I would definitely say the same about Hashirama if he chose to fight cqc like Minato is.. The difference is Hashirama has Genjutsu feats and chakra strong enough to break out of Most Genjutsu.. Hashirama losing to genjutsu is highly unlikely for the reason stated. Same can't be said for Minato.
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Fanfic dumbass. Only Tobi and nagato are gedo mazou and he wanted to use Sasuke for it you retard.So where did Obito manipulate or summon the gedo statue. Obito and all the akatsuki members were synced with the gedo to help extract the bijjuu chakra from the jinchurikis. But based on your fanfic every akatsuki member could use and manipulate the gedo statue...
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And Tobi used the statue to extract the eight tails, only him and nagato knows the six path jutsus to activate the statue.
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You retarded moron, try again. Madara said only rinnegan users and uchiha and senju powered people can manipulate the statue, only a retarded moron such as yourself would say evey akatsuki member can manipulate the statue. Look at your fanfic here you desperate minatrd. Now that's sig worthy fuckery right there
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You stupid **** riding retarded minatard. Minato almost got warped when kushina and naruto were safe. He would've ended him right there with a gubai fan or a fuma shuriken if he actually tried. Even a mokuton to the face would've been over.
He's lucky the village saved his ass long enough to protect his son
More retarded stupid excuse. Kyubi hands minato the spanking of a life time. He can't do shit to the kyubi, the only fire power he has is a small rasengan and a toad summoning. And even that did nothing.
Naruto had his eyes open you idiot. You don't need to see when you are literally in the toads mouth with room for two people. That's a stupid scan when pain was only arms reach away. Sm users cannot fight with their eyes closed, you have to be a moron to think that.
Even Sm naruto needed the eyes of kcm naruto to find the rod so he can push it from the outside.
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Says the retarded that couldn't read or spell
Lmao 2017 and things never change uh? I thought it was already an established fact that Minato was tiers above him. Looks like i was wrong :hmm: Though it was somehow nostalgic coming here and seeing some familiar debaters, so keep going 
Anyone who thinks Minato is tiers above Itachi should leave and never come back. I understand some members who believe Minato is stronger, but very close.. like if Minato is a 9.0, Itachi is 8.95Lmao 2017 and things never change uh? I thought it was already an established fact that Minato was tiers above him. Looks like i was wrong :hmm: Though it was somehow nostalgic coming here and seeing some familiar debaters, so keep going
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You call that manipulation lol. Syncing other users and absorbing the bijuus out of the jinchurikis is all that a non rinnegan user can do.Fanfic dumbass. Only Tobi and nagato are gedo mazou and he wanted to use Sasuke for it you retard.
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And Tobi used the statue to extract the eight tails, only him and nagato knows the six path jutsus to activate the statue.
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This what manipulation of the gedou statue truly means...and only the one who possess rinnegan is able to control the statue to its full extent.
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And when the rinnegan is wielded by its original user, their control is even stronger...
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Your scans for control over the statue is just pathetic. And what's more stupid is that you think Obito could've actually summoned the gedou statue without the rinnegan 16 years back when he attacked Konoha and got rekt.
More BS from you. He got rekt mate. Stay in denial.
As I've already explained Minato wasn't aiming to fight Kurama and he was in a rush to end it without causing further damage and destruction. But I'll say it again, if you're curious about Minato vs Kyubi then post another thread in the VS section and discuss the subject in detail. I am sure there are a lot of member who'd share their opinions.
Ah more denial. What can you see in absolute darkness even if your eyes are open you f**king retard. And room for two people, this is how big Gamabunta is compared to a normal sized ninja..
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So a toad that big has only room to hold two people inside his mouth?....
Your lack of attention to details is showing up again.
Lol says the guy who can't even form a sentence correctly...
