[Discussion] why not sanji?

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Sanji's DJ is hotter than Akainu's magma/lava?

It really depends on the Magma/Lava, if Sakazuki can use any Magma then no, because there are three main types of Magma, the hottest reaches temperatures up to 6,200 °C approx, however, the low point of Magma is around 800 °C approx

Your logic pointless real life logic cant always be used when it comes to an anime like one piece. U_U.

That's what they all say when I win.

I tried arguing about that with these guys a while back. I was told as long as 1+1=2 in OP world, then all other real life aspects of science and math also apply to the OP world.
dont ever bother bro

Because we're total idiots? Is that your implication? Dude, I remember saying Oda takes into account a lot of science. E.g. Kizaru's light/attacks/himself only travels in straight lines and Akainu's Magma being hotter than Aces fire. Or Smokers Smoke having a suffocating effect. Even Caesars combustion is an Oxygen based attack (which is imperative for any fire or explosion). I have a lot of other examples where Oda correctly applies science.

I am not even sure if this response is serious or not. I don't get how people think that Sanji's fire can melt swords even after witnessing that something that can burn even fire can be stopped by a sword like

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Dead serious

But I do have a point. You can't deny that White Fire can melt Steel and Iron (what Zoro's swords are made from).

The Shanks vs Sakazuki incident was dependent on Shanks using Busoshoku Haki while Sakazuki wasn't using it (as he wouldn't need it to kill Coby for insubordination).

 

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But I do have a point. You can't deny that White Fire can melt Steel and Iron (what Zoro's swords are made from).

Never said he can't melt steel but he can't do that as long as the swords are in Zoro's hands.

The Shanks vs Sakazuki incident was dependent on Shanks using Busoshoku Haki while Sakazuki wasn't using it (as he wouldn't need it to kill Coby for insubordination).

Never know that haki can increase magma's temperature.Lol

 

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It really depends on the Magma/Lava, if Sakazuki can use any Magma then no, because there are three main types of Magma, the hottest reaches temperatures up to 6,200 °C approx, however, the low point of Magma is around 800 °C approx


That's what they all say when I win.


Because we're total idiots? Is that your implication? Dude, I remember saying Oda takes into account a lot of science. E.g. Kizaru's light/attacks/himself only travels in straight lines and Akainu's Magma being hotter than Aces fire. Or Smokers Smoke having a suffocating effect. Even Caesars combustion is an Oxygen based attack (which is imperative for any fire or explosion). I have a lot of other examples where Oda correctly applies science.


Dead serious

But I do have a point. You can't deny that White Fire can melt Steel and Iron (what Zoro's swords are made from).

The Shanks vs Sakazuki incident was dependent on Shanks using Busoshoku Haki while Sakazuki wasn't using it (as he wouldn't need it to kill Coby for insubordination).

People who think Oda doesn't apply science are the true idiots. One of the best examples of Oda taking science into account, when Caesar blocks out the oxygen during his and Luffy's second fight, the fire in the area goes out. When Luffy stretches his neck out of Caesar's area to draw in a breath, there was fire around the floor. The fact that Oda paid attention to such a small detail means he takes science into account, so why not for bigger things.?

 

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People who think Oda doesn't apply science are the true idiots. One of the best examples of Oda taking science into account, when Caesar blocks out the oxygen during his and Luffy's second fight, the fire in the area goes out. When Luffy stretches his neck out of Caesar's area to draw in a breath, there was fire around the floor. The fact that Oda paid attention to such a small detail means he takes science into account, so why not for bigger things.?

There's no denying that. Its just that you cannot apply the same logic to every scenario in OP.

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Never said he can't melt steel but he can't do that as long as the swords are in Zoro's hands.




Never know that haki can increase magma's temperature.Lol

I was saying Shank's sword could withstand the Magma because he used Busoshoku Haki while Sakazuki didn't. If both Sanji and Zoro used Busoshoku Haki at the same time and clashed, because the two fighters are so comparable, it's likely that the swords will start to melt.

People who think Oda doesn't apply science are the true idiots. One of the best examples of Oda taking science into account, when Caesar blocks out the oxygen during his and Luffy's second fight, the fire in the area goes out. When Luffy stretches his neck out of Caesar's area to draw in a breath, there was fire around the floor. The fact that Oda paid attention to such a small detail means he takes science into account, so why not for bigger things.?

