Why Orochimaru > Sasuke

[Hyuga Prodigy]

Orichimaru said that he doesn't have enough power to steal it yet if you look at page 9.

 

[Naruto9001]

Orichimaru said that he doesn't have enough power to steal it yet if you look at page 9.

Read the thread.

 

[Maunten]

Orochimaru was weakened both times he was defeated.

after playing with it and laughing about how amazing that kid (naruto) was

Lol you make it sound so baws.

I think he would have been in trouble if he had continued the fight though.

Then again he would have just been reborn through one of his minions seals....

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

Sasuke is still a child U_U - Oro's words

 

[Q of the Sharingan]

Why is everyone saying genjutsu anyway i already answered how Oro can counter genjutsu he dosen't have izanami. Oro underestimated Itachi.



Yes he does breakthough is able to knock down large trees im sure it can break susano besides Kabuto's sage mode powers came from Orochimaru and in sage mode Kabuto was able to penetrate susano.

Kabuto stated that Oro wasn't able to master SM so until we see him use it like Kabuto, it isn't a factor. Breakthrough will not push of Susanoo. There is no arguing it. It is attached to the users body and the only way to get around that is to pull the user out while restraining Susanoo.

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Plus it is only a C rank jutsu. It does have great force but it isn't blowing Susanoo off of someone. Oro would win the fight if he could use his arms because he can outlast Sasuke. Eventually Sasuke's Susanoo will drop and give Oro an opening. This is considering genjutsu doesn't work on him.

If Sasuke could, he should use Ama on Oro's head and mouth. So when Oro used oral rebirth he would still touch it and burn. This probably won't happen if they fought because it would be kinda boring.

 

[Tartarus]

Sasuke>=Itachi>Oro be objective here.

 

[Missing Uchiha]

That's because his arms are sealed this is full power Orochimaru.

He told Tsunade he had a way of getting his arms revived.

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Here's Orochimaru using his arms

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[Chode]

Why Orochimaru's greater than Sasuke:
1. Not a whiny bitch
2. Not a whiny bitch
3. He's immortal
4. Not a whiny bitch

YAY someone has common sense !!!!

 

[Naruto9001]

Kabuto stated that Oro wasn't able to master SM so until we see him use it like Kabuto, it isn't a factor. Breakthrough will not push of Susanoo. There is no arguing it. It is attached to the users body and the only way to get around that is to pull the user out while restraining Susanoo.

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Plus it is only a C rank jutsu. It does have great force but it isn't blowing Susanoo off of someone. Oro would win the fight if he could use his arms because he can outlast Sasuke. Eventually Sasuke's Susanoo will drop and give Oro an opening. This is considering genjutsu doesn't work on him.

If Sasuke is could, he should use Ama on Oro's head and mouth. So when Oro used oral rebirth he would still touch it and burn. This probably won't happen if they fought because it would be kinda boring.

Oro does have sage mode but he couldn't perfect it's a imperfect sage mode like Jiraya's but he can likely do some of the techs Kabuto can since SM Kabuto returned back to normal after Oro took his chakra back. Even if Sasuke some how manages to hit Oro with amterasu in the head it wont do anything because body shedding lets the user come out of there mouth so the real Oro would be unharmed.

Rashomon will defend from susano arrows.

 

[Tartarus]

That's because his arms are sealed this is full power Orochimaru.

His arms aren't sealed. Suigetsu only has word of mouth, obviously Oro's arms aren't sealed since he used a rashoman summon. Oro admits inferiority to both Uchiha bros.

 

[Q of the Sharingan]

Oro does have sage mode but he couldn't perfect it's a imperfect sage mode like Jiraya's but he can likely do some of the techs Kabuto can since SM Kabuto returned back to normal after Oro took his chakra back. Even if Sasuke some how manages to hit Oro with amterasu in the head it wont do anything because body shedding lets the user come out of there mouth so the real Oro would be unharmed.

Rashomon will defend from susano arrows.

We haven't seen Oro use any SM jutsu. So you can't use it in a argument until he does. What Jiraiya and Naruto did in SM are different so it would be the same for Oro if he could use SM. If Sasuke hit Oro in the head and MOUTH is what I said. That way Oro would still touch the flames while coming out. You should have referenced Sasuke's use of oral rebirth, which he stole directly from Oro. Sasuke came out of his torso. Seeing as how I had to counter my own argument for you shows that you should just stop trying.

I still think Oro would win if he can't fall into Sasuke's genjutsu... Which he probably can. If his body control tech can be reversed by Sasuke's genjutsu then there isn't much of an argument for him not being affected by it. Oro is a beast. His only weakness is sharingan genjutsu. If he can get around that then he beats Sasuke.