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Only Rinnegan users and Uchiha/senju users can do that. You're retarded if you think anybody can use the gedo statue
You're retarded. Tobi saying he needs to use the gedo mazou to steal gin and kin has nothing to do with manipulating the gedo to it's "full extent." That's just another fanfic bullshit coming out of your mouth, because even madara was manipulating the gedo without the rinnegan so this rubbish is nonsense.
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this is useless rambling and has nothing to do with why madara and tobi was able to manipulate the statue without the rinnegan.
You're retarded weak ass retort was so irrelevant that you still could not disprove the fact that Tobi and madara manipulated the statue without the use of the rinnegan. And you trying to oppose Madara's words if not kishi is just you being even more of an autistic retard on your part.
Manga said and showed them manipulate the statue. Manga>Every stupid fuckery you think or have to say.
He summons it and manipulates the statue just like the old madara did, and one shots him.
What ****ing retard says any akatsuki member can control the statue without the use of a rinnegan or uchiha/senju powers, that's sig worthy stupidity right there.
The fact that minato threw every jutsu he knew at him with the help of Hiruzen w/co. and still got killed. Mokuton kamaui combo kills this guy, he probably wouldn't need uchiha jutsus, black chakra weapons, or gedo to deal with him.
More BS from you. He got rekt mate. Stay in denial.
Rinnegan sees chakra even in the dark you fucking retard, and naruto had his eyes open the whole time, he knew where Pain was in the mouth.
Gamabunta it's is bigger than his tongue you dumbass. Why would you compare a tongue to the whole body of the frog you idiot?
So a toad that big has only room to hold two people inside his mouth?....
Your lack of attention to details is showing up again.
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You're incapable of reading or knowing how to spell, so this here is a wasted effort of hopeless rambling.Lol says the guy who can't even form a sentence correctly...
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Even a non rinnegan/non uchiha/non senju user could sync up with the gedo and help extract the bijuus and that's what I meant you moron. All of akatsuki was synced with the statue but their interaction was quite limited.Only Rinnegan users and Uchiha/senju users can do that. You're retarded if you think anybody can use the gedo statue
I wasn't talking about gin and kin dumbass. The scans were to show only Rinnegan users can summon the gedo statue unless you have scans to prove non rinnegan users too can summon the statue. Madara was able to summon the statue only when he awakened the rinnegan and after that he implanted the rinnegan to Nagato.
Madara himself confirms that he was able to summon only after awakening the Rinnegan. And ofc pay attention to what Zetsu has to say
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And his control over the gedo statue was limited after giving away his rinnegan but probably better than Obito due to him being an Indra transmigrant enhanced with Ashura transmigrants DNA. Obito on the other hand was just an uchiha with one Ashura transmigrants DNA. So again your claim that Obito coud've summoned the statue against Minato is just retarded.
Again that level of control is not what we're discussing here, you claimed Obito could've summoned the statue without rinnegan when he fought Minato and I just proved you wrong above. So stop with this non sense already.
It only took one rasengan from Minato to solo Obito's fodder ass. And Obito anyway attacked like a coward, by blackmailing Minato and putting his family and the village in danger and still Minato beat him in that distracted condition.
@Bold
....Pein disagrees...
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Again blabbering the same non sense as usual. How does one see in absolute darkness dumbass? And where did I talk about his tongue lol. Learn to read, I was talking about his mouth not tongue.
I agree, you've given me enough evidence of that about yourself lol.You're incapable of reading or knowing how to spell, so this here is a wasted effort of hopeless rambling.
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Lol, syncing doesn't mean controlling the statue but to be able to help in the process of extracting the bijuu from its jinchuriki host.
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Read the scans below, notice Obito's reply when Zetsu commented that Konan is not coming back.
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I provided those scans to show Rinnegan Obito summoning the statue and nothing more. Why the f**k would you bring in Gin and Kin into that dumbass. This another example of your failure to come up with correct responses. Go see a doctor douche-bag.
Says the guy who thinks 3T genjutsu one shots, Minato needs hand seals to perform FTG teleportation, Edo Tensei do not require hand seals, Izanami is MS tech and more of that BS interpretation...
