it's ironic that you mention what Naruto wouldn't supposedly be able to do against a Madara with 1 eye as opposed to what Sasuke would be able to do and not point out the fact that up to the moment, Naruto was the only one of the 2 that actually did significant dmg to Madara. Madara didn't sweat being bisected at all. Sasuke literally hasn't done anything significant against said Madara at all despite all of his barking about how he was going to make Madara regret having a flesh and blood body.using this logic Sasuke lost against Ei, Gaara, and their bodyguards at the summit since he ran away from them to survive. The difference between that situation and the subject in question is that Madara had every intention to return. It was no different a situation than when he left the battlefield with Izuna and returned only moments later. Saying Madara had to run away to survive would imply Madara was afraid of Sasuke. And that is pretty freaking laughable.
It may be laughable, but it was true. He was afraid, as he knew he would lose, which is why he went to retrieve his second eye, so that he could get more power.
he went to get the other Rinnegan to ensure victory, not because he was afraid. Being cautious and protecting himself from becoming overconfident with the one he had =/= him being afraid. It's pretty laughable because the only one of the 2 who actually made him wear a look of fear was Naruto, moments before the latter one shotted Madara. What you claim is hardly true.
Stop denying the manga, fanboy.
It is clear that madara ran away from sasuke because he didn't stand a chance against him. It was further confirmed when sasuke cut his body in half and the only thing madara could do was steal kakashi's sharingan and escape through kamui.
As much as I like Sauce, that happened before Madara got the second eye and activated the Tsukuyomi. Current Sasuke is likely on par with Madara. But I think current Kaguya is the biggest threat for now.
You're bias and stupid. IF you're going to go by that logic, then naruto already destroyed madara in his normal form. Naruto had him with his magma rasengan.
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Stupid, genjutsu cant affect naruto, the was stated several chapters back. Especially now that he has 9 beasts in him+he has sage mode. genjutsu is literally nullified. Stop being a fanboy, naruto saved sasuke with his black things. They're both working hard.
Its funny how you call someone stupid when you are the one talking Bullshit which makes you look like an idiot.
It is manga fact now that sasuke protected naruto from IT or naruto would be a goner by now.
This is why i made this thread, to beat some sense into fanboys still in delusion.
I think the best thing to do is to have patience with these fellows. We should take our time and cover details from our perspective so they will understand manga facts.
For real now? Are you f*cking kidding me? Of all the people you were the one who based his arguments on information that you had manipulated and you were totally biased and yet you have the nerve to call others for twisting facts? :vincent:
lol! Kishimoto is trying to show you guys the way of ninshuu and yet here ya'll actin' so aggressive..
Hold hands and read the manga together...
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Also, Madara knew it would be tough with just the one rinnegan eye to beat Naruto and Sasuke. He does run from Sasuke to complete his plan. Getting cut in half was an acceptable result for Madara in that state, sort of like if we got out and play sports at the park and we trip and fall and skin our knee or something; you know, acceptable results. Madara is also a Shinobi of highest caliber so don't treat Madara like he was "scared", he wasn't, he was cautious and aware and concerned but not scared. The only time he looked real scared was when Kaguya was absorbing his chakra. To be cautious is not to be defeated, in fact his stealing of Kakashi's eye proves his savviness and wile not his weakness.
To be fair, Sasuke is totally BOSS with his Rinnegan eye and he is scary as hell and is a challenge for Naruto.
Naruto is totally BOSS as well with that bad ass sage/10 tails-ish power and is quite a challenge of Sasuke.
So here we are...Naruto fans..good challenege for Sasuke fan...
Sasuke fans are good challenge for Naruto fans...
This guy's stupid, he's picking every little unnecessary and unrelated manga pages to try and start a Sasuke>naruto thread. This isnt even fanboying this is advance stupidity. Naruto and sasuke are both hard working ninjas, kishimoto creates scenarios where it seems as if one of then has advance over the other, while he plans another scene where the supposed lesser character advances again.
Its an on going rivalry, they're both great characters, they both have their pros and cons. BUt you have to acknowledge the fact that, yes sasuke might have used his susano to protect team 7, BUT according to Killer bee several chapters again, genjutsu doesnt work on a jinchuriki, the only reason why IT affected Bee was because he didnt have 8 anymore. You also havce to stop acting retarded and acknowledge the fact that the recent chapter, if naruto hadn't used his BM black balls to create a platform for sasuke, sasuke would've died. His susano is useless in the field that they're at. This thread is so dumb, you cant even argue any of the points being made here.
