[Discussion] Why Sasuke can't win although he think he's stronger.

[Faiznarmi]

So this thread were supposedly to be a reply but it got closed so I'll post it here for discussion.

So yeah, I want to give my opinion on why Sasuke can't win although he's stronger OR think that he's stronger than Naruto.
At first when Madara were introduced, you'd be thinking, Madara with EMS and Kurama can obliterate Hashirama easily.
But it's not the case, and in fact he lose to Hashi 3 times (no offense, i'm a devoted fan of Maddy here.)
It's not the plot, actually it relies much on the nature of that power Sasuke receives.
Willing bijuu > unwilling ones.
Why I say this ?
Uchiha always use Tailed Beast as their tool (or rather, Kyuubi until recent chapter)
But in both cases, they lose to someone because they think that their opponent is weaker simply because they gain control of a massive chakra beast.
That's why you see Naruto obliterate (idk the suitable word) Kaguya, it's simply because the bijuus are willing to cooperate, hence greater chakra gain (or power focused on an attack)
If they're dragged on without be willing to even use their full power, then Sasuke, can't defeat Naruto because he thinks as long as he gains control of bijuu, he'll get their full power.
Technically he needs the power of cooperation to gain perfect control of the bijuus' chakra, which is not going to happen any sooner.
For those who were about to ask that wdf Hashi cooperate with, we can safely assume that it's like Ashura.

 

[miino]

Talk no Jutsu always solo

 

[ᖇ α z m α η]

Unity > Solitary .​

 

[HENI]

Sasuke has the power of cooperation. Sharingan + Rinnegan = Coop

 

[Faiznarmi]

Sasuke has the power of cooperation. Sharingan + Rinnegan = Coop

But all that and you're still doing it alone.
It has been foreshadowed along with the course of Naruto.
Itachi, Obito and a few others that I fodderized (can't remember) said that doing everything alone is a huge mistake.

 

[Liquid Snake]

Sasuke won't win because Naruto is stronger with his senjutsu

 

[HENI]

But all that and you're still doing it alone.
It has been foreshadowed along with the course of Naruto.
Itachi, Obito and a few others that I fodderized (can't remember) said that doing everything alone is a huge mistake.

Sasuke will have to do this alone because he wants hatred all pointed to himself

 

[Faiznarmi]

Talk no Jutsu always solo

Talk no jutsu is irrelevant on Sasuke, Madara and Kaguya.
Notice the similar pattern ?
They all lost something valuable.
Madara = brothers and the trust of his clan,
Sasuke = his whole family and clan,
Kaguya = her chakra and her sons betrayal towards her.
I did not include Obito in this simply because he's a parallel to Naruto, but not those three.
This can't be solved with TnJ, it's better to carve into Saske's mind that it's better to cooperate by beating his ass up.

Sasuke will have to do this alone because he wants hatred all pointed to himself

He wants to bear the hatred, but could he ?
Too much power corrupts, and I don't think he wants that either.
He wants to be another Madara's name bearer.
Do you know what happen to those 2 bearers ?
They all failed, and the same fate is going to be casted upon him.
Because he didn't believe in the power of true cooperation, meaning that they're WILLING to cooperate, not forcing them to cooperate by branding himself as another Madara.

 

[Lyke]

because naruto is the main charater

 

[1Told]

Sasuke need psychological assistance asap, no wonder he's into starting a revolution = doing the same bs again instead of thinking about a real evolution for the best.
he could be a boss if he use his brain correctly for once :eww:

 

[Flaming Amaterasu]

There's only one problem with your conjecture there... Madara was not defeated by Hashi. Anyway, Sasuke was always naturally stronger than naruto until the mid war arc where his buddy kurama decided to give him access to his full power, putting him on par with sasuke once again, and now with all the tailed beasts chakra plus ashura's chakra awakened in him, he is once again on par with sasuke.

But Sasuke had enough of his childish dreams and decided to use all of his pals as his pets to force him to get serious and to try and kill him, but since naruto cannot kill him, there's only a few thing that will happen, and that among them is the fight being stopped somehow or the both of them ko'ing each other.

 

[FreeTanner17]

There's only one problem with your conjecture there... Madara was not defeated by Hashi. Anyway, Sasuke was always naturally stronger than naruto until the mid war arc where his buddy kurama decided to give him access to his full power, putting him on par with sasuke once again, and now with all the tailed beasts chakra plus ashura's chakra awakened in him, he is once again on par with sasuke.

But Sasuke had enough of his childish dreams and decided to use all of his pals as his pets to force him to get serious and to try and kill him, but since naruto cannot kill him, there's only a few thing that will happen, and that among them is the fight being stopped somehow or the both of them ko'ing each other.

