEAF'S KAGES" shit. Minato wasn't chosen to be a Hokage for no reason.
And about Susano', continuos use of it wears down chakra and just because Sasuke has the EMS doesn't really mean he has unlimited supply of chakra. All minato needs to do is throw kunais and seals all over the place and wait till Sasuke gets mad and attacks. And its game over.

P.S: you Sasuke fanboys are pissing alot of the members off! -_-

Not even a Sasuke fan. Naruto's the real reason that attack was so strong, and I dont even like him.

 

[Bogard]

Where have you seen Minato leleport an attack like when he was alive would be a better question?

And where have you seen him incapable to? You are the one who stated he can't so you're the one who should prove yourself unless you already know it's baseless, reason why you can't. He already warped Kyubi's large Bijuudama without even sweating all that after a night of trying to hold the Kyubi inside Kushina or Ftg'ing from places to places

Chakra conservation. MS Genjutsu is chakra taxing as Sasuke is panting after using one here (

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) On top of that he had already been uinsg Susano'O for 10 Minutes, he was low on chakra.

Second part of your argument is a load. Pure speculation that hasn't been implied and already been proven wrong.

It's not a speculation. You people really need to know how to read thru lines. Obito said it here again. Sasuke knew his genjutsu can't last long, but he knew he had to use genjutsu for his strategy to work even if he knew it wouldn't last long

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[The Necromancer]

And where have you seen him incapable to? You are the one who stated he can't so you're the one who should prove yourself unless you already know it's baseless, reason why you can't. He already warped Kyubi's large Bijuudama without even sweating all that after a night of trying to hold the Kyubi inside Kushina or Ftg'ing from places to places

It's not a speculation. You people really need to know how to read thru lines. Obito said it here again. Sasuke knew his genjutsu can't last long, but he knew he had to use genjutsu for his strategy to work even if he knew it wouldn't last long

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This debate has gotten out of hand. The fact remains that even sasuke's weak ass genjutsu would have been enough of an opening to take danzo down had it not been for the seal already placed on him. As minato has no greater feat of taking on genjutsu than danzo, it would stand to reason that it would be enough of an opening for sasuke to take down minato as well, especially if he used paralysis genjutsu, or even any other genjutsu he's used throughout the series besides the danzo fight.

 

[Bogard]

This debate has gotten out of hand. The fact remains that even sasuke's weak ass genjutsu would have been enough of an opening to take danzo down had it not been for the seal already placed on him. As minato has no greater feat of taking on genjutsu than danzo, it would stand to reason that it would be enough of an opening for sasuke to take down minato as well.

Except Minato isn't Danzo. His insight is so great that he could probably instantly recognise the difference in details if he gets caught in a genjutsu and thus breaking it instantly(he has one of the best chakra control in this manga). The kai release is know by

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so let alone high kage level like Minato. Not only that, but Minato also knows how to fight a sharingan user, reason why he avoided eye contact while entering in close range with Tobi

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[Gakido]

And where have you seen him incapable to? You are the one who stated he can't so you're the one who should prove yourself unless you already know it's baseless, reason why you can't. He already warped Kyubi's large Bijuudama without even sweating all that after a night of trying to hold the Kyubi inside Kushina or Ftg'ing from places to places

Thats not how a debate works. Your asking me to prove a negative, your trying to prove a positive. The proof of burden is on you.

It's not a speculation. You people really need to know how to read thru lines. Obito said it here again. Sasuke knew his genjutsu can't last long, but he knew he had to use genjutsu for his strategy to work even if he knew it wouldn't last long

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That still has nothing to do with his overall ability. He had to use a weak genjutsu because thats all the chakra he had, and thats all he needed.