Exactly right.

Oda also uses a lot of science in Law and Enels fruits. As if Law used a lot of equipment such as defibrillators. Enel restarted his own heart in a similar fashion. That's just another example.

 

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I was saying Shank's sword could withstand the Magma because he used Busoshoku Haki while Sakazuki didn't. If both Sanji and Zoro used Busoshoku Haki at the same time and clashed, because the two fighters are so comparable, it's likely that the swords will start to melt.

Nothing has happened to Vista's swords and I am pretty sure Sakazuku used haki to protect himself.

 

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Nothing has happened to Vista's swords and I am pretty sure Sakazuku used haki to protect himself.

Haki reduces the effects. Well done. Hence why Vistas swords didn't melt. Same for Shanks.

Sakazuki was unaware of the asspull Oda was about to create, and therefore wouldn't waste the effort of imbuing Busoshoku Haki for killing an (at the time) "fodder" like Coby

If you pit comparable Spirits against eachother (Zoro and Sanji) the effects are likely to remain the same due to match up of Haki

 

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Haki reduces the effects. Well done. Hence why Vistas swords didn't melt. Same for Shanks.

Sakazuki was unaware of the asspull Oda was about to create, and therefore wouldn't waste the effort of imbuing Busoshoku Haki for killing an (at the time) "fodder" like Coby

You are implying that Akainu would have melted his swords if he use haki while attacking coby. But Sakazuki used haki against Vista and Marco yet his Magma failed to melt Vista's swords. Vista is weaker than Sakazuki and Sakazuki has the back up of his magma as well as haki yet failed to melt his swords. Hence ,your haki cancels haki argument has a hole in it.

 

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It's because of his bounty and if you observe it a bit carefully all of super novas are those who wants to get big names in NW. so that makes them more or less rivals to each other where as Sanji never had such an intention.



There is absolutely nothing that puts Bon Kurei slightly below Daz Bones and thinking Sanji is currently closer to Zoro just because their pre TS opponents are close in strength is same as saying that Zoro and Luffy are equals since Whiskey peak arc.





There is a difference b/w having more feats and having better feats. Zoro has better feats than Sanji.




The thing is Fujitora is stronger than all of Sanji's opponents and Zoro actually freed himself from Fujitora's attack i.e. he forced Fujitora to stop his gravity and defend himself from Zoro's attack. That's a feat which speaks for volumes where as Sanji was hopeless against Joker who's weaker than Zoro's opponent. Yet you think Sanji did better job than Zoro? The fact that you think Sanji did better clearly proves that it's you who's over wanking Sanji/Downgrading Zoro.

Fujitora is stronger than doflamingo but there is a difference in this two cases, fujitora wasnt trying to go for the kill against zoro, he was jsut protecting dofla, as he himself didnt like to attack people who helped him because if fuji was serious in taking down zoro then unfortunately zoro would get negged.

Doflamingo was going for the kill, as he tried to kill sanji and the only reason for sanji to get beaten that easily i because of hax, anyone without knowledge of the strings would get stopped by them, even zoro in that case, the only reason why law was able to fight for a long time without getting caught in string is because of intel which sanji lacked there, anyone of zoro/sanji level would get the same treatment by dofla without intel.

 

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I think, being legendary katana, that's mean will not easily destroyed/melted by someone.

 

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Fujitora is stronger than doflamingo but there is a difference in this two cases, fujitora wasnt trying to go for the kill against zoro, he was jsut protecting dofla, as he himself didnt like to attack people who helped him because if fuji was serious in taking down zoro then unfortunately zoro would get negged.

I have already explained that not having killing intent =/= to not using stronger attacks. Fujitora not being serious is not going to bypass the fact that it was a powerful attack.

There is need for Fujitora to be serious to neg someone like Zoro.

Doflamingo was going for the kill, as he tried to kill sanji and the only reason for sanji to get beaten that easily i because of hax, anyone without knowledge of the strings would get stopped by them,even zoro in that case, the only reason why law was able to fight for a long time without getting caught in string is because of intel which sanji lacked there, anyone of zoro/sanji level would get the same treatment by dofla without intel.

