Why Minato LEGIT Defeats Itachi

[Amenotejikara]

Lol no it's hard to figure out your own student when he has half of Hashirama's chakra/body and Madara's chakra/ eye running through him.
And Kakashi's sharingan can all of a sudden see through clones? Lol.
The only reacting require for FTG is thinking/brain.. No physical movement is needed for reaction while using FTG after the kunai is spread.. again decent level ninja can use FTG effectively If they know the jutsu.

Lol. Which have defeated more opponents, exploding clones or genjutsu.
1. Exploding clones = 0
2. Genjutsu = thousands
Save the BS.

Your attempt to derail feints is laughable when mangafacts has shown it to succeed against even the highest of reflexes from Ay to rsm naruto all because of an intended even unintended distractions is effective. But no, you want to fanfic minato to be immune when his ass almost got caught by kamui. Unless you're so delusional to believe that the amount of time from obito grabbing minato to warping him in the process is faster than pointblank explosive.

"Which have defeated more opponents, exploding clones or genjutsu."

let's properly correct this question. "Which has led to more successful rates against kage lvls and sensors. Genjutsu or feints"


Genjutsu alone : barely any
Feints : too many to count
Genjutsu thanks to feints: plentiful

 

[DHOH]

He can't have great reaction speed because of Hiraishin, there is literally no causal relationship between them at all.

We're constantly told that Minato's physical reactions have to be up to snuff in order to use it. This is why we're told through Obito's eyes that Minato's natural speed is incredibly high which is cemented by C who compares him to Raikage. Yes, reactions are intrinsic to Hiraishin. You cannot use Hiraishin without having the proper reactions to use it appropriately.

I'm not following. To use hiraishin, the user literally doesn't need to do anything. No physical movement is required.

 

[DHOH]

Your attempt to derail feints is laughable when mangafacts has shown it to succeed against even the highest of reflexes from Ay to rsm naruto all because of an intended even unintended distractions is effective. But no, you want to fanfic minato to be immune when his ass almost got caught by kamui. Unless you're so delusional to believe that the amount of time from obito grabbing minato to warping him in the process is faster than pointblank explosive.

"Which have defeated more opponents, exploding clones or genjutsu."

let's properly correct this question. "Which has led to more successful rates against kage lvls and sensors. Genjutsu or feints"


Genjutsu alone : barely any
Feints : too many to count
Genjutsu thanks to feints: plentiful

Lol dude feints can be anything. You rambling about exploding clones.. I agree to disagree.

 

[Amenotejikara]

Lol dude feints can be anything. You rambling about exploding clones.. I agree to disagree.

doesnt matter what it is, the literal purpose of feints is to take away the full attention of a person and it's mangafact that it's successrate in this series is the highest of all strategies especially in combinations with clones or genjutsu. Both of which applies to itachi the most. Doesn't matter if ftg is instant, it's only as fast as minato reaction to mentally (manually) trigger it. Wait for minato cqc > explodes > minato attention lose full focus of itachi > then genjutsu > / react too late.

And i dont want to read shit it's improbable when even crow feint distracted kabuto (one of the best reflexes and sensors in NV) got his horn cut. And juugo explosion led sasuke to gen blitz a sensor ffs

- literally the only way this versus version of minato wins is doing nothing but spacetime dodge the entire fight without engaging in the battle. Manga minato would never do that especially without intel. Lol wank has got to stop

 

[NarutoX28]

I'm not following. To use hiraishin, the user literally doesn't need to do anything. No physical movement is required.

That's contingent upon the situation. In most situations, Minato requires his own natural speed to make use of it. In this situation that we've described, Minato still needs to mentally respond to Itachi pulling up the explosive bunshin. If there's no kunai around, he has to physically hurl a kunai before-hand. Either way, we're told that physical movement is required to initiate Hiraishin, not any fighter can make use of it without it.

Why else would Kishimoto highlight the enormity of Minato's natural speed and emphasize his reactions even compared to Raikage?

