Why Nagato is superior to Itachi

[pateuvasiliu]

Learn to spell before you call me an idiot.

>american
>probably only knows english and 2 sentences in spanish
>expects others to know english on an anime forum
>criticises others for not knowing english

'Murica.

 

[enditallsin]

Learn to spell before you call me an idiot.

Lol dumbass im only spelling like that because if i say the words that i really want to call your ass right now than they'll be filtered out,and i want you to know what im calling you,and btw im not the only one in this thread that thinks you're a idiot.

 

[Murasame]

Lol dumbass im only spelling like that because if i say the words that i really want to call your ass right now than they'll be filtered out,and i want you to know what im calling you,and btw im not the only one in this thread that thinks you're a idiot.

Ok two people besides you. And they're only saying that because they're butt hurt over over my opinion. I'm not even raging at them for expressing theirs but your taking it up the butt too much. Unlike you they at least bring up valid points unlike you whose spouting bullshit like Itachi was scared or that he was hiding when it was neither shown or stated to be true. Those are just assumptions and if they were true he would ran away from the battlefield and let naruto and bee die. And OK even if they are filtered out I'll still know what you're saying I'm not 5 years old. If anyone is the idiot it's you.

 

[BigBlade Master]

Nagato is stronger than Itachi but this is not the good reason.

 

[Murasame]

>american
>probably only knows english and 2 sentences in spanish
>expects others to know english on an anime forum
>criticises others for not knowing english

'Murica.

I know spanish and english and I'm only criticizing this guy because he's stupid. And yeah I expect him to know english how else would I communicate with him? I never said he had to know advance english

 

[Gold Lightning]

The 6 paths of Pain abilities are too much for Itachi. This is the Sage of Six Paths abilities we are talking about here.

Itachi will give Nagato a run for his money though.

 

[Murasame]

Nagato didn't counter it right away with a Shinra Tensei or the Preta Path until Kabuto made him do it, since he automatically was "disabled", if you will, as happens to Edo's when they get hurt by an attack.

An alive Nagato could easily counter it simply by Shinra Tensei or the Preta Path, and if you deny that, you are clearly biased.

I have yet to see you bring anything up on Itachi beating him other than Amaterasu, but answer this, how does Itachi counter..

1) The Gedo Mazo
2) The Chibaku Tensei
3) Chou Shinra Tensei

If it was an alive Nagato he would be dead.. he had a weak fragile body and that was quite a drop from the bird summon to the ground.. Its speculation but what if he died from impact? Even if he didnt the amaterasu still burned parts of his body away.. I dont deny that Nagato can counter amaterasu but is he fast enough to react? Its just like if I pointed a gun at you. You know I'm going to shoot but are you fast enough to dodge or react? No. Nagato has very powerful sensory abilities as stated in the manga but he never had the time to react to Itachi when he came in to save naruto and bee.. he lost his arm in the process and was lucky to be an edo otherwise he wouldnt be able to use CT. After the CT was destroyed he should of sensed KCM Naruto Susanoo and killer bee in the smoke he didnt even see the Totsuka blade coming in even though it was a big object.. that shows how fast it is..
As For CT Yes once Nagato gets to use it he pretty much secures victory thats why Itachi has to finish him off before he uses it.. as Ive said before any of these top tier shinobi can win.
As for the Gedo Mazo I think either Susanoo or amaterasu should suffice.. if not then Itachi would have to kill Nagato before he summons it.
For the Chou Shinra Tensei Itachi can use Final Form Susanoo with Yata mirror to protect him and if his Susanoo breaks will he will still come out with Minimal damage if at all because the susanoo did it's job in protecting him. Nagato shouldnt be able to use the deva paths powers because of the chou shinra tensei he used. So he wouldnt be able to use those specific techniques for a while till it comes back but of course he still has all the other path's powers. It all just comes down to makes the first moves and mistakes and either can win in any given circumstance. Please dont be mad at me for sharing my opinion.. its childish when you have to rep - just because I shared my opinion... I wouldnt do that to anyone even if they disagreed with me only if they were a troll. I couldve just said been an Itachi fanboy/troll and say Itachi is a god therefore he wins or I couldve used the excuse the hardcore itachi fans used saying hashi admitted to itachi being a better shinobi than him. Trust me I hate them too.