 

[The Necromancer]

Except Minato isn't Danzo. His insight is so great that he could probably instantly recognise the difference in details if he gets caught in a genjutsu and thus breaking it instantly(he has one of the best chakra control in this manga). The kai release is know by

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so let alone high kage level like Minato. Not only that, but Minato also knows how to fight a sharingan user, reason why he avoided eye contact while entering in close range with Tobi

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Did he now? The rest is speculation to cover your ass. Minato is featless against genjutsu, just like danzo was, so there's no inferring on how he'll handle it.

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[ar1987]

Minato ftw

 

[Gakido]

Did he now? The rest is speculation to cover your ass. Minato is featless against genjutsu, just like danzo was, so there's no inferring on how he'll handle it.

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Hes just going to say that he knew Tobi was transparent and wouldn't be genjutsu'd.

 

[Bogard]

Thats not how a debate works. Your asking me to prove a negative, your trying to prove a positive. The proof of burden is on you.

Lmao why are you saying Minato can't warp Juubi's Bijuudama while alive then when he actually did it in the manga?

That still has nothing to do with his overall ability. He had to use a weak genjutsu because thats all the chakra he had, and thats all he needed.

Did you even bother looking at the panel where Obito explains it? It was the mini-FB of the first genjutsu attempt on Danzo. So he was referring to that obviously and at that moment he had no problem in chakra. You're just continuing to make excuses

Did he now? The rest is speculation to cover your ass. Minato is featless against genjutsu, just like danzo was, so there's no inferring on how he'll handle it.

And we have never seen Minato getting caught by a genjutsu, so why do you think he would be? If elite and even some genin ninjas(Sakura or Shikamaru) knows how to break genjutsu(with kai release), you really think a Kage level can't?

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[The Necromancer]

Hes just going to say that he knew Tobi was transparent and wouldn't be genjutsu'd.

I'm sure he will, because there's no evidence as support and that would be the perfect explanation to defend his favorite character.

 

[Minator93]

Did he now? The rest is speculation to cover your ass. Minato is featless against genjutsu, just like danzo was, so there's no inferring on how he'll handle it.

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U_U

 

[The Necromancer]

Lmao why are you saying Minato can't warp Juubi's Bijuudama while alive then when he actually did it in the manga?

Did you even bother looking at the panel where Obito explains it? It was the mini-FB of the first genjutsu attempt on Danzo. So he was referring to that obviously and at that moment he had no problem in chakra. You're just continuing to make excuses

And we have never seen Minato getting caught by a genjutsu, so why do you think he would be? If elite and even some genin ninjas(Sakura or Shikamaru) knows how to break genjutsu(with kai release), you really think a Kage level can't?

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Orochimaru, the man who derived the means of unlocking the rinnegan with no prior knowledge was caught in a sharingan genjutsu, the ONE thing he should have info on, yet all his knowledge and "elite status" didn't break him out or give him immunity.

Secondly the kunai would not have gone through tobi's eye, and kamui doesn't negate tobi's ability to use genjutsu, as kurama remained in genjutsu while he teleported in and out of the kamui dimension and used intangibility. I guess you disregarded sasuke's ability to use genjutsu at a distance without eye contact i guess too.

 

[Gakido]

Lmao why are you saying Minato can't warp Juubi's Bijuudama while alive then when he actually did it in the manga?

Because how much chakra FTG takes to teleport is proportional to how much is being teleported, and Minato has no feat of teleporting something of that calibur which is alive. Edo affecting Chakra backs this up, and you have no evidence of otherwise. Just speculation which goes against Madara's statement.

Did you even bother looking at the panel where Obito explains it? It was the mini-FB of the first genjutsu attempt on Danzo. So he was referring to that obviously and at that moment he had no problem in chakra. You're just continuing to make excuses

Then why not keep using Susano'O if there was no chakra problem? He was low on chakra.

And we have never seen Minato getting caught by a genjutsu, so why do you think he would be? If elite and even some genin ninjas(Sakura or Shikamaru) knows how to break genjutsu(with kai release), you really think a Kage level can't?

In his one fight against a person thats capable of Genjutsu he wasn't put in a Genjutsu. Bravo.