[Discussion] why ppl underestimate SM naruto??

[Nature Sage]

Let's go by the universal definition, and not definitions that we make up.​

strength

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noun
1.
the quality or state of being strong; bodily or muscular power; vigor.

Sakura is not using bodily or muscular power, she is using her skill in chakra control to pinpoint chakra in order to make blows more powerful. This is not her base strength.​

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However on the other hand, Sage Mode (Not just Naruto's) enhances
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senses and skills (Which includes bodily and muscular power).​

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repost... Please go by fact/proof.

 

[valandil988]

Hashirama stomps. Naruto has no counter. Good analysis though.

True even if Naruto did make big Ninjutsu constructs like Onoki and Hashirama he would be less experienced in their use.

I also think everyone underestimates hows stupidly chakra intensive the rasenshuriken actually is for jutsu especially with regards to how mach damage it can do. In that sense its incredibly limited, small area of damage vs a Massive chakra requirement. Nobody else but Naruto could likely use it and even then I would bet that Hashirama could only use it once per Sage mode charge. Its also one of the worst jutsu to use in Sage mode....it discharges all the senjutsu the user has created, Shinsuusenju creates a sustained construct that Hashirama can manipulate with his chakra...IE he doesnt lose all his chakra in a meaningless puff of rock and smoke.

Naruto can only use it twice still using base SM, so his chakra capacity hasn't increased all that much since the pain arc.

 

[ANiMUS]

True even if Naruto did make big Ninjutsu constructs like Onoki and Hashirama he would be less experienced in their use.

I also think everyone underestimates hows stupidly chakra intensive the rasenshuriken actually is for jutsu especially with regards to how mach damage it can do. In that sense its incredibly limited, small area of damage vs a Massive chakra requirement. Nobody else but Naruto could likely use it and even then I would bet that Hashirama could only use it once per Sage mode charge. Its also one of the worst jutsu to use in Sage mode....it discharges all the senjutsu the user has created, Shinsuusenju creates a sustained construct that Hashirama can manipulate with his chakra...IE he doesnt lose all his chakra in a meaningless puff of rock and smoke.

Naruto can only use it twice still using base SM, so his chakra capacity hasn't increased all that much since the pain arc.

I can see where you are coming from. In terms of chakra efficiency FRS is a waste. Though it is literally a one hit kill jutsu. Sad thing is it has no defense nursing feats, I mean though Kakuzu was dealt extensive damage when hit he was still in one piece. So FRS isn't as destructive as many believe. Even v1 susanoo should be able to tank it low diff.

 

[osba]

because it has been too long and, since sage mode is not the strongest asset naruto has these days, is regarded fodder by the general mass.

 

[Johndoesknowall]

I still think sm naruto would give ems sasuke a lil good fight

It wouldn't be a good fight at all. It's debatable to even say they are equal in SM vs MS. It's clear Sasuke in MS has the advantage over SM Naruto.

From what we've seen with Sasuke's EMS, it's one sided and not a match at all.


Sasuke EMS has shown:
No pain and lesser prep time with amaterasu
enhance and improved susanoo/with legs

just these are the main reasons for Naruto SM being demolished

 

[Flawž]

SM naruto > sakura.

SM naruto > MS sasuke.

 

[AzR]

even the current SM mode is not that complete... what would happen if pa and fuse with him..

 

[Floydical]

Any sage mode automatically puts you beyond kage level.

 

[valandil988]

I can see where you are coming from. In terms of chakra efficiency FRS is a waste. Though it is literally a one hit kill jutsu. Sad thing is it has no defense nursing feats, I mean though Kakuzu was dealt extensive damage when hit he was still in one piece. So FRS isn't as destructive as many believe. Even v1 susanoo should be able to tank it low diff.

I would agree, that's why I still feel like Naruto has been completely shafted in the Jutsu department... Honestly Frog kumite is better than FRS as its in-detectable and it can't be blocked.....FRS you bloody see it coming....and everyone can basically dodge it...hell there's no need to tank it Sasuke could likely dodge it considering his own speed.

Honestly sustained jutsu like Lighting armor or Sasunoo or Wood human or rock golem etc etc etc are far more useful when used with sage mode as it will increase the potency of the technique but it doesn't rely on ONE shot, IE Naruto is finished after two shots of FRS compared to these other jutsu where..."HELL I MISSED! Oh well just try again" < =_=

Besides FRS prolly isn't as strong as its hyped to be the third raikage tanked it np....

Thats the reason SM naruto is soo underrated he doesn't have techs to show off. I also hate how Naruto has turned back into a reliant noob, he relies on Kurama for everything now...so sad. What happened to hard work on his own back?

 

[Honord Sage]

Naruto stop a Giant Rhino charge with His bare hands and toss It up in the air very far,Sakura chakra is only focus at the point of impact so she can only use strength in a punch or kick, not to stop a charging animal by wrestling it to the grown or squeezing it to unconsciousness. Thats why you only see Her kick or punch an opponent. If a super strong person had Her in a Bear hug She be in trouble,She would need to use Her chakra scalpel to escape sines She can't yet use Her chakra the way Tsunade dose for Her hole body,that takes years of more training. Maybe in a few more years for She needs to learn to use chakra in every mussel at the same time.