 

[King-Panda]

Wow, I checked my threads, wasn't expecting this to have 74 posts, 1-5 more maximum, will read some of the replies

 

[Edo Odin]

If it was an alive Nagato he would be dead.. he had a weak fragile body and that was quite a drop from the bird summon to the ground.. Its speculation but what if he died from impact? Even if he didnt the amaterasu still burned parts of his body away.. I dont deny that Nagato can counter amaterasu but is he fast enough to react? Its just like if I pointed a gun at you. You know I'm going to shoot but are you fast enough to dodge or react? No. Nagato has very powerful sensory abilities as stated in the manga but he never had the time to react to Itachi when he came in to save naruto and bee.. he lost his arm in the process and was lucky to be an edo otherwise he wouldnt be able to use CT. After the CT was destroyed he should of sensed KCM Naruto Susanoo and killer bee in the smoke he didnt even see the Totsuka blade coming in even though it was a big object.. that shows how fast it is..
As For CT Yes once Nagato gets to use it he pretty much secures victory thats why Itachi has to finish him off before he uses it.. as Ive said before any of these top tier shinobi can win.
As for the Gedo Mazo I think either Susanoo or amaterasu should suffice.. if not then Itachi would have to kill Nagato before he summons it.
For the Chou Shinra Tensei Itachi can use Final Form Susanoo with Yata mirror to protect him and if his Susanoo breaks will he will still come out with Minimal damage if at all because the susanoo did it's job in protecting him. Nagato shouldnt be able to use the deva paths powers because of the chou shinra tensei he used. So he wouldnt be able to use those specific techniques for a while till it comes back but of course he still has all the other path's powers. It all just comes down to makes the first moves and mistakes and either can win in any given circumstance. Please dont be mad at me for sharing my opinion.. its childish when you have to rep - just because I shared my opinion... I wouldnt do that to anyone even if they disagreed with me only if they were a troll. I couldve just said been an Itachi fanboy/troll and say Itachi is a god therefore he wins or I couldve used the excuse the hardcore itachi fans used saying hashi admitted to itachi being a better shinobi than him. Trust me I hate them too.

First, I'm surprised. I had assumed that you were someone that wasn't able to come up with an argument, but apparently I was wrong. I'm impressed.

However, I must disagree, and I'll explain why:

Sure, if he'd fall and wouldn't be able to save himself, he would die, but however, for someone who can levitate, it shouldn't be a problem at all. [

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] Using this ability is exactly what Nagato would have done, if he hadn't been under the control of someone else, who wasn't familiar with all of the Rinnegan techniques and lacked experience in using it. Nagato himself wouldn't have been harmed by the fall if he was in control.

Another thing which you mustn't forget is the fact that Nagato wouldn't be too damaged even if Itachi hits him. He can sense it, meaning that he knows it's coming, and would simply be prepared to use the Shinra Tensei. Sure, the flames would hit him, but what damage would they do if he simply Shinra Tensei's them off a millisecond later ? Not much, especially when he could regenerate later on by absorbing Itachi's other attacks. Your example with the gun doesn't work, as the fire doesn't instantly disintegrate the opponent. The fire wouldn't do too much damage if it's removed almost instantly, and since Amaterasu takes a lot of toll on Itachi, he'd end up losing more than Nagato by using it. He also wouldn't have lost his arm if he had removed the Amaterasu instantly.

I should also add the fact that he didn't sense them inside the cloud due to him being completely under Kabuto's control.

And sure, obviously Itachi wouldn't be harmed by the Chibaku if he prevents Nagato from using it, but I honestly don't see that happening. A common misconception on this base is that the Chibaku takes a lot of time to charge up, but that's not true at all. You can see that Pein starts creating the Chibaku when in the air, and it has formed before he has even landed. [

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] So I don't really see Itachi preventing him from using it.

And if he Amaterasu's the Gedo, it might counter it, but don't forget Nagato's other summons. Overall he's got like 9 summons, along with Cerberus, who so far, hasn't shown any limits on how much he can split himself up. Itachi doesn't have the stamina to constantly use Amaterasu, especially not when Nagato can simply revive his summons.

The Chou Shinra Tensei would still do damage, even if he has his Susanoo up. The Susanoo is a great defense, but since a normal Shinra Tensei managed to break every single bone in a being as large and strong as Gamabunta, along with the other two toads. The damage received from a Chou Shinra Tensei would be even more severe, and even if he might survive, he'd still be heavily injured.

And the neg rep was due to the fact that aside from this comment, almost every single comment revolved around talking about things that happened in their last battle where Nagato was being controlled, even those things wouldn't happen in a fight where he isn't being controlled by someone else. It was nothing personal, and it was not simply due to you disagreeing with me. It was due to you not having really brought up any valid points supporting your opinion, while insulting other users for theirs.