Enough with this BS, Even an idiot like Luffy with 0 knowledge countered his attacks.

 

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You are implying that Akainu would have melted his swords if he use haki while attacking coby. But Sakazuki used haki against Vista and Marco yet his Magma failed to melt Vista's swords. Vista is weaker than Sakazuki and Sakazuki has the back up of his magma as well as haki yet failed to melt his swords. Hence ,your haki cancels haki argument has a hole in it.

Not really. Vista and Marco actually landed a sneak hit on Sakazuki, and he commented afterwards that they were Haki users. Put two and two together, and he didn't know he was about to inflicted with Haki-infused blows. It's unlikely that he just had Haki passively on his body, especially when it targets wouldn't have required him to need it.

People tend to not realize that the deaths of Ace and Whitebeard had effects on people there. The Marines were attacking even harder, their wills were up, while those on Ace's side were in dismay. It's possible that the emotional effect of Ace's death weakened their wills, causing their Haki to be weaker than it should have been, hence why it failed to damage Akainu in even an off-guard attack.

Haki cancelling out with Haki makes perfect sense.

 

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Not really. Vista and Marco actually landed a sneak hit on Sakazuki, and he commented afterwards that they were Haki users. Put two and two together, and he didn't know he was about to inflicted with Haki-infused blows. It's unlikely that he just had Haki passively on his body, especially when it targets wouldn't have required him to need it. People tend to not realize that the deaths of Ace and Whitebeard had effects on people there. The Marines were attacking even harder, their wills were up, while those on Ace's side were in dismay. It's possible that the emotional effect of Ace's death weakened their wills, causing their Haki to be weaker than it should have been, hence why it failed to damage Akainu in even an off-guard attack.

Are you seriously telling me that Akainu wasn't aware of the fact that Wb commanders are capable of using haki before they actually hit him? Marco kicked Kizaru in front of his own eyes, fought Aokiji. They tried to attack him a logia user and you think he didn't know he was about to inflicted with Haki infused blows.

Jimbe was in their way to directly attack Akainu, Marco had to ask him to get down before attacking Akainu which gives enough room for Akanu to notice that they are about to attack him and use haki to defend himself. The rest of your argument is irrelevant.

Haki cancelling out with Haki makes perfect sense.

So are u telling me that if Shanks and Akainu were to face each other then Akainu can melt his swords if he use haki along with his magma?

 

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Are you seriously telling me that Akainu wasn't aware of the fact that Wb commanders are capable of using haki before they actually hit him? Marco kicked Kizaru in front of his own eyes, fought Aokiji. They tried to attack him a logia user and you think he didn't know he was about to inflicted with Haki infused blows.

Jimbe was in their way to directly attack Akainu, Marco had to ask him to get down before attacking Akainu which gives enough room for Akanu to notice that they are about to attack him and use haki to defend himself. The rest of your argument is irrelevant.






So are u telling me that if Shanks and Akainu were to face each other then Akainu can melt his swords if he uses haki along with his magma?

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Sakazuki was actually surprised by the attack, as the caption bubble clearly indicates[

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] The fact that he said ¨Haki users, huh?¨ indicates that he was not prepared to be hit by Haki users.

No, I was not saying that Akainu assumed that Whitebeard's commanders couldn't use Haki, but that he didn't know that he was about to be attacked by two of Whitebeard's commanders. Learn some reading comprehension.

If Akainu's Haki was greater than or equal to Shanks' Haki, then yeah it's possible. But I highly doubt that's the case.

 

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I have already explained that not having killing intent =/= to not using stronger attacks. Fujitora not being serious is not going to bypass the fact that it was a powerful attack.

There is need for Fujitora to be serious to neg someone like Zoro.






Enough with this BS, Even an idiot like Luffy with 0 knowledge countered his attacks.

The attack used by fuji on zoro had lower AOE than the attack used against normal thugs in the bar, yet zoro was bleeding, why zoro fans pull out of their ass that it was a good feat, the horizontal gravity used by fuji on Sabo was a attack worth calling serious, yet fuji didnt have any killing intent against Sabo, so yeah of course killing intent or getting serious affects in ones attack, unless u care to explain me otherwise.

