Why Pein > Itachi -_-

[foxyladyland]

i thought thats obvious
this is a contest between a god and a mere human with helth issues winner is obvious

he isn't a god if he can die.. <_< and he did.. >_> god is just a title..

OT: Itachi can cast a 1 second Tsukuyomi on Pein and force him to tell him where Kabuto is.
Jiraiya cast genjutsu on Pein before..

then Itachi runs away to kill Nagato while the other Pein think he is just fleeing. :itachi: too smart.

 

[Avinash012]

Nagato only lived because of Kabuto, he was originally dead when amterasu hit him.

Nagato isn't movng and he let Itachi to attack him bcoz he dnt want to fight Naruto..........
Nagato is a sensor he can counter Amatarasu even b4 Itachi strore enough chakra for Amatarsu,If Amatarasu is able to hit Nagato he can simply absorbe it or ST it.......

 

[Westside]

You people actually think that Deva Path alone can solo Itachi? My god.....:|

MS isn't even needed if its a Deva vs Itachi fight. Explosive Bunshin feints and Shuriken Jutsu are more than enough to force Deva to protect himself via Shinra Tensei (No Deva power for 5 minutes) and finish him off.

For real ?
Explosive bunshin?
They are same level as paper bombs and pain wouldn't just stand there.
And if he does Shinra Tensei whan makes you think that Itachi will be alive?

 

[Awkward Linguist]

1 is debatable imo Kamui and Kotoamatsukami are more haxxed than the Rinnegan.

2. Well I disagree mostly because the Yata can tank it if we go by hype but whatevs.

3. Pain can't sense, he was fooled by Naruto's shadow clones remember when Naruto destroyed Naraka and Preta Path using clone feints?

4. Universal Pull just pulls Itachi, how is that crushing him?

7. Rinnegan doesn't have any feats/hype backing up your claim. If anything the paths can't feel pain so its useless.

8. Depends on how huge CT is. If its in its early stages, then Itachi can spam Yasaka Magatama to break it.

I still think Pain wins though just for different reasons.

3) I didn't mean "sense", i meant "see" the chakra build up in the eye, which of course, the rinnegan is capable of.

4) When Naruto 6 tails was gathering chakra for TBB just after countering ST, Pein used Universal Pull on a massive rock to crush Naruto 6 tails and stop him from using TBB. Go re-watch the episode if you don't remember.

7) CT is as big as it can get. But obviously it'd be larger than when he used it against Naruto 6 tails. This is cos that Nagato was low on chakra.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Pien> itachi
It's 6 on one
Tho I don't think all the paths r needed

I think deva could solo... Tho it b diff (an alive itachi horrible chakra and stamina reserves and all)
But def deva and preta would finish itachi...

 

[ulqui0rra]

people just underrate deva path
it's not just ST & CT he got
he is verry good in taijutsu & he can dodge any attack
the way he dodged hinata's punch proves he is excellent in close combat
only frog kata can touch him since sage mode uses the surrounding energy
itachi got nothing on deva path

 

[Awkward Linguist]

You people actually think that Deva Path alone can solo Itachi? My god.....:|

MS isn't even needed if its a Deva vs Itachi fight. Explosive Bunshin feints and Shuriken Jutsu are more than enough to force Deva to protect himself via Shinra Tensei (No Deva power for 5 minutes) and finish him off.

Tell me, how would Itachi take down Sage Mode Naruto x3 + 4 tails + 6 tails + 8 tails + Sage Mode? -__-

 

[Prince Charles]

Didn't a FRS TBB And YM Fail in the early stages ? Pretty sure they did

You call this its early stages?

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do you not see it's defenses boosted up by the mass rubble of rocks? Im referring to the when the black orb is still visible.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

people just underrate deva path
it's not just ST & CT he got
he is verry good in taijutsu & he can dodge any attack
the way he dodged hinata's punch proves he is excellent in close combat
only frog kata can touch him since sage mode uses the surrounding energy
itachi got nothing on deva path

Yeah deva was fighting 6 tailed naruto on his own kinda (the other paths were either destroyed or just not useful kinda forgt)
For a little bit he's strong by himself I mean he's te tank as well as the leader of the group..