 

[jay2512]

Nagato has more abilities than itachi, but itachi utilizes what he's given alot better than Nagato and in terms of character, itachi is superior.

 

[King-Panda]

Nagato with out rinegan is a crippled ginger who can move.

Itachi without shraingan is still a mobile genius

Nagato is a fodder without the Rinnegan.

Nagato is a fodder without Rinnegan?? There was a reason why Madara gave him the eyes, not just occasionally. He's a strong uzumaki, but we can't say how strong he would be because we don't know. Is like saying Itachi is also a fodder without sharingan... And let me repeat again, You can't tell how nagato would be without rinnegan

Nagato sucks shit

may I ask what do you suck, girl?

No Rinnegan techs, No Ninjutsu (Rinnegan gave him all the elements) He's immoblie.

he became immobile because of the rinnegan, otherwise he wouldn't face hanzo, and as I said again, there was a reason why Madara gave him the eyes, he's strong

Nagato will always be superior to itachi,the fact that he was able to even survive is because of plot, characters like itachi need to rely on plot to make up for the fact that their really not that strong just hyped,especially against truly powerful characters like nagato and kabuto,If anything itachi seemed more afraid to fight nagato by himself.

exactly as I said, just because the plot

Nagato had all this time to react to Amaterasu, why would he stop himself from getting hit when he knows he is the enemy in this situation? Stop talking out of your ass and reread the manga so you don't look like a retard.

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You have failed to counter how he stops CT, Gedo Mazo, and multiple Animal Path summons. Until you do these things then you have no argument.

I called you a fanboy because you are one and we all know it.

Plot, shinra tensei blocks amaterasu

It doesnt matter whether Nagato knew he was the enemy or not. He was on auto pilot and was set to react and counter with any appropiate method. You only convinced me even more that I was right by showing me the pages. Itachi used amaterasu on the dog summon then itachi looked back at nagato and Nagato had enough time to ask him questions and enough time to realize that he broke out of edo tensei. Nagato had no control of his body all he could is talk and give tips but besides that he was set to counter anything and he wasnt fast enough to react. Your right he has no counter to CT and Nagato would win if he got to use. But what I'm saying is that Itachi since he knows about CT will try to end the fight quick before it got to that point. As for the summons he can either use susanoo or amaterasu to take them out.. Same goes for Gedo Mazo. If I'm a fanboy I'd say Itachi is the strongest and can never lose. Dont make assumptions about me. I know many people can beat Itachi0

again, plot

Nagato has more abilities than itachi, but itachi utilizes what he's given alot better than Nagato and in terms of character, itachi is superior.

superior in terms of shinobi will (the inside). Not strong in terms in shinobi fight

 

[King-Panda]

If it was an alive Nagato he would be dead.. he had a weak fragile body and that was quite a drop from the bird summon to the ground.. Its speculation but what if he died from impact? Even if he didnt the amaterasu still burned parts of his body away.. I dont deny that Nagato can counter amaterasu but is he fast enough to react? Its just like if I pointed a gun at you. You know I'm going to shoot but are you fast enough to dodge or react? No. Nagato has very powerful sensory abilities as stated in the manga but he never had the time to react to Itachi when he came in to save naruto and bee.. he lost his arm in the process and was lucky to be an edo otherwise he wouldnt be able to use CT. After the CT was destroyed he should of sensed KCM Naruto Susanoo and killer bee in the smoke he didnt even see the Totsuka blade coming in even though it was a big object.. that shows how fast it is..
As For CT Yes once Nagato gets to use it he pretty much secures victory thats why Itachi has to finish him off before he uses it.. as Ive said before any of these top tier shinobi can win.
As for the Gedo Mazo I think either Susanoo or amaterasu should suffice.. if not then Itachi would have to kill Nagato before he summons it.
For the Chou Shinra Tensei Itachi can use Final Form Susanoo with Yata mirror to protect him and if his Susanoo breaks will he will still come out with Minimal damage if at all because the susanoo did it's job in protecting him. Nagato shouldnt be able to use the deva paths powers because of the chou shinra tensei he used. So he wouldnt be able to use those specific techniques for a while till it comes back but of course he still has all the other path's powers. It all just comes down to makes the first moves and mistakes and either can win in any given circumstance. Please dont be mad at me for sharing my opinion.. its childish when you have to rep - just because I shared my opinion... I wouldnt do that to anyone even if they disagreed with me only if they were a troll. I couldve just said been an Itachi fanboy/troll and say Itachi is a god therefore he wins or I couldve used the excuse the hardcore itachi fans used saying hashi admitted to itachi being a better shinobi than him. Trust me I hate them too.