Ah again your stupidity at work lol, if Obito was able to summon the statue with only sharingan then why did Zetsu say only two people Madara and Nagato can summon? Its just you fap Obito too much to even give powers he didn't have just like any other uchiha wanker.
Learn to read you dimwit, he said control not summon.
Yet we see Madara having much better control over the statue than Obito had.
Lol, you're too retarded. Hashi DNA enabled a non uchiha like Danzo to control multiple sharingan, allowed Obito to continue using his MS without going blind, allowed Madara to awaken the rinnegan by replicating hagoromo's chakra and its well known the more potent the chakra is the better is the control. But ofc you're too dimwitted to understand these things.
You debunked nothing..
with your fodder level reasoning skills.@Bold Is this the outside of Konoha. They were inside a cave you moron. But sure go ahead and prove that the extraction was done outside of Konoha.
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Minato soloed him in just two moves. Such ignorance.
Yeah, the same pein who was able to counter all of Naruto's visible attacks couldn't even counter one attack from Naruto inside Gamabunta's mouth. So fail again.
Already countered your stupidity above...
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Oh and the retard keeps failing in reading again. You do realize that syncing to the gedo mazou is for Sasuke to be used for rinne tensei? Participating in the ritual is not called syncing with the gedo mazo you moron
How about you read here.
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The whole point is to keep him from getting too powerful, doing the ritual doesn't make you powerful at all. All it does is take chakra from the members and give it to the caster to create 9 phantom dragon. Only people who can control the gedo mazou can use 9 phantom dragon to extract the beast, and now you're dumbass logic is saying kisame can use the dragon enslavement jutsu whenever he want without Pein or Tobi :lol
You dumb****, him using the statue to capture them has nothing to do with stronger usage of the gedo mazou is stronger. Go to school and learn to at least read on a third grade level.
>3 tomoe one-shots, minato has no way of breaking himself out of a ocular genjutsuSays the guy who thinks 3T genjutsu one shots, Minato needs hand seals to perform FTG teleportation, Edo Tensei do not require hand seals, Izanami is MS tech and more of that BS interpretation...
>Minato used seals for ftg
> Edo tensei did not use seals for old moves
>Ms was used by Itachi's mangekyo eye
So dumbass, nothing I said here was or is proven wrong. :sdo:
sharingan doesn't summon the gedo mazou stupid, it's the power of both uchiha and senju. Zetsu said Nagato was the only on in addition to summon the statue meaning he was added to the list. If madara and nagato are the only ones who can summon the statue, then that means you're saying that both old madara and nagato both have their own pairs of rinnegan on them.
Since only rinnegan users can summon the statue
Control is summoning it stupid. How else do you control a gedo statue huh? You already said kisame can control the statue now so this contradicting fuckery of yours is just stupif desperation.
Again, stfu with your stupid speculations. Bring me manga facts about Ashura and Indra having anything to do with gedoa mazou because this is just you being retarded all over again. Danzo using multiple sharingans because o senju cells is also irrelevant to the gedo mazou
You debunked nothing..
@Bold Is this the outside of Konoha. They were inside a cave you moron. But sure go ahead and prove that the extraction was done outside of Konoha.
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Look at your stupid reading skills you moron. This was nowhere near graveyard cave especially when they fought Hachibi in Kumo. This was done in the lighting country you idiot which is way outside konoha where pain fought naruto. Look...
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Tobi killed him in one move. Minato using summoning jutsu, rasengan, and ftg is not one move stupid.
Animal never countered any of Naruto's visible attacks stupid. He was behind with to send long range attacks (summoning) he's not used for close combat use only deva, preta, and asura path are.
Such fallacy and ignorance, you can't counter a post based on your stupid believes.Already countered your stupidity above...