 

[DHOH]

That's contingent upon the situation. In most situations, Minato requires his own natural speed to make use of it. In this situation that we've described, Minato still needs to mentally respond to Itachi pulling up the explosive bunshin. If there's no kunai around, he has to physically hurl a kunai before-hand. Either way, we're told that physical movement is required to initiate Hiraishin, not any fighter can make use of it without

Why else would Kishimoto highlight the enormity of Minato's natural speed and emphasize his reactions even compared to Raikage?

Minato always has Kunai spread across the battlefield and Itachi has no way to get rid of them all..
Minato use Hiriashin a million times without moving so I have no ideal what you are talking about

 

[NarutoX28]

Minato always has Kunai spread across the battlefield and Itachi has no way to get rid of them all..
Minato use Hiriashin a million times without moving so I have no ideal what you are talking about

If Minato has kunai spread across the battle-field, then Minato has to have high enough reactions to do so even against Itachi who has some of the fastest techniques in the manga. This is precursory to Hiraishin, so it stands to reason that Minato needs high enough reactions in order to make use of it in the first place.

Regardless, Minato needs to process mental stimuli relatively quickly if he wants to evade an abrupt explosive clone appearing out of nowhere. This is common sense, something that shouldn't be contested.

 

[BLAZE]

Lmao obviously you don't understand how FTG works.. using FTG doesn't require any reaction through the body.

Yes it does when you are talking about striking someone

Using FTG doesn't require a single finger movement, activating a element or even a wink.. lol Your retarded if you think any decent shinobi couldn't be efficient with a just that requires the use to do literally nothing after spreading kunai.

you don't need to call others name when you were stupid enough to to compare Indra's Arrow to Susanoo Chidori Spear on regular basis :lol

There is no reason to compare Raikage's reaction to Minato [

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FTG equals reaction.If minato cannot mentally react to something he will get thrashed

 

[DHOH]

If Minato has kunai spread across the battle-field, then Minato has to have high enough reactions to do so even against Itachi who has some of the fastest techniques in the manga. This is precursory to Hiraishin, so it stands to reason that Minato needs high enough reactions in order to make use of it in the first place.

Regardless, Minato needs to process mental stimuli relatively quickly if he wants to evade an abrupt explosive clone appearing out of nowhere. This is common sense, something that shouldn't be contested.

And he does as he has shown over and over and over.

 

[DHOH]

Yes it does when you are talking about striking someone

you don't need to call others name when you were stupid enough to to compare Indra's Arrow to Susanoo Chidori Spear on regular basis :lol

There is no reason to compare Raikage's reaction to Minato [

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FTG equals reaction.If minato cannot mentally react to something he will get thrashed

lol obviously we are talking about dodging not striking.

Lol show me one scan of Susanoo use chidori spear lol.

What makes you think he can't react to something a character reacted to who is much slower than Minato?

 

[sasukeultimateninja]

-Amaterasu gets dodged
-Tsukyuomi gets dodged via not staring him in the eyes
-Susanoo gets stomped by sound genjutsu

Wat do?

Susano'o get stomped by sound genjutsu. Do you mean the sage frogs. Last time i checked, didn't minato tell kakashi that he can't use sage mode very well or even use it for a long period like jirayia and naruto. I don't think he will be able to use it. You also forget that itachi has the yamata shield that can deflect all attacks including the bijuu dama no matter the chakra type it uses, even yin and yang chakra types used in the creation of the bijuu dama and also he has the sealing sword. If minato goes into full kyuubi mode, itachi can use the sword to pierce and seal kurama out of minato just like he sealed nagato.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

What happened? Why not show the scans?

How about you look for yourself dumbass. Look what happened to Bee's tentacle right after naruto beat Pain, and ask yourself how did Bee's chakra get inside of the statue when pain just sacrificed himself.

You write all this garbage but you don't have any scans to show lol. Its just fanfic after fanfic from you retarded uchiha faps.

Says the retarded Minatard that can't find minato fighting Tobi without the help of the villagers you fanfic fuckhead. Solo my ass you fanfic moron.