 

[Awkward Linguist]

yeah w.e. <_< it is evadable , but doesn't mean it will be evaded *_*
:sasuke: IS NOT GAY :itachi: he loves Karin, Sakura , Ino, Anko, Temari, Tayuya, Mei, TenTen..

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Incorrect. Saucegay has never showed any love towards either of Karin or Sakura. If anything, he speared a lightning blade through Karin and tried to stab Sakura with his lightning blade and kunai.

 

[ItachiStillSolos]

3) I didn't mean "sense", i meant "see" the chakra build up in the eye, which of course, the rinnegan is capable of.

4) When Naruto 6 tails was gathering chakra for TBB just after countering ST, Pein used Universal Pull on a massive rock to crush Naruto 6 tails and stop him from using TBB. Go re-watch the episode if you don't remember.

7) CT is as big as it can get. But obviously it'd be larger than when he used it against Naruto 6 tails. This is cos that Nagato was low on chakra.

3. The Rinnegan as far as I can remember can just see chakra not the build up. The Byakugan can see chakra buildup not so sure about Rinnegan. Can you please provide a manga scan or somethin?

4. Its filler, never happened in the manga

7. I'm aware of that. That's why I said early stages, aka when its small, when the core is visible. In any case there is always the other paths to protect the core before it gets larger and larger.

 

[Awkward Linguist]

You call this its early stages?

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do you not see it's defenses boosted up by the mass rubble of rocks? Im referring to the when the black orb is still visible.

It is sort of in its early stages. If you look at the top left corner in your link, you'll see that it's nowhere near as large as it was again Naruto.

 

[Zexion~]

You call this its early stages?

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do you not see it's defenses boosted up by the mass rubble of rocks? Im referring to the when the black orb is still visible.

Does not really matter bro its the orb thats durable ..as you can see FRS slices through rocks no problem

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so it can't be the rocks doing this

 

[KidGamer65]

For real ?
Explosive bunshin?
They are same level as paper bombs and pain wouldn't just stand there.
And if he does Shinra Tensei whan makes you think that Itachi will be alive?

When he defends with Shinra Tensei, he ends up deflecting a Bunshin and gets killed by the real Itachi. Don't overrate Deva.

Tell me, how would Itachi take down Sage Mode Naruto x3 + 4 tails + 6 tails + 8 tails + Sage Mode? -__-

Tell me how that even has anything to do with the discussion?

 

[ulqui0rra]

he isn't a god if he can die.. <_< and he did.. >_> god is just a title..

OT: Itachi can cast a 1 second Tsukuyomi on Pein and force him to tell him where Kabuto is.
Jiraiya cast genjutsu on Pein before..

then Itachi runs away to kill Nagato while the other Pein think he is just fleeing. :itachi: too smart.

he died after giving life to thousands
godly isn't it ?

rinnegan >> sharingan so tsukyomi won't work

Yeah deva was fighting 6 tailed naruto on his own kinda (the other paths were either destroyed or just not useful kinda forgt)
For a little bit he's strong by himself I mean he's te tank as well as the leader of the group..

yes yes tell them bro :bouncy:

 

[Awkward Linguist]

3. The Rinnegan as far as I can remember can just see chakra not the build up. The Byakugan can see chakra buildup not so sure about Rinnegan. Can you please provide a manga scan or somethin?

4. Its filler, never happened in the manga

7. I'm aware of that. That's why I said early stages, aka when its small, when the core is visible. In any case there is always the other paths to protect the core before it gets larger and larger.

3) It's common sense. If you can see chakra, you'll be able to see the chakra build up, because chakra build up is still chakra. Makes sense? And also, if chakra is blue, you'll see as the chakra builds up in his eye, the color will change, and will become more darker compared to the chakra that's going elsewhere in the body. Nevertheless i'll go try find proof in the manga.

4) I'll check the manga.

 

[Awkward Linguist]

When he defends with Shinra Tensei, he ends up deflecting a Bunshin and gets killed by the real Itachi. Don't overrate Deva.



Tell me how that even has anything to do with the discussion?

Well obviously, if Itachi can't handle that and Pein could (before plot no jutsu done it's job), then who's more dominant ey?