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if minato eyes is closed, you're telling me when he opens them to refocus on the real itachi that he has the time to prevent genjutsu? Lol itachi had already shunshin himself towards minato during the explosive process. You cannot say it's wank when it explicitly shows same ways of sasuke doing it from even greater ranges. Reflexes dont mean shit if they don't focus on it. Cee had sensory and skill to counter genjutsu yet still failed. I never said that alone beats minato, because the combo would only work if minato is in a situation where he is focused on the offensive of the clone. If he were on the defensive he would be in no situation like that but that would only occur if minato felt he should do so which i doubt without intel.
"3t itachi"
Lol no, itachi still needs susanoo to protect himself.
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So what part says he intended Sasuke to be used for rinne tensei or even give him the rinnegan in the first place. Again your poor reading and comprehension skills are showing. I never even said anything about any of the akatsuki members being capable of using the Phantom Dragons Nine Consuming Seals but sure Keep pulling that BS fanfic from your ass lol.You must be registered for see images
Oh and the retard keeps failing in reading again. You do realize that syncing to the gedo mazou is for Sasuke to be used for rinne tensei? Participating in the ritual is not called syncing with the gedo mazo you moron
How about you read here.
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The whole point is to keep him from getting too powerful, doing the ritual doesn't make you powerful at all. All it does is take chakra from the members and give it to the caster to create 9 phantom dragon. Only people who can control the gedo mazou can use 9 phantom dragon to extract the beast, and now you're dumbass logic is saying kisame can use the dragon enslavement jutsu whenever he want without Pein or Tobi :lol
And again douchebag I wasn't talking about Obito capturing Gin and Kin..:lol
@Bold
How could fanfic be proven wrong...
The level of stupidity....:th:
Madara himself said he was able to summon the statue only after awakening the rinnegan. And when Zetsu made that comment Nagato hadn't even summoned the statue and Yahiko was still alive and yet Zetsu included Nagato but not Obito.
@Bold No you moron.
Same way Madara controlled before dying. Never said Kisame can control the statue, why are you lying lol.
Sadly if you knew how to read then you won't be asking proof for something so obvious. Your entire argument is irrelevant..
Give scans that say they were in a different location or shut up. Without rinnegan Obito can't summon the statue so no retardo.
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Tobi used one move to flee like a coward. Kamui.
Yup animal path couldn't counter any of Naruto's taijutsu attacks because animal path couldn't see in the dark. Rest of your post is irrelevant.
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Yes, stupid. He wanted to link Sasuke up to the statue to be used for rinne tensei, but if he becomes too strong they won't be able to use him for the revival. That's the whole point of syncing hims with gedo. Tobi and Nagato were both synced with gedo and after nagato died Tobi said he needed another pawn. He didn't need another konan for the ritual, an easy genjutsu manipulation can easily force her to do that instead of killing her after revealing the rinnegan.
You did say that akatsuki members can use phantom dragon seal after your dumbass just said that anybody in akatsuki can manipulate the statue
And again retard, neither was I. Learn to read fuckhead, I said Tobi using the statue to capture does not mean full utilization of the gedo.
Are you retarded? Did you just deny the fact that itachi's mangekyo was activated when he cast izanami and called it fanfic?@Bold
How could fanfic be proven wrong...
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Look how retarded you sound. Known of this makes sense right here.
1. Madara said the rinnegan unable him to break the seal to summon the statue, if not for him breaking that seal in the moon nobody would be able to summon it. After he gave his rinnegan to Nagato, he learned that his uchiha and senju powers were still able to manipulate the statue without the rinnegan. He said he can't control the statue without the rinnegan but uchiha/senju powers are the exception.
2. The bold part is just retarded garbage that doesn't make any coherent sense.
Yes you retard, control is to summon. He even said that you need the rinnegan to control the statue, he didn't say the word summon either.
You did say that kisame can control the statue.
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In order for you to absorb the biju the caster needs to use 9 phantom dragon seal. You just said that any non rinnegan/uchhiha-senju user in akatsuki can do it. You just said kisame can use members chakra to cast the phantom dragon to absorb a biju.