Simplify:
Sasuke saves naruto one chapter, next chapter naruto saves sasuke, sasuke gets power up coming chapter, naruto also gets power up the next manga. The purpose of the story, where kishi is going is that naruto and sasuke are basically equal, there is rivalry and there is superiority complex, but truth is they're actually both equal now. Different battle situations calls for different power though, which might render either one of them useless, doesnt mean one if crappier than the other. thats like saying because your rocket launcher ran out of ammo, that a grenade launcher has fatal damage. That is wrong because a grenade launcher doesnt have the same power a rocket launcher does, while they both create explosions, they both affect different units.
Going with the yin-yang paradigm, yin and yang are in constant flux but are always equal. One needs the other to have meaning, a lot of Western people won't understand this but Naruto = Sasuke has been a manga fact from day one... Yes, Sasuke can beat Naruto. No, it doesn't matter that he's the main character. In many J-manga, the main dies in the end.
X/1999 did this when Kamui died and caused a big shock in the fanbase. Mains rarely die in modern shonen, but Kishimoto has been quoted as saying he likes parting with manga traditions. He's also promised one of the main 4 characters would die. My money is still on Sakura. A lot of the Japanese fandom has hated her ever since she lied about being in love with Naruto.
Which is why he himself stated that Gai almost killed him? Going by your logic then, Tsunade and Hashirama cannot die either, as they can regenerate, and same is the case with DSM Kabuto.
Which is why he himself stated that Gai almost killed him? Going by your logic then, Tsunade and Hashirama cannot die either, as they can regenerate, and same is the case with DSM Kabuto.
when madara absorb the tree he became completely immortal, that's why stabbing him and slicing him didn't do much to him, but he was not immortal when he fought gai.
hey Ray Charles, i already responded to what the dude posted. I still have yet to see a valid reason from you or anyone else why a guy like Madara who neg diffed all 9 bijuu w/o sweating them in the least would sweat Sasuke. Or are you going to start claiming Sasuke > all 9 bijuu?
The bottom line is that Sasuke dealt insignificant dmg to Madara regardless of what you or others would proclaim as being "manga facts". Because the manga shows Madara wearing a smile on his face when it happened. That's not the look of someone who was sweating getting bisected, and it wasn't it the look of someone who was afraid in the least. If you're going to start perpetuating something as being manga facts, do yourself a favor and make sure it's something the manga actually shows.
when madara absorb the tree he became completely immortal, that's why stabbing him and slicing him didn't do much to him, but he was not immortal when he fought gai.
As to Naruto and Sasuke being equals, that isn't really up to "Kishimoto's word" even if he created the manga, because even manga characters have some bias to their own characters. It's really up for the reader to decide whose stronger, but we all must use manga facts to actually deduce whose the better of the two. Saying that, "Their equals because Kishi said so" is an argument mostly for people who want to appear neutral and want to look like the voice of reason in a heated debate.
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1. Here, Madara is hyping up Sasuke a bit, but more or less because he's comparing him to Obito, evidenced by the last line of the third panel. Then he goes on to state that both of them, are no longer just kids. Key word is both.
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If you look at this panel that was posted in OP, you see that Madara has been completely bisected. Believe it or not, it is possible for someone to lose their legs and survive, seen in countless war veterans or diabetes victims. But here...
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Madara's heart was almost missing. I'm not sure how one survives that. The only way I can think of is Madara is indeed immortal as far as not being possessed by Kaguya's will.
Taking that injury WOULD actually cause you to die, but he managed to rejuvenate himself. It's not the first time we've seen Shinobi do this.
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And here...
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Goes to show being bisected or sustaining a severe injury isn't super uncommon.
Madara showing here that he is wary of both of their powers...
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And you can't really compare Sasuke's damage to a handicapped Madara, anyway. He had one eye. Meaning he had a BIG ASS blind spot.
But Obito says here...
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Both eyes together= Truly terrifying.
The OP is a somewhat biased post saying that the damage Sasuke did meant that he was > Madara.
