Why Obito & Minato are smarter than Itachi

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In 2minutes, Minato was able to notice Tobi wasn't Madara. In decades Itachi never knew Tobi wasn't Madara despite the guy having being his mentor for quite some time. In fact, he got fooled by the guy so badly that Tobi knew almost everything concerning Itachi without him even noticing. Minato has shown a similar capacity if not greater than Itachi when he was able to read through Bee's heart just after seeing him once, knowing the real reason behind his strength, something that A only noticed decades after during this war, he knew Tobi would be the cause of disaster after observing him, like he predicted Naruto would be the one to save the world. Minato actually despite being much less present in this manga than Itachi, has shown greater feats in terms of insight abilities or seeing through people. Minato managed to hit Tobi which few people have done and formed a quick plan he was also able to analyze Kakashi's chidori in a matter of seconds and tell him his flaws of it.

Obito has intelligence feats that surpasses Itachi's in my opinion, one of the smartest guys in the series as far as analytical, strategical, and planning abilities go. A real genius Madara trained him well. He not only used a bunch of power-house freaks but also deceived most of them into thinking he was a newbie to the organization and ultimately hid his real plan from them all. He controlled the Mizukage for years with his genjutsu. Foresaw Itachi dying, fooled and knew everything concerning him to the very end. Every time Naruto and co. threw a wrench into his plans, he would look at zetsu and say onto plan B, he always had a backup plan when things went wrong. He didn't even need Madara to go through with Infinite Tsukuyomi. Obito knew everything about the Uchiha clan secrets, techniques & everything about the shonibi world. But most people overlook all of that.

While Itachi is very smart, too many people over-exaggerate his capabilities. If he was really that discerning, he wouldn't have gotten manipulated so bad, and misjudge Sasuke by a mile. Now I'm not bashing Itachi, he is a good character, but rarely do I run into anyone here that can look at him objectively.
 

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Itachi wankers incoming.

"Tsukuyomi soloes, Minato ahs no counter for genjutsu"
"amaterasu soloes, he can't outrun amaterasu"
"susano'o soloes, minato can't get through it"

blah blah blah, Minato has shown several abilities and intelligence to laugh at Mangekyou abilities.
 

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Itachi made the world believe he was a traitor to the Hidden Leaf... Minato simply saved the Leaf Village.... And Obito couldnt even last living a lie as long as Itachi did.
 

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He thought his student was dead. He changed his voice to mimic Madara's. He had an ability Minato had never seen before. And he was trained by Madara so his skills had improved.
 

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Itachi wankers incoming.

"Tsukuyomi soloes, Minato ahs no counter for genjutsu"
"amaterasu soloes, he can't outrun amaterasu"
"susano'o soloes, minato can't get through it"

blah blah blah, Minato has shown several abilities and intelligence to laugh at Mangekyou abilities.
Itachi fans don't even realize how foolish they look when they say 'totsuka solos Kaguya GG, Yata mirror blocks superman's punch'. Truly pathetic
 

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In 2minutes, Minato was able to notice Tobi wasn't Madara. In decades Itachi never knew Tobi wasn't Madara despite the guy having being his mentor for quite some time. In fact, he got fooled by the guy so badly that Tobi knew almost everything concerning Itachi without him even noticing. Minato has shown a similar capacity if not greater than Itachi when he was able to read through Bee's heart just after seeing him once, knowing the real reason behind his strength, something that A only noticed decades after during this war, he knew Tobi would be the cause of disaster after observing him, like he predicted Naruto would be the one to save the world. Minato actually despite being much less present in this manga than Itachi, has shown greater feats in terms of insight abilities or seeing through people. Minato managed to hit Tobi which few people have done and formed a quick plan he was also able to analyze Kakashi's chidori in a matter of seconds and tell him his flaws of it.

Obito has intelligence feats that surpasses Itachi's in my opinion, one of the smartest guys in the series as far as analytical, strategical, and planning abilities go. A real genius Madara trained him well. He not only used a bunch of power-house freaks but also deceived most of them into thinking he was a newbie to the organization and ultimately hid his real plan from them all. He controlled the Mizukage for years with his genjutsu. Foresaw Itachi dying, fooled and knew everything concerning him to the very end. Every time Naruto and co. threw a wrench into his plans, he would look at zetsu and say onto plan B, he always had a backup plan when things went wrong. He didn't even need Madara to go through with Infinite Tsukuyomi. Obito knew everything about the Uchiha clan secrets, techniques & everything about the shonibi world. But most people overlook all of that.

While Itachi is very smart, too many people over-exaggerate his capabilities. If he was really that discerning, he wouldn't have gotten manipulated so bad, and misjudge Sasuke by a mile. Now I'm not bashing Itachi, he is a good character, but rarely do I run into anyone here that can look at him objectively.
@ Bold: You kind of have a point right here, Obito did really manipulate Itachi just like he did everyone else.
 

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In 2minutes, Minato was able to notice Tobi wasn't Madara. In decades Itachi never knew Tobi wasn't Madara despite the guy having being his mentor for quite some time. In fact, he got fooled by the guy so badly that Tobi knew almost everything concerning Itachi without him even noticing. Minato has shown a similar capacity if not greater than Itachi when he was able to read through Bee's heart just after seeing him once, knowing the real reason behind his strength, something that A only noticed decades after during this war, he knew Tobi would be the cause of disaster after observing him, like he predicted Naruto would be the one to save the world. Minato actually despite being much less present in this manga than Itachi, has shown greater feats in terms of insight abilities or seeing through people. Minato managed to hit Tobi which few people have done and formed a quick plan he was also able to analyze Kakashi's chidori in a matter of seconds and tell him his flaws of it.

