Why Madara never did best Hashirama

[AlphaSeed]

The reason i believe Madara never bested Hashirama in battle was because as explained in this chapter, God divided yin and yang and their co-operation created the universe, meaning all things are parts of both yin and yang.

Hashirama being the perfect example of peace and humility, his heart is totally absent of hate so his power of Yang is complete. However Madara is not fully evil, and actually has a heart so his Yang isnt complete.

I beg to believe that in their many battles before the final one Hashirama only matched Madara to make him feel equal, in a way not to hurt his friend (we all do this when we compete with our friends we know we can beat)

I think this "quest" Madara went on now is to cultivate his hate LEVEL to the point where it matches Hashi's love LEVEL, hence his parting words in this manga was "i know the man you are Hashirama". Which had to be the reason he must leave because if he stayed he would still somewhat feel he had a brother (ironically Sasuke did the same thing)


Thoughts?

 

[Rigswattwa]

yah we all know Hashirama = Naruto and Sasuke =Madara (thier roles in manga)

 

[AlphaSeed]

yah we all know Hashirama = Naruto and Sasuke =Madara (thier roles in manga)

the thread said WHY Madara never bested Hashirama lol ....re read smh

 

[SageOfTheSixPathz]

most senju's are grantd with the sage's body

 

[pandu]

But this doesn't match the interpretation of Madara.He said that when two opposing forces co-operate peace will be achieved.How are love and hatred compatible????

 

[ShadowCloneJutsu]

Very interesting analysis! I hadn't thought of this before, but it sure does match up with the Yin and Yang theme. So basically Madara is trying to lead to world to peace by following his 'destiny' in a way. Hashirama is the equivalent of the 'Light', so Madara jumps into the abyss of darkness eh? I'm down with it.

 

[SilverDuck]

I believe that the point is that neither are superior, Uchiha and Senju. Rather, they are both necessary. Using yin yang as an example; There can't be love without hate. Their can't be be good without evil. I think the reason Madara has never bested Hashirama is because he never trully accepted and believed Hashirama's ideals. After seeing so much strife, war, and suffering. He wanted to truly believe in it as strongly as Hashirama, but he just couldn't. He wavered in his resolve. While his goals are identical to Hashirama's, he believes a more violent method is necessary to achieve it. Ultimately, he is the exact same as Hashi. His downfall comes from his lack on conviction. While Hashirama stands there talking about how peace will reign, and how perfect things will be, you see Madara doubting everything he says. His resolve in that method isn't as strong, so he isn't as strong.

 

[ShadowCloneJutsu]

But this doesn't match the interpretation of Madara.He said that when two opposing forces co-operate peace will be achieved.How are love and hatred compatible????

That is the almighty question, my friend. Ying and Yang are supposed to to be complementary forces, not opposing.. But this could be why Madara says 'There is another way to interpret it'

 

[edo tensai wilmaso]

nice take on it..totally seems plausible.

 

[muutobirama3rdraikagemizu]

Current Madara bests hashi

 

[naruto legend]

All uchihas have hearts its just that there sharingan corrupts them

 

[AlphaSeed]

But this doesn't match the interpretation of Madara.He said that when two opposing forces co-operate peace will be achieved.How are love and hatred compatible????

one must understand that they are 2 different things and their coming together makes peace (the leaf = universe)
get it now?

 

[AlphaSeed]

most senju's are grantd with the sage's body

i tend to go for the more real life lessons in the manga....

 

[The Western Wheel]

Agreed. Even Tobirama has more hate...

 

[pandu]

That is the almighty question, my friend. Ying and Yang are supposed to to be complementary forces, not opposing.. But this could be why Madara says 'There is another way to interpret it'

I guess this leaves us with the only probable answer that is, madara wanted to bring about peace through power.He should've deciphered the part where he knew that sharingan evolves into the rinnegan.So he planned on fighting hashi for the sole purpose of gathering his dna.After all he did say that theres a second interpretation for the tablet.What d'ya think???

 

[AlphaSeed]

Very interesting analysis! I hadn't thought of this before, but it sure does match up with the Yin and Yang theme. So basically Madara is trying to lead to world to peace by following his 'destiny' in a way. Hashirama is the equivalent of the 'Light', so Madara jumps into the abyss of darkness eh? I'm down with it.

yes, and thanks, but your on a bigger scope of what im saying, im bringing it down to why he never beat Hashi

 

[Ryr]

Hashirama being the perfect example of peace and humility, his heart is totally absent of hate so his power of Yang is complete. However Madara is not fully evil, and actually has a heart so his Yang isnt complete.

eh that's an interesting point of view.

 

[AlphaSeed]

I believe that the point is that neither are superior, Uchiha and Senju. Rather, they are both necessary. Using yin yang as an example; There can't be love without hate. Their can't be be good without evil. I think the reason Madara has never bested Hashirama is because he never trully accepted and believed Hashirama's ideals. After seeing so much strife, war, and suffering. He wanted to truly believe in it as strongly as Hashirama, but he just couldn't. He wavered in his resolve. While his goals are identical to Hashirama's, he believes a more violent method is necessary to achieve it. Ultimately, he is the exact same as Hashi. His downfall comes from his lack on conviction. While Hashirama stands there talking about how peace will reign, and how perfect things will be, you see Madara doubting everything he says. His resolve in that method isn't as strong, so he isn't as strong.

i agree with lots of what your saying but what im saying is if you look at in another way, Hashis powers are more attuned to the light and Madaras isnt that level of attuned to the dark because there IS good in him where as in Hashi there is no evil

 

[AlphaSeed]

Current Madara bests hashi

i dunno man ...Madara still kinda spared the Kages , he knows when someone is DEAD ya know?

 

[Wes Sine]

i can see your point