That is absolutely retarded. Only a rinnegan user or a uchiha-senju powered individual can cast the phantom dragon, the other ritual-people are only there to provide more chakra.
Exactly, take this L you fanfic dumbassSadly if you knew how to read then you won't be asking proof for something so obvious. Your entire argument is irrelevant..
Show me a scan of that location being the graveyard or shut the **** up, Madara said uchiha/senju powered people can use the statue Autistic Minatard.
Tobi killed his ass at the age of 14. Killed him like a *****.
Preta path couldn't counter any of naruto's taijutsu even in broad daylight you fucking retard :|. It's called sage mode stupid. Naruto literally knocked animal path down with frog kumite and attacked him with rasengan. The whole point was to separate animal path with the rest of the path, he can still se naruto's chakra in the dark you fucking idiot.
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So show me where he says that he intends to pass on the rinnegan to Sasuke...Yes, stupid. He wanted to link Sasuke up to the statue to be used for rinne tensei, but if he becomes too strong they won't be able to use him for the revival. That's the whole point of syncing hims with gedo. Tobi and Nagato were both synced with gedo and after nagato died Tobi said he needed another pawn. He didn't need another konan for the ritual, an easy genjutsu manipulation can easily force her to do that instead of killing her after revealing the rinnegan.
You did say that akatsuki members can use phantom dragon seal after your dumbass just said that anybody in akatsuki can manipulate the statue
its a must for rinne tensei right. I'll wait. Your interpretation of syncing is too narrow when Obito himself commented about syncing wrt other akatsuki members like Konan.Mind sharing the post where I said akatsuki members can use phantom dragon seal? If you can't then stop lying lol.
....I was strictly talking about Obito summoning the statue and thus again your response and explanation is irrelevant.Are you implying that Izanami is MS tech just because Itachi used it when his MS was activated? Why are you so scared to create a thread to discuss this subject in detail then?....:lol
@1. Learn to read. Don't bring in your fanfics into an actual debate.
@2. It doesn't make any sense cuz you're retarded bro and do not understand simple logic.
Bro cooldown, you've lost your mind.
Thanks for posting proof that you can't read.
I didn't say any such thing, stop lying and making things up bro.
You're retarded...xd
@Bold Nothing to disagree here
@the rest Then Obito wouldn't have worried about dwindling akatsuki numbers and Konan leaving considering he only needed those people for chakra....
Nah I don't deserve it...Exactly, take this L you fanfic dumbass
Why should I? You claimed that it isn't, the responsibility of proving the same falls on you.
Obito was busy running after being soloed by one attack lol.
Where did he used frog kumite against animal path inside Gamabunta's mouth? Scans please?
Rest of your post is fanfic again smh.
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I'll take the fanfic page in where Obito actually mentioned syncing konan with the gedo mazou because if I remember correctly he killed konan not forced her into the ritual. Plus linking to the statue does not mean participating in the ritual retardSo show me where he says that he intends to pass on the rinnegan to Sasuke...
Mind sharing the post where I said akatsuki members can use phantom dragon seal? If you can't then stop lying lol.
You're illiterate. That one instance of him using the gedo does not equal full utilization of the gedo
It's also implied that when Itachi uses amatersu his mangekyo sharingan is also activated. But since your retarded ass said that the bold part was fanfic, I'm sure you'll have a hard time understanding that too.
1. Rinnegan user Pain used phantom dragon to seal one tails. So you're retarded especially when you called this fanfic
2. Tobi who is uchiha/senju powered also used phantom dragon eight tails. So you're still retarded, especially when you implied that Kisame can activate phantom dragon without Tobi casting the signs for that jutsu.
Typical autistic comment. Madara said without the rinnegan the statue cannot be easily handled but since Tobi has senju cells attached to his other half he should be fine. In no way did madara say that "without the rinnegan the statue cannot be summoned..." It's just choice of words and you're being stupid about it. Even Minato never said that Tobi summoned the kyuubi, he said he maniuplated it. Which is a synonym word for control.