Obito has intelligence feats that surpasses Itachi's in my opinion, one of the smartest guys in the series as far as analytical, strategical, and planning abilities go. A real genius Madara trained him well. He not only used a bunch of power-house freaks but also deceived most of them into thinking he was a newbie to the organization and ultimately hid his real plan from them all. He controlled the Mizukage for years with his genjutsu. Foresaw Itachi dying, fooled and knew everything concerning him to the very end. Every time Naruto and co. threw a wrench into his plans, he would look at zetsu and say onto plan B, he always had a backup plan when things went wrong. He didn't even need Madara to go through with Infinite Tsukuyomi. Obito knew everything about the Uchiha clan secrets, techniques & everything about the shonibi world. But most people overlook all of that.

While Itachi is very smart, too many people over-exaggerate his capabilities. If he was really that discerning, he wouldn't have gotten manipulated so bad, and misjudge Sasuke by a mile. Now I'm not bashing Itachi, he is a good character, but rarely do I run into anyone here that can look at him objectively.
While I agree that most Itachi fans on here are wayyy more annoying that Minato fans, I think the fact of the matter is, Minato was just questioning the assumption that Obito was Madara, but may have still been fooled. On top of that, he was unable to recognize Obito as his student. Both of these are understandable, with the knowledge of what havoc the Kyuubi was unleashing on Konoha at the time along with the fact that Obito was indeed, a strong opponent that needed all of his attention, I don't think he really cared to figure it out.

But honestly, they've both shown feats of recognizing technique weaknesses that other ninja's tend to fall for...
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With great success. I won't say who I believe to be stronger, but I really am getting tired of the Sharingan riders here, and this is NOT insinuating I believe Itachi to be weaker, just sick of the "one hit solo" BS.


Itachi wankers incoming.

"Tsukuyomi soloes, Minato ahs no counter for genjutsu"
"amaterasu soloes, he can't outrun amaterasu"
"susano'o soloes, minato can't get through it"

blah blah blah, Minato has shown several abilities and intelligence to laugh at Mangekyou abilities.
I don't think Minato can exactly "laugh" at Itachi. He could "win". It would not be nearly as one sided as this though.
 

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Itachi had the reasoning of the hokage at age 9,and what were those two at age 9 ? (although I like Obito,he was an idiot at 9)
Minato hasn't really been explored in depth at age nine.

But also, you need more than reasoning to be Hokage level. This in now way said that he was at the Kage level at age nine. By the way, it was actually age seven. Not nine.
 

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I don't think Minato can exactly "laugh" at Itachi. He could "win". It would not be nearly as one sided as this though.
I agree. Minato wouldn't pwn Itachi. But I do believe that the fight wouldn't last THAT long. I mean, Minato figured out Raikage and Killer Bee's tactics(strengths/weaknesses) within seconds and had the fight in the bag. He literally took on 2 kage level shinobi and had the fight won within the first 20 seconds. Kind of astonishing really. While Itachi is smarter than Raikage and Bee, his basic skillset and threat level is not too much higher than Raikage or Killer Bee. So quite honestly, although I admit Itachi would make Minato have to really pay attention, Minato wouldn't really need more than a minute or so to best Itachi.

Just my opinion. Minato ends fights quick, that's what HE does.
 

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Minato is a definite no.

His reasoning for saying that it wasn't Madara was that he couldn't have lived that long and he was dead, something that was completely possible for Madara to do.

In fact, it makes Minato seem like more of a dunce when it was his very own student.

Not to mention his whole plan for Naruto was based on some huge gamble that he was the chosen one.

Obito is more debatable I think, but he's still below Itachi imo.
 

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While I agree that most Itachi fans on here are wayyy more annoying that Minato fans, I think the fact of the matter is, Minato was just questioning the assumption that Obito was Madara, but may have still been fooled. On top of that, he was unable to recognize Obito as his student. Both of these are understandable, with the knowledge of what havoc the Kyuubi was unleashing on Konoha at the time along with the fact that Obito was indeed, a strong opponent that needed all of his attention, I don't think he really cared to figure it out.

But honestly, they've both shown feats of recognizing technique weaknesses that other ninja's tend to fall for...
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With great success. I won't say who I believe to be stronger, but I really am getting tired of the Sharingan riders here, and this is NOT insinuating I believe Itachi to be weaker, just sick of the "one hit solo" BS.




I don't think Minato can exactly "laugh" at Itachi. He could "win". It would not be nearly as one sided as this though.
Nice analysis, I agree.
 

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Minato is a definite no.

His reasoning for saying that it wasn't Madara was that he couldn't have lived that long and he was dead, something that was completely possible for Madara to do.

In fact, it makes Minato seem like more of a dunce when it was his very own student.

Not to mention his whole plan for Naruto was based on some huge gamble that he was the chosen one.

Obito is more debatable I think, but he's still below Itachi imo.
That fact that Minato deduced in minutes what Itachi didn't in years speaks volumes. He thought Obito was dead, and with all the Zetsu modifications & his MS ability, him not recognizing that it was Obito at that point is plausible, though I do think there was a part of him that assumed.
 

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Tha fact is that the way he deduced it made him look like he lacked knowledge.

Itachi didn't underestimated Madara and understood that it could have been possible for him to still be alive.

Minato on the other hand did what everyone else did when Madara was mentioned; they all said it was impossible because he was supposed to be dead. This so called feat is something the average person did and it actually lowers his intelligence.
 
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