 

[Westside]

When he defends with Shinra Tensei, he ends up deflecting a Bunshin and gets killed by the real Itachi. Don't overrate Deva.



Tell me how that even has anything to do with the discussion?

I think you underrate him by saying clones are enough to kill him.
He soled whole village then he matched up in speed with 6 tails naruto.
Kakashi was able to counter his clones and he isn't even in level of 4 tails naruto.
If itachi takes down deva path i want to know how he counters CT or ST.
Saying that some fodder attack works on deva path wont convince anyone.

 

[Uzumaki Sasuke]

Pein > Itachi. (Both are healthy with full chakra)

Why?

1) Rinnegan > Sharingan. <- obvious

2) Almighty push (extreme) > Susano. Susano would be shattered to pieces.

3) IF Itachi tried to do Amaterasu, Pein would be able to sense all that chakra concentration in Itachi's eyes and therefore evade it. Also, proven in the manga, IF Itachi caught pain with Amaterasu, Pein would just do Shinra Tensei on himself.

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4) Universal Push can crush Itachi with ease like it did with Naruto 6 tails.

5) Shinra tensei > Itachi's Fire attacks. Pein can dissipate Itachi's fire attacks like he did with RasenShuriken.

6) Pein's chakra level > Itachi's chakra level. Itachi wouldn't last as long as Pein would.

7) Tsukuyomi wouldn't work because of the Rinnegan.

8) Chibaku Tensei annihilates Itachi.

9) Totsuka blade wouldn't work. Why? Shinra Tensei.

10) Izanami wouldn't work because remember, Pein is just a puppet being controlled by Nagato.

1. Itachi dead or alive would kill Nagato. Nagato was unable to walk. Even if Kabuto wasn't controlling him he would have died.
2. Chibaku Tensei is Futile against Multiple Yasaka's Magatama's like Itachi used against Kabuto
3. The Yata Mirror deflects ALL things including Shinra Tensei.
4. Nagato wasn't the only one called INVINCIBLE. Zetsu said that Itachi with the Totsuka Blade and Yata Mirror is INVINCIBLE.
5. Itachi was able to easily sea a SANNIN'S 8 Headed Snake so Nagato's summons wouldn't be hard to seal or amatratsu would just do the job.
6. The Totsuka Blade can seal Gedo Mazo so Nagato's Dragon Soul Carrier is Useless
7. The Pretha Path absorbed too much Frog chakra from Naruto that it turned into a frog statue, how much Amateratsu do you think Nagato can absorb before he dies?
8. Itachi blinded every other possible line of sight for Nagato remember?
9. The Asura paths bombs are useless before Susano'o
10. Tsukuyomi is just OVERKILL! Itachi placed a Perfect Jinchuriki(Bee) in Tsukuyomi so what can Nagato do?

And I wanna clear something out. Itachi has low stamina due to his excessive use of the Mangekyou Sharingan and Nagato is Immobile as said here

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so even if he was conscious he couldn't do anything about it. Itachi has low stamina, but he has large chakra. Obito said the Uchiha were known for their sharingan and large chakra as said here

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so it's safe to say that Itachi has the chakra to do all his jutsus. Another proof of Itachi's large chakra was in his fight against Sasuke. Even with the cursed seal, Sasuke had exhausted all his chakra but Itachi still had enough to summon his Susano'o.

Many people say that if Itachi could place genjutsu on Nagato he would have done it when they fought as Edos. This is a very good question but here's the answer. WHAT WOULD GENJUTSU BENEFIT ITACHI WHEN HE'S FIGHTING AGAINST AN EDO TENSEI? An Edo Tensei cannot die. Itachi saw it as pointless placing a genjutsu on someone that cannot die so he resorted to sealing instead. Again this was where Itachi used ONE Yasaka's Magatama to destroy Chibaku Tensei

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and this was where Itachi used NUMEROUS Yasaka's Magatama to attempt to hit Kabuto

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So you see that he can fire numerous at Chibaku Tensei if he wants. Also Itachi said here

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that only a sharingan user with the same blood as him can break out of Tsukuyomi meaning only Sasuke, Fugaku(Itachi's dad) and Mikoto(Itachi's mum) Uchiha can break out of his genjutsu.