So Zetsu stabbed a hole in his body... Does that really negate the fact that Madara had the left side (the side most people have their hearts) of his chest blown off and being bisected, and still managed to live? Zetsu likely stabbed through Madara's body to make a direct medium to Kaguya's will taking over so she could revive.
Madara was not focused on fighting Sasuke, but instead on using Kamui. In the end he got his way so Sasuke did not win in any way, shape, or form.
If we are going to use your (faulty) logic, then we are gonna have to say that Might guy has defeated Madara SEVERAL times. Heck, even Rock Lee defeated Madara. You poor, poor soul...
hey Ray Charles, i already responded to what the dude posted. I still have yet to see a valid reason from you or anyone else why a guy like Madara who neg diffed all 9 bijuu w/o sweating them in the least would sweat Sasuke. Or are you going to start claiming Sasuke > all 9 bijuu?
The bottom line is that Sasuke dealt insignificant dmg to Madara regardless of what you or others would proclaim as being "manga facts". Because the manga shows Madara wearing a smile on his face when it happened. That's not the look of someone who was sweating getting bisected, and it wasn't it the look of someone who was afraid in the least. If you're going to start perpetuating something as being manga facts, do yourself a favor and make sure it's something the manga actually shows.
Of course, sasuke > all 9 bijju.
Hashirama kept several bijju with him and he was the one who distributed them among the nations to equalize power.
the madara which solo 9 bijju was a very weak version of madara compared to what he became later and it is not even a big deal to solo 9 bijju anymore.
I am saying sasuke can defeat one eye rinnegan madara who is clearly beyond the madara you are talking about.
You are really trying hard but you still fail to come up with a decent argument. Keep trying ^^
The simple question i ask you is , would madara have survived if he didn't have kamui to escape from sasuke?
he was smiling because he was successfully able to escape from sasuke.
As to Naruto and Sasuke being equals, that isn't really up to "Kishimoto's word" even if he created the manga, because even manga characters have some bias to their own characters. It's really up for the reader to decide whose stronger, but we all must use manga facts to actually deduce whose the better of the two. Saying that, "Their equals because Kishi said so" is an argument mostly for people who want to appear neutral and want to look like the voice of reason in a heated debate.
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1. Here, Madara is hyping up Sasuke a bit, but more or less because he's comparing him to Obito, evidenced by the last line of the third panel. Then he goes on to state that both of them, are no longer just kids. Key word is both.
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If you look at this panel that was posted in OP, you see that Madara has been completely bisected. Believe it or not, it is possible for someone to lose their legs and survive, seen in countless war veterans or diabetes victims. But here...
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Madara's heart was almost missing. I'm not sure how one survives that. The only way I can think of is Madara is indeed immortal as far as not being possessed by Kaguya's will.
Taking that injury WOULD actually cause you to die, but he managed to rejuvenate himself. It's not the first time we've seen Shinobi do this.
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And here...
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Goes to show being bisected or sustaining a severe injury isn't super uncommon.
Madara showing here that he is wary of both of their powers...
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And you can't really compare Sasuke's damage to a handicapped Madara, anyway. He had one eye. Meaning he had a BIG ASS blind spot.
But Obito says here...
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Both eyes together= Truly terrifying.
The OP is a somewhat biased post saying that the damage Sasuke did meant that he was > Madara.
So Zetsu stabbed a hole in his body... Does that really negate the fact that Madara had the left side (the side most people have their hearts) of his chest blown off and being bisected, and still managed to live? Zetsu likely stabbed through Madara's body to make a direct medium to Kaguya's will taking over so she could revive.
I agree with most of your points but i don't see how any of them prove me wrong.
1. Madara acknowledges strength both of naruto and sasuke. Agreed
People can survive even after getting bisected in half, in naruto manga. Agreed
Yes madara was not at his full power before getting the second rinnegan, but he was still very strong and he himself said that he have both sage's body and eyes (and mocked sasuke and naruto for having only one of both)
I never implied sasuke can beat madara with 2 rinnegan eyes, i merely stated that he can beat madara with one rinnegan eye and this is what is proven in the manga page posted in OP.
Since you never really refuted any of my posts, it seems you don't really disagree with what i am saying.
Madara is not immortal though as you think,while i agree, it should be impossible to regenerate a heart, madara have done that. But that does not make him immortal, it does not mean he can regenerate if his head is cut off or his entire body is blown to bits.
He is not actually immortal and it was proven when someone like BZ easily backstab him and defeat him.