Are you retarded? Hashirama destroyed madara and finished him. The only reason Madara came back was cause of the izanagi. And even than he needed hashis dna and the gedo mazou. You are an idiot. There were several occasions when Madara was defeated.

 

[Flaming Amaterasu]

Are you retarded? Hashirama destroyed madara and finished him. The only reason Madara came back was cause of the izanagi. And even than he needed hashis dna and the gedo mazou. You are an idiot. There were several occasions when Madara was defeated.

No, Hashi did not "destroy Madara". In case you have forgotten, they both were nearly dead and exhausted after that fight. Madara's goal was getting hashi's dna in that fight to begin with, so of course he pre-programmed his sharingan to activate just in case hashi pulled one over him, in which he did, which was stabbing him from behind to try and kill him.

Madara only lost once to Hashi, and that was when he first obtained his eternal mangekyou. Get your facts straight, you neanderthal.

 

[Aznkidd]

I dont get it, people always comes up with stupid idea, if sasuke does the same way u wanted then he is no longer the same as he is right now. I bet if sasuke win and kill naruto and story ended in shitty way, all of you will say wtf, shitty manga bla bla bla

 

[Trea]

Can we please stop with the name calling? Is it really necessary? I think they are probably equal in power, which is what Kishi has continually set out to do. He always levels them out at some point. The reason why Sasuke seems to be more powerful than Naruto is that Sasuke does not hesitate to use his power because power matters to him above all else.

Naruto, on the other hand, only uses his power when absolutely necessary, if he thinks he can win without it he won't use it. He uses it when necessary because there are other things that are more important to him than power. At the beginning of the war he was using the cloak too much and wasting chakra, but that was not to show off, it was because he felt like he had to do everything and protect everyone. After meeting up with Itachi and Nagato and talking with him his attitude changed.

Sasuke thinks he has more power than Naruto and as sheer power goes, he probably does, but Naruto has an inner strength that Sasuke can never have because Naruto fights for more than just himself and for more than just power. He inherited Hashi's will.

 

[Flaming Amaterasu]

Can we please stop with the name calling? Is it really necessary? I think they are probably equal in power, which is what Kishi has continually set out to do. He always levels them out at some point. The reason why Sasuke seems to be more powerful than Naruto is that Sasuke does not hesitate to use his power because power matters to him above all else.

Naruto, on the other hand, only uses his power when absolutely necessary, if he thinks he can win without it he won't use it. He uses it when necessary because there are other things that are more important to him than power. At the beginning of the war he was using the cloak too much and wasting chakra, but that was not to show off, it was because he felt like he had to do everything and protect everyone. After meeting up with Itachi and Nagato and talking with him his attitude changed.

Sasuke thinks he has more power than Naruto and as sheer power goes, he probably does, but Naruto has an inner strength that Sasuke can never have because Naruto fights for more than just himself and for more than just power. He inherited Hashi's will.

QFT. Thank you for pointing out how naruto fights more for others than himself, hence where his true power comes from, in which equates to enabling him to battle Sasuke. Smartest post in this entire convoluted mess of a thread.

 

[UzumakiRyu]

Sasuke has the power of cooperation. Sharingan + Rinnegan = Coop

Na those two = Control. Not Cooperation. Your stupid if you think otherwise. Your logic actually is probably due to your Avatar. Nuff Said.

 

[Flaming Amaterasu]

Na those two = Control. Not Cooperation. Your stupid if you think otherwise. Your logic actually is probably due to your Avatar. Nuff Said.

And your logic is due to yours, ironically enough.

 

[UzumakiRyu]

And your logic is due to yours, ironically enough.

Logically, You cannot define someone cooperating if they are being forced to do whatever the person controlling them through in this case "The Sharinnegan", So therefore by this definition it is like I said Control.

So you choose Idiocy. Good for you.

 

[Flaming Amaterasu]

Logically, You cannot define someone cooperating if they are being forced to do whatever the person controlling them through in this case "The Sharinnegan", So therefore by this definition it is like I said Control.

So you choose Idiocy. Good for you.

I choose idiocy? This is coming from a naruto fanboy who cannot comprehend that naruto is not the best nor is he stronger or better than Sasuke. This is gold coming from you, where as many people like immortal and blaze storm have easily debunked you and other glorified idiots on here of the whole naruto > Sasuke thing or the whole holding back nonsense.

Sasuke did not require any outside help during any of his battles, naruto did his entire life. Sasuke decided to use the beasts as his pets to force naruto to try and kill him, naruto needed cooperation, sasuke does not need cooperation, he can take things by force. That is the difference between them as established by many.

Your profile pic symbolizes your ignorance, immaturity, and unwillingness to accept the facts. Bravo.