Do you remember when Kakashi fought Pain? There's also other power people don't mention, kakashi was missing his hits because of the rinnegan, when he looked at them, he would feel weird and that. Amaterasu is a close combat technique, Nagato wouldn't let his guard down against a strong shinboi like itacih and would be very alert, and if he used amaterasu, he would use quickly shinra tensei. Your argument is invalid if you keep repeating that his body was in auto-pilot in shinra tensei, again, this is anime, it's the plot, anime is like movies, and again kishi just knew that itachi had to go to kabuto because he could stop him, so he gave itachi a win, otherwise noooo! A meteorite would break susano away, then the reverse shinra tensei to pull itachi, then nagato could use many jutsus to beat him, just had to throw a dice, see what jutsu number it would come out

 

[Murasame]

First, I'm surprised. I had assumed that you were someone that wasn't able to come up with an argument, but apparently I was wrong. I'm impressed.

However, I must disagree, and I'll explain why:

Sure, if he'd fall and wouldn't be able to save himself, he would die, but however, for someone who can levitate, it shouldn't be a problem at all. [

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] Using this ability is exactly what Nagato would have done, if he hadn't been under the control of someone else, who wasn't familiar with all of the Rinnegan techniques and lacked experience in using it. Nagato himself wouldn't have been harmed by the fall if he was in control.

Another thing which you mustn't forget is the fact that Nagato wouldn't be too damaged even if Itachi hits him. He can sense it, meaning that he knows it's coming, and would simply be prepared to use the Shinra Tensei. Sure, the flames would hit him, but what damage would they do if he simply Shinra Tensei's them off a millisecond later ? Not much, especially when he could regenerate later on by absorbing Itachi's other attacks. Your example with the gun doesn't work, as the fire doesn't instantly disintegrate the opponent. The fire wouldn't do too much damage if it's removed almost instantly, and since Amaterasu takes a lot of toll on Itachi, he'd end up losing more than Nagato by using it. He also wouldn't have lost his arm if he had removed the Amaterasu instantly.

I should also add the fact that he didn't sense them inside the cloud due to him being completely under Kabuto's control.

And sure, obviously Itachi wouldn't be harmed by the Chibaku if he prevents Nagato from using it, but I honestly don't see that happening. A common misconception on this base is that the Chibaku takes a lot of time to charge up, but that's not true at all. You can see that Pein starts creating the Chibaku when in the air, and it has formed before he has even landed. [

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] So I don't really see Itachi preventing him from using it.

And if he Amaterasu's the Gedo, it might counter it, but don't forget Nagato's other summons. Overall he's got like 9 summons, along with Cerberus, who so far, hasn't shown any limits on how much he can split himself up. Itachi doesn't have the stamina to constantly use Amaterasu, especially not when Nagato can simply revive his summons.

The Chou Shinra Tensei would still do damage, even if he has his Susanoo up. The Susanoo is a great defense, but since a normal Shinra Tensei managed to break every single bone in a being as large and strong as Gamabunta, along with the other two toads. The damage received from a Chou Shinra Tensei would be even more severe, and even if he might survive, he'd still be heavily injured.

And the neg rep was due to the fact that aside from this comment, almost every single comment revolved around talking about things that happened in their last battle where Nagato was being controlled, even those things wouldn't happen in a fight where he isn't being controlled by someone else. It was nothing personal, and it was not simply due to you disagreeing with me. It was due to you not having really brought up any valid points supporting your opinion, while insulting other users for theirs.

While it is true that Nagato can levitate himself you seem to forget that he wasn't fully controlled at that point yet so he shouldve done anything he can to save himself from the fall. Remember Edos that are on autopilot are set to react to attacks and counter with any appropriate method. Since he didn't we can safely assume that he died from that amaterasu due to having a weak fragile body.