So why don't you screw your head in tight.
You mean the part with an non rinnegan and uchiha/senju user being able to sync up to the statue to preform biju extract? That part stupid? Well it confirms it. You would actually believe a room with just kisame, konan, and deidara would actually be able to activate the statue for 9 phantom seal dragon without the need of pain or even tobi the rinnegan/uchiha and senju powers of the group. Interesting
Thanks for posting proof that you can't read.
You just did you retard. It's underlined on the screenshot I just posted.
So the retard concedes? :| Because I remember you saying that any akatsuki member can use it.
That has nothing to do with syncing to the statue. Actual syncing is the process in which Madara, Tobi, and Nagato went through to connect to the gedo mazou. He wanted to use Sasuke for it but he was worried that he'll be too powerful. Using Sasuke in the ritual is not called syncing or linking with the statue stupid, he would absolutely want that from him because that doesn't make him any stronger or weaker.@the rest Then Obito wouldn't have worried about dwindling akatsuki numbers and Konan leaving considering he only needed those people for chakra....
Not up to you, you failed. :sdo:Nah I don't deserve it...
The burden of proof lies on the person who refuses to believe that the gedo was moved from somewhere around the cloud village all the way back to the graveyard via summoning. Otherwise you're using a discrete form of fallacy as a retort.
He saw a deadman and left, because a 14 year old kid the same age as part 1 naruto soloed him and the village had his help. Minato couldn't solo tobi even if his life depended on it. And we know how that one went.
When he knocked him on the ground retard. :|
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That's cuz Obtaining the location of Rinnegan from Konan took priority over loosing a pawn who was syced to the statue and Konan had left akatsuki anyway. That's common sense lol.I'll take the fanfic page in where Obito actually mentioned syncing konan with the gedo mazou because if I remember correctly he killed konan not forced her into the ritual. Plus linking to the statue does not mean participating in the ritual retard
Again its not just using the statue but summoning it and then using it. Stop dodging the question with your nonsense comments.
Alright, give me a definitive answer in simple yes or no. Is Izanami a MS technique or not?
Again you misunderstand as usual. You are simply too dumb to understand that manipulation of the statue could be at many levels with a Rinnegan user having the highest level of control. Anyone who paid attention to the manga throughout and to Madara's words can easily make that out but not a retard like you.
Keep blabbering that lie about me saying Kisam can activate the phantom dragon seal lol. And this whole argument started with you caliming Obito could've summoned the statue back when he fought Minato. Give a scan or proof that he could've have and we can end this discussion.
Madara also didn't say without the rinnegan the statue can be summoned either. So nothing more than a fanfic from a retarded fapboy.
That's what you're assuming I'd assume. I never said that so fail again lol.You mean the part with an non rinnegan and uchiha/senju user being able to sync up to the statue to preform biju extract? That part stupid? Well it confirms it. You would actually believe a room with just kisame, konan, and deidara would actually be able to activate the statue for 9 phantom seal dragon without the need of pain or even tobi the rinnegan/uchiha and senju powers of the group. Interesting
And again learn to read...xd
Then you need a brain check. I never said anything like that.
Care to prove what you say with scans or else its just fanfic as usual.
Keep trying....
So you agree that you have nothing to prove and all that you said was just fanfic lol.
Lol at you reading skills.
Look at the expression signs in scans retardo. He was clearly confused about Naruto's position. Again learn to read kid.
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Those kind of comments anyone can do them.
lol Why Itache loses...
Speed Blitz attack
Rasengan
Uzumaki Seals
Kurama attacks (Minato's abilities until he passed to Naruto)
Faster reflexes and reaction time proven with Raikage comparison and Databook
Databook and Manga unsurpassble strength.
Not even going to speak on his own FTG abilities
un·sur·pass·ble·
unable to be surpassed or exceeded, an unsurpassable legacy, unsurpassable skill.
How can Itachi beat unsurpassble?
Lol.