 

[Mr Hiru]

Who wants some popcorn? This thread is hilarious Lol

PS: No point comparing SM Naruto to Byakugou Sakura. While the first one use momentum the last one uses impulse.

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[valandil988]

Who wants some popcorn? This thread is hilarious Lol

PS: No point comparing SM Naruto to Byakugou Sakura. While the first one use momentum the last one uses impulse.

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I think your getting confused; the more you reduce the time a blow takes to connect solidly the impulse increases this means said person is faster, IE they punch faster. Momentum is the weight/mass of a blow so arguable neither of them use Impulse only momentum.

Cars reduce impulse with crumple zones by increasing the time it takes for a crash to occur. IE it slows the blow down.

You could say SM naruto uses Impulse (Referance when he took down a pain body in a moment) but Sakura definitely uses momentum (Lol even using physics terms here is dumb). She simply has no speed feats to convince me she uses impulse. If anything Sakura has a punch exploding technique. Charges chakra in a fist then discharges it, its not real physical might just chakra shenanigans.

If you want to apply physics, every time Sakura punches anything she should fly into the sky by about a hundred feet.....=_= unless she has lead for bones

 

[Retsu]

I think your getting confused; the more you reduce the time a blow takes to connect solidly the impulse increases this means said person is faster, IE they punch faster. Momentum is the weight/mass of a blow so arguable neither of them use Impulse only momentum.

Cars reduce impulse with crumple zones by increasing the time it takes for a crash to occur. IE it slows the blow down.

You could say SM naruto uses Impulse (Referance when he took down a pain body in a moment) but Sakura definitely uses momentum (Lol even using physics terms here is dumb). She simply has no speed feats to convince me she uses impulse. If anything Sakura has a punch exploding technique. Charges chakra in a fist then discharges it, its not real physical might just chakra shenanigans.

If you want to apply physics, every time Sakura punches anything she should fly into the sky by about a hundred feet.....=_= unless she has lead for bones

I agree with this, Sakura has no real strength, she basically has punches laced with dynamite, until she picks up something huge, she basically has nuclear brassknuckles.

 

[Itachi75]

a fodder can solo sakura because an attack that fodders dodged sakura couldn't
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that being said, sM naruto isn't really that strong, i mean we just saw a blind madara curbstomp him. SM naruto isn't even top 20.
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but that being said he is still really a BAMF so there

 

[VolatileSoul]

You say Sasuke fapboys, but this thread is just jerking off to Naruto. Not to mention the thread had nothing to do with ability, but physical strength, and Sakura is indeed stronger.

 

[valandil988]

You say Sasuke fapboys, but this thread is just jerking off to Naruto. Not to mention the thread had nothing to do with ability, but physical strength, and Sakura is indeed stronger.

Sakura has chakra enhanced strength IE not physical strength she doesn't lift massive mountains or anything. She breaks shit into even smaller bits of shit. Its like she punch-splodes stuff its not strength in the conventional sense.

 

[UnrealSoul]

What a naruto wank thread by an idiot who couldn't possibly read the first post of another thread. This popcorn good though....

 

[B00m]

Not this guy. The 3rd Raikage scene is the one I always think of. I always say Sage Mode is the best "jutsu" in the series.

 

[flyboyissac]

Dat even more crazyz

 

[Mr Hiru]

I think your getting confused; the more you reduce the time a blow takes to connect solidly the impulse increases this means said person is faster, IE they punch faster. Momentum is the weight/mass of a blow so arguable neither of them use Impulse only momentum.

Cars reduce impulse with crumple zones by increasing the time it takes for a crash to occur. IE it slows the blow down.

You could say SM naruto uses Impulse (Referance when he took down a pain body in a moment) but Sakura definitely uses momentum (Lol even using physics terms here is dumb). She simply has no speed feats to convince me she uses impulse. If anything Sakura has a punch exploding technique. Charges chakra in a fist then discharges it, its not real physical might just chakra shenanigans.

If you want to apply physics, every time Sakura punches anything she should fly into the sky by about a hundred feet.....=_= unless she has lead for bones

Momentum is as simple as how hard is to move something. Wrestling uses momentum, and he used it vs Kakashi, Kyuubi, Pain's beasts. Naruto used momentum way more times than Sakura in a single battle.

Impulse is the variation of momentum inside a delta time. This is exactly what happens when you deal a karate blow in a precise moment, just like Sakura does with her chakra-charged punches. She did this fighting Kakashi, Sasori, Zetsu, Juubi, etc etc. She used this more times than Naruto in a single battle.

I'm not confused at all o_o. I'm objective. Do Sakura need to be fast to increase impulse? I don't think so... Impulse is Force * delta_time, so if she increases force, that will increase impulse as well.