 

[Tartarus]

We haven't seen Oro use any SM jutsu. So you can't use it in a argument until he does. What Jiraiya and Naruto did in SM are different so it would be the same for Oro if he could use SM. If Sasuke hit Oro in the head and MOUTH is what I said. That way Oro would still touch the flames while coming out. You should have referenced Sasuke's use of oral rebirth, which he stole directly from Oro. Sasuke came out of his torso. Seeing as how I had to counter my own argument for you shows that you should just stop trying.

I still think Oro would win if he can't fall into Sasuke's genjutsu... Which he probably can. If his body control tech can be reversed by Sasuke's genjutsu then there isn't much of an argument for him not being affected by it. Oro is a beast. His only weakness is sharingan genjutsu. If he can get around that then he beats Sasuke.

Oro can't use oral rebirth forever, it costs chakra. Chances are Sasuke can spam amaterasu magatamas and arrows longer. Obviously other people seem to forget Naruto and Sasuke are meant to be on a league higher than everyone else, but instead choose to believe their own biases.

 

[Q of the Sharingan]

Oro can't use oral rebirth forever, it costs chakra. Chances are Sasuke can spam amaterasu magatamas and arrows longer. Obviously other people seem to forget Naruto and Sasuke are meant to be on a league higher than everyone else, but instead choose to believe their own biases.

Oro can use it many times. MS jutsu wear out Sasuke. So it'll be both worn down but Oro has more stamina. It all depends on genjutsu to me. If that is restricted, Oro takes the fight. If not, Sasuke does.

 

[Dantee]

Lol what? Because what Sugetsu said is fact? How does current Sugetsu even know what Sasuke is capable of. Everyone gtfo.

 

[Tartarus]

Oro can use it many times. MS jutsu wear out Sasuke. So it'll be both worn down but Oro has more stamina. It all depends on genjutsu to me. If that is restricted, Oro takes the fight. If not, Sasuke does.

MS yes, EMS not really. Sasuke was able to use final Susanoo and amaterasu at the same time with relative ease.

 

[-Vegeta-]

Orochimaru himself disagrees with you.

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[nrodrigues]

healthy Orochimaru > Sasuke

 

[PainIsGod]

After seeing Orochimaru in this recent chapter and looking at his feats from other chapters i have realized that Orochimaru would stomp Sasuke now let me explain why. Note: This is Orochimaru with his arms.

Oro can use body shedding to prevent amaterasu or susano arrows from killing him or use his rashomon to block it since nothing Sasuke has can get though it then use formation of ten thousand use great breakthough to blow away susano and then while his on the ground the snakes have him for a meal. Or he can summon Hashirama since apparently Hashirama's mokuton is a perfect counter for susano since he was able to beat Madara who had perfect susano so Sasuke should be no problem for him.

While i somewhat agree with you oro can't use hashi considering his soul is in the belly of the reaper death seal good points though!

 

[Icelerate]

First of all Oro does not have the speed and time to summon the Rashoman gates. He would have to touch the ground and in that time the susanoo arrow will hit him.

People are greatly overestimating Orochimaru just because he can't be killed. Remember Shikamaru defeated an immortal Hidan and Itachi also defeated an immortal Orochimaru. They were much weaker than there immortal opponents unlike Sasuke who is much stronger than Orochimaru.

At best Orochimaru is on the same level as Jiraiya, Gaara or A and Sasuke is on the same level as Mu, Itachi and Minato. I know this logic doesn't work but I'll explain how Sasuke wins.

Firstly Sasuke does not have to kill Oro to win, all he has to do is wear him down until Oro can no longer fight. If it comes to this than the victory is Sasuke's. This would be easy by spamming mangekyou techs but chidori will also wear him down. Nothing Oro has can break susanoo and Oro is not fast enough to summon rashoman gates if Kakashi couldn't summon his own earth wall.

 

[Sensei of So6p]

First of all Oro does not have the speed and time to summon the Rashoman gates. He would have to touch the ground and in that time the susanoo arrow will hit him.

People are greatly overestimating Orochimaru just because he can't be killed. Remember Shikamaru defeated an immortal Hidan and Itachi also defeated an immortal Orochimaru. They were much weaker than there immortal opponents unlike Sasuke who is much stronger than Orochimaru.

At best Orochimaru is on the same level as Jiraiya, Gaara or A and Sasuke is on the same level as Mu, Itachi and Minato. I know this logic doesn't work but I'll explain how Sasuke wins.

Firstly Sasuke does not have to kill Oro to win, all he has to do is wear him down until Oro can no longer fight. If it comes to this than the victory is Sasuke's. This would be easy by spamming mangekyou techs but chidori will also wear him down. Nothing Oro has can break susanoo and Oro is not fast enough to summon rashoman gates if Kakashi couldn't summon his own earth wall.

Good points, but if anything, Sasuke would be worn out. Susanno isn't chakra friendly and as we've seen throughout the recent arcs, Sasuke continuously needs chakra refills either via resting or by karin. I've never see Oro run out of chakra, and even against tsunade without his arms; although he took a beating he shrugged it off easily