Luffy may be an idiot, but he becomes an genius when fighting, we saw how easy he was able to understand that water works on crocodile, or how he was able to find a way to bypass Enel's COO, or vs Caesar, oh and Luffy > Sanji, Zoro.

 

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The attack used by fuji on zoro had lower AOE than the attack used against normal thugs in the bar, yet zoro was bleeding, why zoro fans pull out of their ass that it was a good feat, the horizontal gravity used by fuji on Sabo was a attack worth calling serious, yet fuji didnt have any killing intent against Sabo, so yeah of course killing intent or getting serious affects in ones attack, unless u care to explain me otherwise.

Luffy may be an idiot, but he becomes an genius when fighting, we saw how easy he was able to understand that water works on crocodile, or how he was able to find a way to bypass Enel's COO, or vs Caesar, oh and Luffy > Sanji, Zoro.

What's AOE mean? Is it area of effect?

 

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Sakazuki was actually surprised by the attack, as the caption bubble clearly indicates[

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] The fact that he said ¨Haki users, huh?¨ indicates that he was not prepared to be hit by Haki users.

Being surprised =/= Not being able to defend in time. So, this is not going to help you here. Akainu tanking their hits with 0 damage clearly proves that he was using haki as a defence. They are not some random fodders to think that their haki turned into 0 just because their saw their friends death.

No, I was not saying that Akainu assumed that Whitebeard's commanders couldn't use Haki, but that he didn't know that he was about to be attacked by two of Whitebeard's commanders. Learn some reading comprehension.

Marco shouted at Jimbe before attacking Akainu. He has more than enough time to realize he was about to get attacked by WB commanders.

If Akainu's Haki was greater than or equal to Shanks' Haki, then yeah it's possible. But I highly doubt that's the case.

Not happening. It is possible only when the difference is considerably big not when they are about equal or nearly on the same level.

 

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Being surprised =/= Not being able to defend in time. So, this is not going to help you here. Akainu tanking their hits with 0 damage clearly proves that he was using haki as a defence. They are not some random fodders to think that their haki turned into 0 just because their saw their friends death.




Marco shouted at Jimbe before attacking Akainu. He has more than enough time to realize he was about to get attacked by WB commanders.




Not happening. It is possible only when the difference is considerably big not when they are about equal or nearly on the same level.

No, that's kind of exactly what it means. Akainu was surprised by the blow while it was striking him. He wasn't surprised by their attack when he saw it coming, he was surprised by their attack while it was already making contact. So yeah, pretty unlikely he had Haki prepared.

Not necessarily. Someone yelling at Jinbei could be any fodder pirate simply telling Jinbei to get down in order to avoid being attacked. Hearing "Jinbei get down!" while he's attacking Jinbei isn't gonna send "Oh I'm being attacked" to Akainu's head right away.

Says you.

 

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The attack used by fuji on zoro had lower AOE than the attack used against normal thugs in the bar, yet zoro was bleeding, why zoro fans pull out of their ass that it was a good feat, the horizontal gravity used by fuji on Sabo was a attack worth calling serious, yet fuji didnt have any killing intent against Sabo, so yeah of course killing intent or getting serious affects in ones attack, unless u care to explain me otherwise.

So, what if it was used on fodders? Does that point helps you to prove that it wasn't a strong attack? Seriously? Lol

I don't get this logic, please tell me how that would make that attack weaker? O_O

Luffy may be an idiot, but he becomes an genius when fighting, we saw how easy he was able to understand that water works on crocodile, or how he was able to find a way to bypass Enel's COO, or vs Caesar, oh and Luffy > Sanji, Zoro.

In all those cases he witnessed their powers before coming up with those ideas. Even Caesar defeated him when he fought him with 0 knowledge. Yet he countered Joker for the very first time.

 

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So, what if it was used on fodders? Does that point helps you to prove that it wasn't a strong attack? Seriously? Lol

I don't get this logic, please tell me how that would make that attack weaker? O_O







In all those cases he witnessed their powers before coming up with those ideas. Even Caesar defeated him when he fought him with 0 knowledge. Yet he countered Joker for the very first time.

o rlly

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