And Again, nagato fanboys say that Itachi's Sharingan is derived from the Rinnegan therefor Nagato cannot enter genjutsu, but this is wrong. If you have a Rinnegan but you can't unlock it's full power then you are weaker than a sharingan user who can unlock the sharingan's full power. Itachi reached the final stage of his sharingan with Susano'o and Izanami. Nagato who has had the Rinnegan for years is NO WHERE near Obito or Madara who haven't used it as much as him. Here is proof

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Obito said his binding was more powerful than that of Nagato. Another proof is that Nagato controlled 6 paths and almost turned into a skeleton. Obito controlled 6 paths plus Gedo Mazo and was still battle ready. So Itachi's MS>Nagato's Rinnegan


Now you can shut up

 

[Awkward Linguist]

1. Itachi dead or alive would kill Nagato. Nagato was unable to walk. Even if Kabuto wasn't controlling him he would have died.
2. Chibaku Tensei is Futile against Multiple Yasaka's Magatama's like Itachi used against Kabuto
3. The Yata Mirror deflects ALL things including Shinra Tensei.
4. Nagato wasn't the only one called INVINCIBLE. Zetsu said that Itachi with the Totsuka Blade and Yata Mirror is INVINCIBLE.
5. Itachi was able to easily sea a SANNIN'S 8 Headed Snake so Nagato's summons wouldn't be hard to seal or amatratsu would just do the job.
6. The Totsuka Blade can seal Gedo Mazo so Nagato's Dragon Soul Carrier is Useless
7. The Pretha Path absorbed too much Frog chakra from Naruto that it turned into a frog statue, how much Amateratsu do you think Nagato can absorb before he dies?
8. Itachi blinded every other possible line of sight for Nagato remember?
9. The Asura paths bombs are useless before Susano'o
10. Tsukuyomi is just OVERKILL! Itachi placed a Perfect Jinchuriki(Bee) in Tsukuyomi so what can Nagato do?

And I wanna clear something out. Itachi has low stamina due to his excessive use of the Mangekyou Sharingan and Nagato is Immobile as said here

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so even if he was conscious he couldn't do anything about it. Itachi has low stamina, but he has large chakra. Obito said the Uchiha were known for their sharingan and large chakra as said here

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so it's safe to say that Itachi has the chakra to do all his jutsus. Another proof of Itachi's large chakra was in his fight against Sasuke. Even with the cursed seal, Sasuke had exhausted all his chakra but Itachi still had enough to summon his Susano'o.

Many people say that if Itachi could place genjutsu on Nagato he would have done it when they fought as Edos. This is a very good question but here's the answer. WHAT WOULD GENJUTSU BENEFIT ITACHI WHEN HE'S FIGHTING AGAINST AN EDO TENSEI? An Edo Tensei cannot die. Itachi saw it as pointless placing a genjutsu on someone that cannot die so he resorted to sealing instead. Again this was where Itachi used ONE Yasaka's Magatama to destroy Chibaku Tensei

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and this was where Itachi used NUMEROUS Yasaka's Magatama to attempt to hit Kabuto

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So you see that he can fire numerous at Chibaku Tensei if he wants. Also Itachi said here

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that only a sharingan user with the same blood as him can break out of Tsukuyomi meaning only Sasuke, Fugaku(Itachi's dad) and Mikoto(Itachi's mum) Uchiha can break out of his genjutsu.

And Again, nagato fanboys say that Itachi's Sharingan is derived from the Rinnegan therefor Nagato cannot enter genjutsu, but this is wrong. If you have a Rinnegan but you can't unlock it's full power then you are weaker than a sharingan user who can unlock the sharingan's full power. Itachi reached the final stage of his sharingan with Susano'o and Izanami. Nagato who has had the Rinnegan for years is NO WHERE near Obito or Madara who haven't used it as much as him. Here is proof

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Obito said his binding was more powerful than that of Nagato. Another proof is that Nagato controlled 6 paths and almost turned into a skeleton. Obito controlled 6 paths plus Gedo Mazo and was still battle ready. So Itachi's MS>Nagato's Rinnegan


Now you can shut up

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