And you're retarded to think that he doesn't lol. Anyway, never I never said that Minato would win for sure.

Quote of the day thinking that Minato himself stands a chance against the kyuubi you retard. All it took was one pinky finger, and your fanboy fapping ass thinks Minato stands a chance against the kyuubi one on one. Fucking retarded minatard.

@Bold Ah again misinterpreting my posts retardo. I said SM sensing can enable the user to fight without relying on their eyes countering any visual genjutsu that needs eye contact useless.
Izanami however doesn't need an eye contact and not everyone would fall victim to Izanami you moron. Read about the technique first before posting such non sense.

That's one of the most stupid thing I've ever read from you autistic minatard. What moron thinks sm fighters can fight without their eyes? Show me a scan of hashirama, naruto, or even minato fighting without their eyes you fanfic retard. Get that stupid shit out of here.

Then god help your patients lol.
Anyway you should give some of that treatment to your retarded friend here, it seems he's still not recovered from his butthurt....

Retarded member who can't read or spell coming at me with this stupid comment. You look stupid, more than you already did before if that's even possible.

 

[BLAZE]

lol obviously we are talking about dodging not striking.

Yes he needs to react to something to dodge it via FTG
if u give part 1 base naruto FTG he is not automatically dodging sasuke's strike when even his early part 2 self can't react to it [

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lol show me one scan of Susanoo use chidori spear lol.
What makes you think he can't react to something a character reacted to who is much slower than Minato?

learn to read what i said

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

How about you look for yourself dumbass. Look what happened to Bee's tentacle right after naruto beat Pain, and ask yourself how did Bee's chakra get inside of the statue when pain just sacrificed himself.

So where did Obito manipulate or summon the gedo statue. Obito and all the akatsuki members were synced with the gedo to help extract the bijjuu chakra from the jinchurikis. But based on your fanfic every akatsuki member could use and manipulate the gedo statue...

Says the retarded Minatard that can't find minato fighting Tobi without the help of the villagers you fanfic fuckhead. Solo my ass you fanfic moron.

Lol Minato would've rekt Obito the moment he appeared before him had Obito not hidden behind baby Naruto and Kushina and blackmailed Minato. You're such an ignorant retard.

Quote of the day thinking that Minato himself stands a chance against the kyuubi you retard. All it took was one pinky finger, and your fanboy fapping ass thinks Minato stands a chance against the kyuubi one on one. Fucking retarded minatard.

Nope you ignorant moron, Minato couldn't fight Kyubi because of the situation he was in. He needed to end the battle quickly and without letting the kyubi cause anymore destruction.

That's one of the most stupid thing I've ever read from you autistic minatard. What moron thinks sm fighters can fight without their eyes? Show me a scan of hashirama, naruto, or even minato fighting without their eyes you fanfic retard. Get that stupid shit out of here.

There was complete darkness inside gamabunta's mouth, even Pein couldn't figure out where Animal Path Pein was...Naruto relied just on his sensing here

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So here's....another L.

Retarded member who can't read or spell coming at me with this stupid comment. You look stupid, more than you already did before if that's even possible.

Anger is not good for you bro, your comments are getting more and more retarded.

 

[KidGamer65]

doesnt matter what it is, the literal purpose of feints is to take away the full attention of a person and it's mangafact that it's successrate in this series is the highest of all strategies especially in combinations with clones or genjutsu. Both of which applies to itachi the most. Doesn't matter if ftg is instant, it's only as fast as minato reaction to mentally (manually) trigger it. Wait for minato cqc > explodes > minato attention lose full focus of itachi > then genjutsu > / react too late.