Well that depends on which Nagato youre talking about.. besides the edo version Nagato ever since he summoned the Gedo Mazo has had a weak fragile body and just like I stated above if he got hit with Amaterasu he would die very quickly. Now if youre talking about Nagato in his prime body then I'd agree with you and may possibly use Shinra Tensei to push the flames off. But keep in mind when Sasuke used Amaterasu on the Samurai he collapsed in pain instantly and he had armor covering his body. Whose to say Nagato wouldnt do the same if he doesnt have any armor? I'll agree that my gun example was pretty bad for this argument xd

I agree the CT doesn't take much time to charge at all. I never denied that and if Nagato was able to use CT he would secure victory. But now that Itachi has knowledge I'd doubt he'd let Nagato do such a thing. Itachi is a very analytically smart fighter and he would waste no time in trying to finish this fight quickly. Itachi is known for finishing fights quickly Ex: Kakashi, Orochimaru twice, and Deidara. Amaterasu is almost instantaneous and should prevent him from using CT. Everyone also blames Kabuto for Nagato's loss and I disagree with that.. He made good use of Nagato's abilties for ex: He used summons to negate the fact that Nagato was immobile. He got a field of vision and can move around on summons. You would have to have good knowledge on the Rinnegan to do that. He used all his abilities to capture Naruto and Bee and if not for Itachi's interference they would surely be dead.. so Kabuto did a good job utilizing Nagato's abilities. Even if Nagato was in control of himself he wouldn't be able to react to the Totsuka blade.. Even when it was a big object it was way to fast for Nagato to see.This is where I shouldve use my gun example xd as Totsuka is a one shot technique. Keep in mind he's immobile too.

Now for the summonings.. Yes Gedo Mazo would most likely be countered by amaterasu as it harmed the Hachibi. Now Itachi doesnt have to use Amaterasu for every summoning as he took out two by just using kunai to hit their eyes. The only one he would really have to use it for is Cerberus. He can use Susanoo to take out the rest by using the Totsuka Blade or Yasaka Magatama. But this is only if Itachi just stands there and lets Nagato summon away.. knowing him he wouldnt let this fight drag on agasint a chakra freak like Nagato who could easily outlast him.

For the Chou Shinra Tensei its not as powerful as you think as many people survived it even if they had the Slugs to help.. If it is as powerful as everyone makes it seem it shouldve killed alot of people fairly quickly even with healing. Keep in mind that not everyone had a slug to help them out and they still survived.. If you use the building as an excuse then that means the buildings were strong enough to protect them therefore Susanoo should be able to tank it too. I'm sure that Itachi can defend himself with the full form of Susanoo along with the Yata Mirror which can extend itself around the susanoo to protect it. There's a thread about it but I just need to find it and get the link to show you. Even in the case that the Suanoo gets destroyed it will have done its job in protecting Itachi and in taking most of the damage. Kakashi and many other have been hit by a normal shinra tensei without having any bones broken.. Just keep in mind That Susanoo> Gambunta and the other summons in defense and durability. Also he should feel the same effect as Deva Path did after using that Large Shinra tensei and not be able to use those gravitational abilities of his which leaves him open for an amaterasu or a blitz from Itachi.
Nagato being a cripple really puts him at a disadvantage... Itachi should win but that doesnt mean Itachi win 10/10 Nagato can win too. If he was mobile it can go either way. I love Nagato and Itachi both.. they were both considered to be the strongest edos besides Madra. No matter what we say here this match up is always going to be an endless debate.

And why? They were just as guilty in insulting me.. I even said that they brought Valid points and I agreed that Nagato can defeat Itachi. It was just frustrating that they ignored what I said and made me restate what I said to counter them many times. They didnt even bother to acknowledge what I said when I acknowledged what they said.. Not cool man not cool..

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Alright go to that thread and youll see how susanoo will tank chou shinra tensei

 

[Murasame]

Do you remember when Kakashi fought Pain? There's also other power people don't mention, kakashi was missing his hits because of the rinnegan, when he looked at them, he would feel weird and that. Amaterasu is a close combat technique, Nagato wouldn't let his guard down against a strong shinboi like itacih and would be very alert, and if he used amaterasu, he would use quickly shinra tensei. Your argument is invalid if you keep repeating that his body was in auto-pilot in shinra tensei, again, this is anime, it's the plot, anime is like movies, and again kishi just knew that itachi had to go to kabuto because he could stop him, so he gave itachi a win, otherwise noooo! A meteorite would break susano away, then the reverse shinra tensei to pull itachi, then nagato could use many jutsus to beat him, just had to throw a dice, see what jutsu number it would come out

Read the Debate between me and -6 Paths- and you'll see all my counters.. I already have my hands full with him so I cant debate you.. its just to much.

 

[King-Panda]

Read the Debate between me and -6 Paths- and you'll see all my counters.. I already have my hands full with him so I cant debate you.. its just to much.

okay lol

 

[Murasame]

okay lol

Thanks for the Rep + and thanks for being respectful ^_^ I appreciate it.

 

[King-Panda]

Thanks for the Rep + and thanks for being respectful ^_^ I appreciate it.

you're welcome, and same for you. Not everyone here debate properly, but you do!