If there is someone who is truly immortal , than it is orochimaru who survived totsuka blitz and even RDS.
The whole point of this thread was to beat some sense into delusional fanboys who keep denying the manga.
Madara was not focused on fighting Sasuke, but instead on using Kamui. In the end he got his way so Sasuke did not win in any way, shape, or form.
If we are going to use your (faulty) logic, then we are gonna have to say that Might guy has defeated Madara SEVERAL times. Heck, even Rock Lee defeated Madara. You poor, poor soul...
he only focused on getting kamui after realizing he is getting overwhelmed by sasuke.
might guy faced madara in a death match and he clearly lost.
Lee cutting madara in half was purely PnJ, power of friendship always wins in shounen manga.
OT:- Then why didnt sasuke cut his head off? did he miss the target? Wait, did he really miss the target with his godly Rinnegan? Unbelievable man. Lol #SuchuselessPowerup #Lowlifetroll
Defeat madara? Lol. Not even close. Madara escaped to kamui dimension to get his rinnegan back. You dont read every page of the chapter do you? Lol #Lowlifetroll
This is why sasuke fanbase always get their thread backfired.Lol
I've see plenty of stupid when it comes to how far someone would go to exaggerate the lvls of Sasuke's abilities, but this one might take the crown. One would have to be legally retarded to actually make this claim.
Hashirama kept several bijju with him and he was the one who distributed them among the nations to equalize power.
the madara which solo 9 bijju was a very weak version of madara compared to what he became later and it is not even a big deal to solo 9 bijju anymore.
wtf are you talking about, Madara was the only that was ever seen soloing all 9 bijuu at once. Stupidity at it's finest right here. You make it sound as if it's been done several times already smfh
I am saying sasuke can defeat one eye rinnegan madara who is clearly beyond the madara you are talking about.
this thread is about what the current Sasuke would've supposedly done to the JJ Madara with 1 Rinnegan. The fact that you are going out of your way to compare that Sasuke against Pre JJ Madara tells me you know deep down inside he didn't stack up very well against that Madara, otherwise you wouldn't have gone so far to even mention a version of Madara that has nothing to do with the topic whatsoever.
You are really trying hard but you still fail to come up with a decent argument. Keep trying ^^
says the dude who not only claimed Sasuke is > 9 bijuu w/o anything but baseless and beyond ridiculous supposition, but has gone so far out of the way to mention a version of Madara that doesn't have anything to do with the topic
The simple question i ask you is , would madara have survived if he didn't have kamui to escape from sasuke?
he was smiling because he was successfully able to escape from sasuke.
and if you can properly read English, i already gave you a simple enough answer. There is nothing that says decapitation would've worked. Either provide a statement or someone's dialogue that at leasts suggests it would work, or stfu about it already. Simple as that. Don't nobody want to put up with you trying to offer your assumptions as proof. The bottom line is that Gai did a lot worse to Madara than Sasuke, so idk where you or anyone else is getting it in their heads that dude was sweating Sasuke like that.
I've see plenty of stupid when it comes to how far someone would go to exaggerate the lvls of Sasuke's abilities, but this one might take the crown. One would have to be legally retarded to actually make this claim.
wtf are you talking about, Madara was the only that was ever seen soloing all 9 bijuu at once. Stupidity at it's finest right here. You make it sound as if it's been done several times already smfh
this thread is about what the current Sasuke would've supposedly done to the JJ Madara with 1 Rinnegan. The fact that you are going out of your way to compare that Sasuke against Pre JJ Madara tells me you know deep down inside he didn't stack up very well against that Madara, otherwise you wouldn't have gone so far to even mention a version of Madara that has nothing to do with the topic whatsoever.
says the dude who not only claimed Sasuke is > 9 bijuu w/o anything but baseless and beyond ridiculous supposition, but has gone so far out of the way to mention a version of Madara that doesn't have anything to do with the topic
and if you can properly read English, i already gave you a simple enough answer. There is nothing that says decapitation would've worked. Either provide a statement or someone's dialogue that at leasts suggests it would work, or stfu about it already. Simple as that. Don't nobody want to put up with you trying to offer your assumptions as proof. The bottom line is that Gai did a lot worse to Madara than Sasuke, so idk where you or anyone else is getting it in their heads that dude was sweating Sasuke like that.