And i dont want to read shit it's improbable when even crow feint distracted kabuto (one of the best reflexes and sensors in NV) got his horn cut. And juugo explosion led sasuke to gen blitz a sensor ffs

- literally the only way this versus version of minato wins is doing nothing but spacetime dodge the entire fight without engaging in the battle. Manga minato would never do that especially without intel. Lol wank has got to stop

Lmfao. How are you talking about wank when you are arguing that an exploding clone + Sharingan Genjutsu, basically 3-Tomoe, is all Itachi needs to defeat Minato. :lol Doesn't even make sense. An exploding clone isn't going to help him land Genjutsu, it will do the opposite as he can't make eye contact through the explosion nor will he be able to make eye contact after Minato has dodged it. Then we have the fact the exploding clone itself is fodder.


:lol Stop it.

Yea. FTG is instant. Worst case scenario is Minato walks away with very light burns..

With that being said, I still believe Itachi wins this battle.. Every single person Itachi fights ends up in a genjutsu.. Minato is no different..

Lmao what type of logic is this? Jesus, you guys man.....

 

[DHOH]

Lmfao. How are you talking about wank when you are arguing that an exploding clone + Sharingan Genjutsu, basically 3-Tomoe, is all Itachi needs to defeat Minato. :lol Doesn't even make sense. An exploding clone isn't going to help him land Genjutsu, it will do the opposite as he can't make eye contact through the explosion nor will he be able to make eye contact after Minato has dodged it. Then we have the fact the exploding clone itself is fodder.


:lol Stop it.



Lmao what type of logic is this? Jesus, you guys man.....

Alright KG be reasonable man. Itachi has three effective non eye contact Genjutsu in Izanami, KA and the finger genjutsu along with several effective eye contact genjutsu. Why would Minato be given immunity when all others failed?
What type of logic? It's fact.

 

[NarutoX28]

And he does as he has shown over and over and over.

He's done it over and over again against guys like Raikage because his reactions are some of the best among the Shinobi World. You cannot tell me that the constant emphasis placed on Minato's speed and reactions have no inherent meaning within the manga. We've seen him physically move in order to use Hiraishin against seasoned competitors and yet you're contesting that speed has no intrinsic value for Hiraishin?

Reflexes is the difference between Tobirama overcoming Juubito's speed and Minato getting blitzed completely. Even Hiraishin users can be blitzed if they don't have the reactions to respond to the situation.

 

[DHOH]

He's done it over and over again against guys like Raikage because his reactions are some of the best among the Shinobi World. You cannot tell me that the constant emphasis placed on Minato's speed and reactions have no inherent meaning within the manga. We've seen him physically move in order to use Hiraishin against seasoned competitors and yet you're contesting that speed has no intrinsic value for Hiraishin?

Reflexes is the difference between Tobirama overcoming Juubito's speed and Minato getting blitzed completely. Even Hiraishin users can be blitzed if they don't have the reactions to respond to the situation.

Agree to disagree. I'm done here.. that's why I hate vs threads.. the topic always gets derailed.

 

[KidGamer65]

Alright KG be reasonable man. Itachi has three effective non eye contact Genjutsu in Izanami, KA and the finger genjutsu along with several effective eye contact genjutsu. Why would Minato be given immunity when all others failed?
What type of logic? It's fact.

No, you be reasonable.

"Minato falls into Genjutsu because everyone else Itachi fought fell into Genjutsu"

:lol Would you say this for Hashirama? No, you wouldn't. So it's bad logic. Has Itachi ever fought Minato in the Manga? No, so what he's done to people who aren't Minato is irrelevant. :lol

 

[NarutoX28]

Agree to disagree. I'm done here.. that's why I hate vs threads.. the topic always gets derailed.

You're telling me that reactions aren't needed for Hiraishin even though the manga's profuse emphasis on Minato's natural speed and reactions would suggest otherwise. Your only argument is that Minato doesn't need reflexes for Hiraishin and Hiraishin is instantaneous, so he escapes Itachi's explosive bunshin. That reasoning is fallible because there are situations where the instantaneous Hiraishin had failed. Reactions are obviously key to using Hiraishin and you haven't provided any coherent reasoning contesting this.

Are you straight-up downplaying Minato's reflexes? If you're, then come right out and say it so then we don't need to discuss this any further.