all I'm saying is yeah he worked hard but he would have never gotten the power to fight madara and kaguya if he hadn't been the reincarnation of asura I would have liked it better if the sage of six paths saw naruto give it his all on the battlefield and than grant naruto the power because he saw naruto had a good heart and the right resovle sasuke has earned nothing he didn't do all the good things naruto has done but he still was given power I just think I was a cheap way to keep sasuke on naruto's level so they can fight later
why naruto has become a horrible character ever since he got his new powers..spoilers
- Thread starter mishoa
- Start date
you are making weird assumptions never anywhere in the manga did it say that the reincarnations were decided by asura and indra that doesn't even make any sense a reincarnation by definition is when you die you get reborn into someone else its not reincarnation if your a spirit that sees a person growing up and than decide to give them your power they are randomly put in the decendents of asura and indra and that helps shape who that person is naruto is only like that because he is asura's reincarnation are you really trying to tell me asura watched naruto grow up and at some random point went into him? at least my opinion makes sense
Tennis Robot
Active member
Awards
Yeah I'm sorry I'm inarticulate
Hagoromo explained something like what the other guy was saying though. Ashura and Indra had more 'reincarnations' (I know it's not the right word but idk what else to say...transmigrants? lol) other than Hashi/Madara and Naruto/Sasuke, but they were unable to reach that level. Or something like that. Idk I'm really sorry I'm not thinking very well right now :/
yeah i gess your right but you have to realize that he worked hard to gain all that power and besides naruto is still the dumb one and wont be considered a genius just a hardwork as it was stated many times that he wasnt talented
please shut your mouth you have no idea what your talking about the only power up naruto earned was sage mode you cant count learning how to control the 9 tails because that at birth was GIVEN to him in the first place last time I checked being a baby you haven't done anything to earn having this huge amount of chakra that later in life you can learn to master and his current power up was given to him because he was born asura's reincarnation so......
You must be registered for see links
which is something that could only have been discerned by watching Naruto.Even without that, the textbook definition of 'reincarnation' went flying out the window the moment naruto, sasuke, madara and hashirama's souls were shown to all exist at the same time. That's the reason why I put quotation marks around the word when I use it since Kishi crapped all over the traditional definition of the word since reincarnation is one soul inhabiting a new body which is impossible since Hashirama's soul isn't Naruto's soul. Plus, Hashirama died long before Naruto was born, so where exactly was Asura during the period between Hashi's death and Naruto's birth? He must have been lingering in the world somewhere outside of a human host which means he is able to observe and decide who he reincarnates into. Same with indra.
yeah he has earned alot like sage mode and learning to control the 9 tails (with help) and I respect that its just the whole reincarnation thing bugs me it makes it seem like just cause asura had no talent and worked his way up that means naruto was destined to do the same like I said before I with the sage would have just seen naruto and given him the power cause he thought he was the person who earned it and sasuke should have never been given a boost it doesn't make any sense
no I understand your points and to some degree I agree with you I'm just saying the whole reincarnation concept should have never been introduced it should have been handled another way I really think the author just needed a way to tie everything together and rushed a littleYeah I'm sorry I'm inarticulate
I went back to the chapter where they explain it and nowhere does it say that they wait and see who would be best for them and your point is negated by the fact that indra chose sasuke. Asura and indra fought over their conflicting ideals(and black zetsu instigating) and so did hashirama and madara but naruto and sasuke have no reason to fight each other up until like a third of the way into part two did sasuke learns that the leaf villege made his brother do horrible things and this made sasuke want to destroy it but decides later he wants to change it so nothing like that happens again so asura chose naruto because of his resolve and indra chose sasuke for what? your idea that the chose them doesn't make any sense in sasuke's case
yeah, the manga doesn't literally use the words 'they waited to see who would be best for them' but that doesn't mean that they didn't as the scan clearly shows Asura decided to possess naruto because of naruto's character traits which is something that can only be done after observing naruto. Until you contest that, then my point stands strong and you'd be conceding it: that asura chose naruto based on naruto's character traits that he observed.
Wait, so are you asserting that Naruto and Sasuke won't have a final fight because of their difference in ideology?
Asura chose naruto for many reasons, like naruto being born without talent and then gaining power through the bonds he has with comrades as well as his character traits. Indra probably chose Sasuke for a similar reason, being alone, wanting to accomplish everything on his own, and actually becoming strong in that way, and an ancestor of the clan, similar doujutsu.
TrollingSage
Active member
Reincarnation in Naruto is a different concept. The manga shows Ashura and Indra's chakra's possessing and clinging to their transmigrants body like ghosts possessing people. Normally reincarnations have past memories. Naruto, Sasuke Hashirama, Madara don't.
After the fight with naruto Neji wasn't sure if destiny was decided or not
Narut never said anything about overcoming destiny he told neji to not decide people's destiny
You must be registered for see links
Narut never said anything about overcoming destiny he told neji to not decide people's destiny
You have to remember that Indra and Ashura's reincarnations are fated to fight each other and one of them kills the other, these power ups aren't part of their fate or destiny.
Its the Sage's attempt to rewrite their fate, so really they are trying to change their fate, Naruto is the child of prophecy but Sasuke was fated to be his mortal enemy, now they will probably fight but they can change their fate so that they both can live and work together and become friends again unlike the other reincarnations.
The power ups, were the Sage's attempt at changing their fate, he split the power so that they would work together, so really they are choosing the destiny they want rather then following the Ashura and Indra fate.
Its the Sage's attempt to rewrite their fate, so really they are trying to change their fate, Naruto is the child of prophecy but Sasuke was fated to be his mortal enemy, now they will probably fight but they can change their fate so that they both can live and work together and become friends again unlike the other reincarnations.
The power ups, were the Sage's attempt at changing their fate, he split the power so that they would work together, so really they are choosing the destiny they want rather then following the Ashura and Indra fate.
